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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: US War Crime: Child Murder As 11 Die Reply with quote

The account of events is from Reuters and the local Iraqi police.
That makes it very hard to discount. This is not going to go away.


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Iraqis say US raid on home killed 11 family members

15 Mar 2006 17:12:09 GMT Reuters By Amer Amery

TIKRIT, Iraq, March 15 (Reuters) - Eleven members of an Iraqi family were killed in a U.S. raid on Wednesday, police and witnesses said. The U.S. military said two women and a child died during the bid to seize an al Qaeda militant from a house.

A senior Iraqi police officer said autopsies on the bodies, which included five children, showed each had been shot in the head. Community leaders said they were outraged at the killings and demanded an explanation from the U.S. military.

Television footage showed the bodies in the Tikrit morgue -- five children, two men and four women. Their wounds were not clear though one infant had a gaping head wound.

A freelance photographer later saw them being buried by weeping men in Ishaqi, the town 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad where the raid took place.

The U.S. military said in a statement its troops had attacked a house in Ishaqi early on Wednesday to capture a "foreign fighter facilitator for the al Qaeda in Iraq network".

"Troops were engaged by enemy fire as they approached the building," spokesman Major Tim Keefe said. "Coalition Forces returned fire utilising both air and ground assets.

"There was one enemy killed. Two women and one child were also killed in the firefight. The building ... (was) destroyed."

Keefe said the al Qaeda suspect had been captured and was being questioned.

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Major Ali Ahmed of the Ishaqi police said U.S. forces had landed on the roof of the house in the early hours and shot the 11 occupants, including the five children.

"After they left the house they blew it up," he said.

Another policeman, Colonel Farouq Hussein, said autopsies had been carried out at Tikrit hospital and found "all the victims had gunshot wounds to the head".

The bodies, their hands bound, had been dumped in one room before the house was destroyed, Hussein said. Police had found spent American-issue cartridges in the rubble.

"It's a clear and perfect crime without any doubt," he said.

Police in Salahaddin province, a heartland of the Sunni Arab insurgency and the home region of Saddam Hussein, have frequently criticised U.S. military tactics in the area.

Police officers said the U.S. military had asked for a meeting with local tribal leaders. The Joint Co-ordination Centre in Tikrit which coordinates between U.S. and Iraqi security forces said later the meeting would happen on Friday.

Ishaqi's town administrator, Rasheed Shather, said the town was shocked: "Everyone went to the funeral. We want the Americans to give us an explanation for this horrible crime."

Photographs of the funeral showed men crying as five children, who all looked under the age of five, were wrapped in blankets and then lined up in a row. One man who described himself as a relative said one was just seven months old.

"They killed these innocent children. Are these considered terrorists? Is a seven-month-old child a terrorist?" he said angrily, speaking close to the remains of the house.

Local teacher Faeq Nsaef was also outraged: ""An entire family was killed. It's a barbarian act."

In January a U.S. air strike on a house in Baiji, further north, killed several members of a family. In December U.S. fighter jets dropped two 500-pound bombs on a village, also in the region, killing 10 people. The U.S. military said the people targeted had been suspected of planting roadside bombs. (Additional reporting by Ghazwan al-Jibouri in Tikrit and Aseel Kami in Baghdad)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L15272267.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the average desensitized American was forced to see the flesh and blood consequences of this war everyday on the T.V,to hear the screams and wailing of those who lost a loved one(or their whole damn family) and had their lives shattered beyond repair,or the mangled and murdered soldiers,we wouldnt be over there,Im sure.
    Its evil and despicable enough to slaughter innocent people from a distance with bombs and artillery,but this sort of thing is horrible and sad beyond what words can describe.
    Who can justify such a barbaric act of cruelty?
As Americans,we not only pay for this with our taxes,we give our full support,the big thumbs up,whether we like it or not,because most of us are going about our daily lives and not doing a goddamn thing about it.
    Its all green lights ahead for the war machine to grind on,tearing apart the innocent and wicked alike,poisoning the land and water,condemning to misery and death scores of people yet to be born.
      That ribbon on your car just doesnt cut it,pal.
      You helped pay for the projectiles fired into the brains of children.
      You helped pay for the weapons that fired them.
      You helped pay for the training of the lost soul who pulled the trigger.
      The Functional Psycopaths running the show,the Global Elite,the whole crew,cant do what they do without our help.Or our apathy.
    The time is long overdue,everyone needs to put away the lame excuses and empty gestures and come to terms with what is going on.No matter which way you turn it or what light you shine on it,this war is a total disaster,a bloody disgrace on humanity.
      It must be stopped.
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    PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    unfortunately the Americans are too busy arguing about abortion and homosexuality to be bothered - otherwise they are glued to their fantasy TV programs like CSI and Supernatural.

    so who killed the 32 children?

