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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scenario I fear most is an '06 shift of both houses to the Dems, followed by a Hillary (or pick your puppet) Dem president in '08. HEALTHCARE will be the avenue that completes the trip to complete control. Here's a chip for you, and one for you, and...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps the surprise is north korea? we're so tired of everyone in the mideast by now (ADHD). and kim's got real bullets in them nuclear bombs.
so now what?
does bush blow smoke up kim's ass or is this a good sell for the gop before november?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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October surprize accomplished... What's Next?


There are still many days left in October.
Wink

Hours ago...

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Associated Press
North Korea Says Nuclear Test Successful
By BURT HERMAN , 10.09.2006, 03:03 AM

North Korea said Monday it had performed its first nuclear weapons test, an underground explosion that defied international warnings but was hailed by the communist nation as a "great leap forward" for its people.

The reported test drew harsh rebuke from North Korea's neighbors. The U.N. Security Council was expected to discuss North Korea on Monday, and the United States and Japan were likely to press for a resolution imposing additional sanctions.

The U.S. Geological Survey said it had recorded a magnitude-4.2 seismic event in northeastern North Korea. Australia and South Korea also said there was seismic confirmation that pointed to a nuclear test. A top Russian military officer confirmed the device tested by North Korea was a nuclear weapon, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

However, Japan said it could not immediately confirm the test.

The test was equivalent to the force of 550 tons of TNT, a state-run South Korean geological institute said. That is relatively small compared to the atomic bomb the United States dropped on Hiroshima in 1945, which was equivalent to 12,500 tons of TNT.

Although North Korea has long claimed it had the capability to produce a bomb, the reported test, if confirmed, would be the first proof of its membership in a small club of nuclear-armed nations. It would dramatically alter the strategic balance of power in the Pacific region and seriously undermine global anti-proliferation efforts.

The test Monday morning came a day after the ninth anniversary of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's appointment as head of the Korean Workers' Party. Tuesday will be the 61st anniversary of the party's founding.

Condemnation of North Korea from world powers came swiftly after the test was announced.

"A North Korean nuclear test would constitute a provocative act in defiance of the will of the international community and of our call to refrain from actions that would aggravate tensions in Northeast Asia," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

"We expect the U.N. Security Council to take immediate actions to respond to this unprovoked act," he added. "The United States is closely monitoring the situation and reaffirms its commitment to protect and defend our allies in the region."

China, the North's closest ally, said Beijing "resolutely opposes" the test and hopes Pyongyang will return to the six-party nuclear disarmament talks.

Japan's top government spokesman said if confirmed, the North Korean test would post a serious threat to the stability in the region and a provocation.

South Korea's presidential spokesman said Seoul would "sternly respond" to the nuclear test and the Defense Ministry raised the military alert level.

The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the underground test was performed successfully and there was no dangerous radioactive leakage as a result.

This is "a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation," KCNA said.

"It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the ... people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," it said. "It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."

Russian military monitoring systems "detected the test of a nuclear weapon in North Korea," the ITAR-Tass news agency quoted Lt. Gen. Vladimir Verkhovtsev as saying.

"It is 100 percent (certain) that it was an underground nuclear explosion," the agency quoted Verkhovtsev, the head of a Defense Ministry department, as saying.


South Korean intelligence officials said the seismic wave had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency. It said the test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (9:36 p.m. EDT Sunday) in Hwaderi near Kilju city on the northeast coast, citing defense officials.

An official at South Korea's seismic monitoring center confirmed a tremor was felt at the time North Korea said it conducted the test and said it was not a natural occurrence. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition his name not be used, because he was not authorized to talk about the sensitive information to the media.

Australia also said there was seismic confirmation that North Korea conducted a nuclear test.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was skeptical as he arrived for a summit in South Korea.

"We must collect and analyze information to determine whether a test was actually held," he said.


South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun convened a meeting of security advisers, Yonhap reported, adding intelligence over the test had been exchanged among concerned countries. South and North Korea, which fought the 1950-53 Korean War, are divided by the world's most heavily armed border.

