CIA religions

[Damian Flynn]

If anyone would like to see the South Park episode on Scientology, there's a few links you can download from on this page http://xenu.net/
In my opinion, I would include the majority of Environmentalism, Animal Liberation, Dalai Lama, Jesus TV, Islamic Fundamentalism, and Extraterrestrial Life as CIA religions.
My flatmate was having a party last weekend. He used to work for Amnesty International, so most of his guests were from Amnesty, or Greenpeace, etc. One sad case was trying to explain to me that it really makes him depressed to look out at the city at night time, to see all those light bulbs on, putting carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. He told me he has learnt to manage his emotions on the issue, rofl. I tried to explain, that I think that the life of one child in Iraq is worth more than all the whales in all the oceans, but sadly, none of them could agree with me. I believe that the main purpose of these so called new age movements, is to devalue human life and promote the idea that human beings are a cancer or disease of Earth. Just have a look at the Dalai Lama's views on world population and population control, and his connections with the CIA and Hollywood actors.

[Janama]

[Jerry Fletcher]

Hey Damien -

I think I agree. Not to stir up another nametag sh*tstorm, but I see what you're getting at with the term 'CIA religions' and I like it.

The more I look at these 'institutions' they appear as parodies of maybe what once was a good idea - until they were 'hijacked' for their social audience and used to political effect or effectively disgraced and left as deformed gatekeepers shooing away effective activism.

Janama - I dont' think Damien is suggesting that being kind to the planet is a bad thing, just that the leadership of the supposed 'organized movement' toward this heroic goal is as ineffective as, well, the 911 truth parody.

I'm not gonna touch Baby vs. Whale, though.

[Damian Flynn]

Janama, I can understand your offence. The fact is that most people who get involved in these fronts have good intentions, but I believe they are controled from the top, and the proof is in the pudding. If you could have seen the warped attitude of these people at the party, who think they're saving the world, you might understand. I do believe it's wrong to hunt animals to extinction, or to be cruel, but that's not relevent. It's for our own benifit to have healthy well looked after farm animals, which will provide higher quality food. No one would die if all the whales died tomorrow. Sorry, I know many people love whales. I like whales too. I know it's a silly hyopothetical, but I'd blow out the brains of every whale if it ment saving one child. Just think for a moment about the animal cruelty stories, and the save the world stories that are pumped out by the TV every day. It might help you forget about how human beings are treating each other. The attention given by the TV to stories such as a sick whale in the Thames River, and the whales which were supposedly lost under the arctic ice cap a few years ago is sickening, considering that there are much more important issues which are deliberately being ignored by the media. This kind of propaganda results in children growing up thinking that they should save the world by saving the animals, and that we live in a new age of freedom and awareness, where human suffering is no longer an issue. I'd say, sure you can save the whales, but don't put it on TV until more urgent issues have been properly addressed.

[Janama]

Yes - my electricity bill is zero.

With regards Greenpeace - look - I no longer donate to Greenpeace when accosted by some young true believer in the street. That's because I believe that the organisation has simply become a stepping point for university environmentalist graduates to gain a cushy job working as an environmental supervisor for the big multinationals. Two years with Greenpeace looks good on the CV.

Damian - I can relate to your reaction to the true believers. They can be a pain in the A.

cheers
john

[Toto]

I would add PETA to this list. I use to think of them as radical and wonderfull now i think they are their to play the role of "nutty activists" or perhaps even terrorists... . I have no proof of this it is just an intutive thing.

[Fintan]

Janama, your electricity bill is ZERO!?

Nice! Could you tell us more about your solar power setup?

And what do you make of the solar panel breakthrough we reported?

[Janama]

Fintan - I live kilometers from the main grid high up in the rainforest - so mains connection would be very expensive.

I have around 660 watts of panels (10 x 60watt panels) plus a couple of 30 watt pannels. I have two sets of 200 amp/hour batteries for storage.

In direct sunlight it produces around 18amps of power at 24 volts (I'm on a 24 volt system as 24 volts can be distributed without loss over a longer distance than 12 volts - that's why large semitrailers are on 24 volts.

So on a sunny day I'd average 15amps for 6 hours or 90 amp/hours.

that means I can run 90 amps for one hour - or 1 amp for 90 hours.

amps x volts = watts

so 90 amps x 24 volts = 2160watts is my total input and usage.

This is boosted up to 240 volts AC via an inverter.

I use the power to run my laptop - around 3amps/hour, my stereo and TV (around 6amps each) and all my lighting. I also have a small washing machine.

I use the new fluoro bulbs (look like a normal incandecent bulb but is made from fluro coils. A 20 watt fluoro = 100 watt incandecent.

So I light my house with 5watt and 10 watt fluoro lights.

All my hot water is solar heated on the roof, my refrigeration and cooking is LPG gas.


That South African system looks very interesting as the main thing is to get the cost down. We are currently paying around $10/watt so a 60 watt panel is around $600. The largest panel available today is 165 watts and sells for around $1,600.