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/57076

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    An independent investigation of the murder last week of 32 Iraqi children has been conducted by a local Iraqi news location (Mufakirat Al-Islam / Islamemo.cc) with results as follows:

    http://www.islammemo.cc/taqrer/one_news.asp?IDnews=457

    The writing is in Arabic, so I will translate some highlights for non-Arabic speakers:

    - All major Iraqi Resistance groups issued joint written communiqué that was distributed on Thursday proclaiming that this operation was not undertaken by any of the groups neither in terms of execution or planning or involvement.

    - Interview with local residents of the bombing stated that US forces cordoned off the street under the pretence that a vehicle (a KIA) parked in the street was wired to explode.

    - Local residents stated that the US soldiers began handing out candy and schoolbags attracting the children.

    - When residents, fearing for their children, asked about the KIA car , the US soldiers said that it was a 'false alarm' and that there was no bomb (but that a couple of US soldiers remained fiddling with the car).

    - Children from neighboring streets came upon hearing of the sweets and free bags (as well as a rumor that Pokemon toys were being given out).

    - After a period of about 15 minutes from them entering the street, the US forces dumped the remaining toys/sweets in a pile in the middle of the street and frantically drove off hitting 4 children in the process with their vehicle.

    - Seconds later, the KIA vehicle exploded killing 32 children and wounding about ten others who were gathered in the street.

    - Residents also reported that, contrary to what the US military stated, there were no US casualties or injuries from this blast as the US forces had rushed out of the street just before the explosion took place.

    - Information gathered from the Iraqi fire services stated that the explosion did not leave the signature traces of a TNT blast as used by the Resistance (being left over from Russian explosives used by the Iraqi army), as the TNT blast is always outward from the place of explosion and does not leave a crater as this car bomb did.

    In conclusion, the evidence and interviews revealed what was obvious from the very start...That this evil crime was perpetrated by occupation forces with the objective of murdering Iraqi children and blaming the national Resistance so as to lessen its base of support (sounds like Vietnam tactics all over again - Phoenix).

    May God grant peace to the dead, victory to the Resistance, and shame and retribution to the occupiers and their allies/supporters.



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    PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Fintan wrote: "The account of events is from Reuters and the local Iraqi police. That makes it very hard to discount. This is not going to go away."

    Have to say Fintan, are you joking?

    Call me "steven 'the cynic' snell", but give it 3 more days and that's the end of this weeks newscycle. This story will go the way of the recent 'Abu Gharaib' stuff, the Mosque bombings, White Phosphorous in Fallujah etc etc.

    Also wasn't a Reuter's cameraman killed by US forces?

    I don't think Bush will be taking Reuters questions on the topic at his news conference tonight anyway Sad

    Regards,
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    PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Former US secretary of state Colin Powell's ex-chief of staff, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, says the Iraq war could be "the greatest ineptitude of the history of America", despite having been instrumental in putting the case for invasion

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    TONY JONES: Well, as the chaos in Iraq continues, more and more former supporters of the war are reviewing their respective positions, including some of those involved in putting the case for invasion. Colonel Larry Wilkerson served in the US military for 31 years, seeing action in Vietnam and also spending time in Korea and Japan. In 1989,he began working for Colin Powell - a relationship which lasted 16 years, ending only when Powell stood down as US Secretary of State at the beginning of last year. By then, Colonel Wilkerson was Colin Powell's chief of staff and instrumental in preparing his testimony and speeches leading up to the invasion of Iraq three years ago. Colonel Wilkerson joins us now from the ABC's Washington studio. Larry Wilkerson, thanks for being there.

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON, FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TO COLIN POWELL: Good to be here.