Kyodo News agency reported the Japanese government has set up a taskforce in response to reports of the test.

The North has refused for a year to attend six-party international talks aimed at persuading it to disarm. The country pulled out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 2003 after U.S. officials accused it of a secret nuclear program, allegedly violating an earlier nuclear pact between Washington and Pyongyang.

A U.N. Security Council resolution adopted in July after a series of North Korean missile launches imposed limited sanctions on North Korea and demanded that the reclusive communist nation suspend its ballistic missile program - a demand the North immediately rejected.

The resolution bans all U.N. member states from selling material or technology for missiles or weapons of mass destruction to North Korea - and it bans all countries from receiving missiles, banned weapons or technology from Pyongyang.

Impoverished and isolated North Korea has relied on foreign aid to feed its 23 million people since disclosing in the mid-1990s that its state-run farming system had collapsed following decades of mismanagement and the loss of Soviet subsidies.

Beijing is the North's main source of food and fuel aid, and is under intense U.S. pressure to use its leverage to get Pyongyang to return to the disarmament talks.

South Korea suspended a scheduled aid shipment to North Korea after the reported test. The South had scheduled to ship 4,000 tons of cement to the North on Tuesday, but decided to delay it Yonhap reported, quoting an unidentified Unification Ministry official.

The delayed shipment was part of emergency assistance that Seoul promised the North after the it was hit by massive floods in July. South Korea has said the one-time aid is separate from the regular humanitarian aid to the North it has halted since missile launches by the North in July.

Speculation over a possible North Korean test arose earlier this year after U.S. and Japanese reports cited suspicious activity at a suspected underground test site.

The North's warning last week that it would conduct a nuclear test sparked frantic diplomatic efforts to head it off.

Abe was meeting the leader of South Korea at a summit in Seoul on Monday to discuss how to resolve the nuclear impasse and repair soured ties between their countries. On Sunday, Abe met Chinese President Hu Jintao in Beijing, the first China-Japan summit in five years. The two Asian powers agreed to work together to persuade North Korea to call off the test and rejoin the six-nation talks.

South Korean and Chinese envoys to North Korean disarmament talks prepared Monday to confer on North Korea.

The repercussions of North Korea's announcement were also felt in the financial markets.

South Korean stocks plunged Monday following North Korea's announcement of the test. The South Korean won also fell sharply. The benchmark Korea Composite Stock Price Index, or Kospi, fell as much as 3.6 percent after the announcement but recovered some of the losses by the close of the trading session.

Markets in South Korea, the world's 10th-largest economy, have long been considered vulnerable to potential geopolitical risks emanating from the North.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/10/09/ap3075458.html



Oh boy... Lookie lookie... and the South is getting a focal figure in the UN... how convenient...

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A true diplomat

By B. J. Lee
Newsweek International

Oct. 16, 2006 issue - South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki Moon, 62, is almost certain to replace Kofi Annan as the next secretary-general of the United Nations. He should be formally approved by the 15-member Security Council this week and referred to the General Assembly later this month; his five-year term would begin in January. Coming from a small and divided country that joined the United Nations only 15 years ago, Ban has surprised the global diplomatic community by winning almost unanimous support from all different regions of the world. But he faces tough challenges, not least among them the Pyongyang regime, which last week threatened to test a nuclear device. Ban met with NEWSWEEK's B. J. Lee last week in Seoul to talk about North Korea and other pressing issues. Excerpts:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15175637/site/newsweek/

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to a mainstream guy today who told me he

HEARD ON DRUDGE

that N. Korea launched a nuke.
I told him how UNconcerned I was. How they have 2 and the US has 10,000. (He did not know we had 10,000, I told him about Ben and Jerry's web commercial with 10,000 BBs in a dog dish.) DPRK (NK) is NOT going to attack anyone. They swore they would fire back, if attacked.