There is a new system released here called the SunCube, originally the sunball. It uses a lens system to concentrate the sun x 6 and focus it onto a solar cell as per the satellite solar panels. If you were to purchase a standard satellite panel the size of a normal panel it would cost around $100,000 as it's highly efficient and built to withstand the heat of direct sun in space. The suncube uses small pieces of this stuff , like 2" x 6" and in the same space as a 165watt panel the suncube will produce 330watts so they are very efficient yet sell for around the same price.

Fintan if you wish to contact Greg Watson the designer you can get him here:

Green and Gold Energy
Adelaide, South Australia
Australia
0408 843 089 (with-in Australia)
+61 408 843 089 (International)

greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au

I hope this helps.

cheers
john

[Damian Flynn]

It's funny you should mention the Pope and the like.
Getting back to this topic, it might be good to start with some historical analysis of the government and religions acting together. The following lectures suggest that government and religion has worked together in controling the people for centuries, and uses Christianity in Rome as an example. Religion is always a great way to manipulate the people, and it looks like the government has used it to have us commit genocide, first in Europe, then in the New World. In these lectures, genocide is defined by the culling of a population to managable levels, and destroying their culture and identity. The government of the time claimed they were justified because they are spreading the Gospel and saving souls.
Try listening to these first two of five lectures, from a North American aborigine’s point of view.

http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/annett_lecture_1.mp3
http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/annett_lecture_2.mp3

If you think they still don't cooperate in manipulating us to participate in genocide, think again. Do you think that the average priest, a few hundred years ago thought they were committing genocide, or that they were evil? I doubt it. Being a Christian means never having to say that you’re sorry.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

Did I hear someone say "save the whales"?
My question to Madeline would be "worth what"?
What did the sanctions achieve? It weakened and culled the Iraqi people, and provided opportuinties for powerful people to make more money without the Iraqi people having any chance for justice? The fact is that the sanctions were a great success and anyone who thinks otherwise is a true believer. By believer, I mean being faithful to television and church, and believing that we're on the side of good, and that the sanctions were just a horrible mistake. You'd have to be mental to think it was somehow a mistake, just like the priests who burnt people alive.
The most important thing you should be thinking, is what kind of a government, and what kind of society would allow this to happen without showing any real concern, and accept it as normal diplomacy.
If the government can manipulate our minds so much as to get away with genocide, what else are they doing to your mind?
How is it that Bill Clinton is not in jail?
If we are capable of standing for this, what else are we capable of?
The only reason that most people don't really care enough to do anything effective, is because they're not supposed to care. The government has all that under control with their religions, and other psyops. You don't have to look far to see that we are saturated with propaganda designed to make us beleive that we're the good guys who don't commit genocide.
Our society is so much more sofisticated today. Apart from old style religion, the government relies on education, Hollywood and TV to tell us what to think. Some people even rely on what politicians say directly.

[Jerry Fletcher]

[lackin'knowledge]

[dilbert_g]

I agree that Environmentalism is CIA, because some of the lead organizations were created or co-opted by the Rockefeller, Ford, etc. Foundation grant money. Some of it is greenwashing, some of it is land seizure.

I don't know about in Europe, but I suspect the same.

However concern for whales is not necessarily about "whales". The whale is a symbol. Lots of dead whales means the OCEAN is dying. Dead oceans could signal dead people, and lots of them. However, commercial fishing and industrial pollution is not stopping. Big Oil is not doing normal safety measures, the Exxon Valdez hung the captain out to dry, but the fact is the company deliberately killed simple safety procedures which would have prevented that disaster by containing the spill.

I read about the US army tossing Nerve Gas over ships, now it's leaking and kills fish instantly.

But the fake enviros seem make sure that environmentalism is marginalized and so big biz can continue using the ocean for a sewer.

The Iraq sanctions worked?

If you mean there was no reason to invade, yes. Saddam's past aggressions were programmed by the CIA and Washington --- and specifically by Joe Wilson and Gen. Scowcroft setting up the Kuwait invasion (look up Santa Fe Drilling). Three UN sanctions "oil for food" officials quit in protest, calling the sanctions genocidal. Hans Von Sponeck was one guy's name. Denis Halliday was the other that went public. The third, a woman, was less public, I read about her once.

I'm not down with the UN, but people who QUIT the UN and expose it as a velvet glove of the CIA's iron fist are cool with me.

[Damian Flynn]

Yes, when I say that the sanctions worked, I mean that it was genocidal by intention.
The U.N. is spook city. In my opinion, if we are to have a better world, the first thing which needs to be done is to disband the U.N. followed by a Nuremberg style trial. (I'm just wondering under what authority the trial could be conducted) I'm usually against killing and capital punnishment, but I wouldn't mind seeing Kofi Anan hanging at the end of a rope. If ever anyone deserved it, he certainly does, but I'd let his victims decide that.