    TONY JONES: Can I ask, when did you first come to the conclusion that the invasion of Iraq was the worst ineptitude in governance, decision-making and leadership in 50 years?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: Well, it took a great deal of study, both as an academic, looking back over the time period in which I was involved and also reviewing my notes and looking at things during that time period itself, that is the time period when I was involved. Let me just correct one thing - I'm not saying that the decision to go to war or the war itself in and of itself was an inept decision. What I'm saying is the aftermath, the lack of planning, the lack of post-invasion thought, even, was an ineptitude of the first order and possibly even the greatest ineptitude of the history of America.

    TONY JONES: You're a Vietnam veteran. Do you seriously think it is worse than Vietnam?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: I'm coming seriously to believe that the leadership that I saw and have studied since as an academic with regard to Vietnam, is being parallelled, if not exceeded, by the leadership, both uniformed and civilian, in this conflict and I pray to God that we don't have four or five more years of this before someone comes to the conclusion in the leadership that enough is enough and we do something to change the situation dramatically.

    TONY JONES: You have talked about a cabal influencing President Bush in his decision-making. Who's in that cabal, what do you mean by that?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: If you look at our Government structure since World War II, principally since the 1947 National Security Act set up the decision-making process and the national security structure that we have today, you can find during that 50-plus-year period many times when the statutory process was flummoxed, it was adumbrated and obscured and deviated from, choose your verb. We have had accumulations of power during that period, for example, that our founding fathers would find egregious. I only need cite one when Henry Kissinger was both National Security Adviser and Secretary of State to give you some idea of how this has happened in the past. Today, what we have is the most powerful Vice President in the history of the republic. We have a Vice President who has a staff that equates to the National Security Council staff, that is the statutory staff under the law. We have a Vice President who gets numerous bites at the apple, so to speak, with the President of the United States and who has inordinate and dramatic influence on the President of the United States, through not just his own demeanour and his own feelings and opinion but also through the enormous staff that he has that, as I said, is the equivalent of the statutory staff. So, while in the past we might have had accumulation of power in a man who was both Secretary of State and National Security Adviser - we might have had different concentrations of power during Iran Contra and so forth that led to failures - we now have a unique concentration of power and it is in the office of the Vice President and it is amplified by the fact that the office of the Vice President tends to depend largely on the Defence Department when it comes to advice and consent with regard to many of the most important national security decisions and that's what I call a cabal.

    TONY JONES: Let me take you back to just a little more than three years ago, when as Colin Powell's Chief of Staff you were tasked with gathering the intelligence from the CIA that he took to the UN Security Council on February 6th. Can you tell us, first of all, what sort of pressure was there to come up with the right sort of information to make that case for war?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: I actually - I was the head of the taskforce but Secretary Powell was the real head, Secretary Powell and DCI director of central intelligence George Tenet. I must tell you, in my view Secretary Powell did everything he could possibly to limit the, what I would call the "unsourced information", that is to say, non-intelligence community information that went in to that presentation, even though subsequently, as we all know now, a lot of that information proved to be false, especially the information dealing with stockpiles of biological and inactive nuclear program. When we started the process we were handed a script, essentially a 48-page script, on WMD from the White House and that was to be the secretary's presentation at the United Nations. We took the script out to the CIA and examined it thoroughly and found it to be unsourced in a way we could corroborate. We found it to be a Chinese menu of everything that could possibly be cherry-picked with regard to Iraq and WMD so within several hours, we discarded that and under the tutelage of the DCI, George Tenet, we reverted to and used exclusively the national intelligence estimate they had done in response to the Congress in October 2002. As everyone now knows, that turned out to be fallacious in a number of key areas, too, but at least we moved away from that cherry-pick script to the national intelligence estimate.

    TONY JONES: The national intelligence estimate, as you said, proved to be fallacious in quite a few areas, including a number of areas highlighted by Colin Powell before the UN Security Council, as he made the case for war to the entire world in a very sincere fashion. Does he now regret his involvement in making that speech?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: Well, you'd have to ask him that. I characterise it this the way - when I realised I was the taskforce leader, so I had six days and six nights and I had a taskforce that literally got no sleep in order to put this together. When we watched it at the UN Security Council I felt that it was a very ineffective presentation. So one of the things I talked about with my taskforce was, we don't really think this is a very effective presentation, so why is the press spinning this as an effective presentation? We answered our own question almost immediately. It was because the most trusted man in America, in terms of the national leadership, a man who had poll ratings as high as Mother Teresa's gave it and so the real affect of that presentation, the drama of that presentation, the credibility of that presentation was because of the man who gave it, Colin Powell. It was not because of the effectiveness of the presentation. We all agreed that the presentation was not very effective.

    TONY JONES: Do you think in what case that Colin Powell's international prestige was, in effect, used by people who wanted war at any cost?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: Well, that's a difficult question to answer because I would put people who wanted war at any cost in a different category from those at the pinnacle of our national leadership. And to say they had the power to use Colin Powell is to say a little bit much, I think. You're asking me was the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, were they using Colin Powell -

    TONY JONES: Actually, I'm not. In fact, I'm asking about the CIA because it was the CIA who provided the key intelligence, most of which proved to be wrong.

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: In that case, I'd have to tell you that I've come to believe that we have a tremendous problem in this country and we've not solved this problem with the restructuring that we've done with our intelligence community. In a word, we have a broken intelligence community and until we fix that and until we take the infrastructure, the institutions, the leadership and so forth and make it better, we're never going to have perfect intelligence, but we need to have at least a good intelligence community. We're going to be in trouble. We're going to be in trouble again and again and again and the intelligence failures over the last few years already create a legacy that's just daunting when you consider the fact that we are a superpower and we are the leader of the free world and we have such an inept intelligence community
    TONY JONES: Let me ask you this - the Vietnam War damaged the morale of the US military, of which you were a member for so many decades. It damaged the morale for decades and I'm wondering, do you think Iraq is likely to have the same damaging effect?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: I think, unquestionably. I'm hearing from lieutenants, captains, majors, generals, many in uniform, many of whom were my students in years passed when I taught at the nation's war colleges. I'm hearing from the civilians who were foreign service officers, civil service and so forth in our embassy in Baghdad and I can tell you that the morale in the uniformed military is being impacted and I can also tell you that our ground forces are stretched to the point where you hear talk about withdrawal from Iraq. Within 24 months, we're going to have to withdraw from Iraq, whether the situation there, politically, economically and so forth, is adequate or not because we've stretched our ground forces to the point of breaking. We have officers who are leaving the Army and the Marine Corps now because they don't want to do a third and possibly a fourth tour in Afghanistan or Iraq. We have people who are beginning to question their leaders, just as they did in Vietnam. We have families that are beginning to fall apart because of second and third tours in Iraq. This is a situation with which I am well familiar. The signs are there and the signs are available for anyone to see, which is what makes me consider Secretary Rumsfeld an inadequate Secretary of Defence at best because he doesn't seem to see those signs, or if he does, he's not doing anything about it.

    TONY JONES: We've just seen in the news tonight that the US military will conduct a criminal investigation into an alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians by US marines last November. Could we be seeing the same pattern of abuse that happened in Vietnam, where civilians were routinely seen as the enemy?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: Well, I don't know the details of that particular case but I can tell you that from what I'm hearing from lieutenants and captains, in particular, people who are actually on the ground confronting the enemy and confronting the Iraqis everyday, would lead me to believe that, yes, the answer to your question is when you get this kind of deterioration in morale and when you get this kind of endless deployment and you get this kind of tour after tour after tour and no light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak, then you do have a deterioration in the ability of leaders to compel their troops to follow the rules of war, the law of war and so forth and it does present leaders with a tremendous problem.

    TONY JONES: Now, you were, I believe, a Republican for many years, you worked with the Republican administration and the Republican secretary of state. Do you think the Republicans and the Republican President will end up paying the price, the political price, for this war?

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: Yes and I'm very concerned about that as a citizen. My mum wrote me a letter the other day and she said, "Son," - she's 86 years old - she said, "Son, please don't become a Democrat". And I told my mum, I called her and I said, "Mum, you know what? I want my party back. I don't want to become a Democrat. I want my party back." The Republican Party that I knew, that I grew up in, a moderate party, a party that believed in fiscal discipline, a party that believed in small government, a party that had genuine conservative values. This is not a conservative leadership. This is a radical leadership. I called them neo-Jacobins. They are radical. They're not conservative. They've stolen my party and I would like my party back.

    TONY JONES: Larry Wilkerson, once again, as with many articulate people, we'd quite like to speak to you for a lot longer. We have to leave you now. Perhaps you'll come back and join us on another occasion. We thank you for taking the time to talk to us tonight.

    COLONEL LARRY WILKERSON: Thank you for allowing me to.


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