I also told him about how a company in Europe (ABB was it?) sold DPRK the equipment for nuke reactors in the 90's and how Rumsfeld was on the board of that company. He was not skeptical of me. He's somewhat influential, a restaurant owner. Well, 1 down, 299,999,999 to go.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's very interesting, gary.. about the rumsfeld thing. ha. he's one of those super corporate managers with big bucks to show for it. suppose that qualified him for his current job, amongst the more implicating reasons.
however, this connection to him doesn't pre-empt a pre-emptive mindset or the building up of some useful emotions to play on voters, does it?

i mean, we pretty much realize every country's leaders suck one another's dick. especially pappa bush's (damn, nice floating cock they made for him in tribute)..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(damn, nice floating cock they made for him in tribute)


How big is yours?





By the way, this North Korea nuclear test coverage is not recent news. The North Koreans first detonated their nuclear device on September 9, 2004.

A large mushroom cloud appeared near the Chinese border on that day. It was reported in the mainstream media but the story was kept on ice:

http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0409/doc09.htm

That is, until an October Surprise was needed.

By the way, September 9 is the North Korean National Holiday. A few days after the successful test of September 9, 2004, China issued a quiet statement assuring their friendly intentions toward North Korea.

This is something you can do when you control the cycle of news: delay important news to use at important times.

Another perfect example was:



Remember Howard Dean was gaining anti-war traction until December of 2003 when Saddam was captured and campaigning George W. could appear in public like this:



Ah, but the "spider hole" photos clearly show dates on the palm trees:



Were there really dates on the trees in December? According to a date palm cultivation website:

"Harvesting in the northern hemisphere takes place at the end of summer and in the fall, starting at the end of July..."

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/y4360e/y4360e00.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting tid-bit... looks like there is a bunch of back-pedalling going on regarding the "size" of the device, and whether it was actually 'nuclear' in nature.

I've browsed many stories on this topic, and it seems there is another fracture happening... it seems the typical NeoCon etc pundits are SPLIT on either up-playing this test, or down-playing it. I think they, as a general group haven't got a clear message. In other words, they are NOT ON MESSAGE.

Another deliberate attempt at sabotage from within?

Another interesting graphic... (note the *Note at the bottom.. hahah)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: WHAT IS DIE WELT ANGLING FOR? Reply with quote

[Source: Die Welt/Asia Times/Liberty Post: 10/09/06]

Welt am Sonntag, the Sunday edition of the German daily Die Welt,
claims the al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has put out a call
to unleash another attack on the United States in the month of Ramadan,
which is now in progress. The threat, of course, gives the Bush-Cheney cabal and
the Republican Party a boost at a time when the chips are pretty much down for the gang.

Now, why is Die Welt interested to serve the Bush-Cheney interests?

It is evident from this German intelligence-linked newspaper's write-ups,
that it has "something" against Iran and Syria.

A look at its record shows carefully crafted deceptions.

On Sept. 14, 2004, it put out the "exclusive" that Syria
had tested chemical weapons on civilians in Sudan's western
Darfur region in June 2004, killing dozens of people.

In 2002, months after U.S. invaded Afghanistan and was
searching mountains and valleys to "catch" Osama bin Laden, Die
Welt put out the "story" that the much-dreaded bin Laden was
escorted out of Afghanistan with the help of Imad Mughnyeh, the
head of the intelligence services of the Iran-backed Lebanese Hezbollah.

Aug. 2, 2006. Iran and Syria show up again in another Die
Welt "story" on this date, when it said that the Iranians took
Osama bin Laden's 27-year-old son, Saad, to Syria, in order to
organize the Sunnis in Syria to work jointly with the Hezbollah
to organize attacks against Israel.

What is interesting, is that Die Welt always cites unnamed
"intelligence sources" to back up its "stories" to agitate the
Bush-Cheney cabal against Iran and Syria.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dave Lindorff: Iran Attack Looks More Likely as Eisenhower Carrier Group Sails for Iran Theater
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 3:45pm. Guest Contribution
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Dave Lindorff, co-author of "The Case for Impeachment"

BREAKING NEWS: Eisenhower Carrier Group Sails for Iran Theater

The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Eisenhower and its accompanying strike force of cruiser, destroyer and attack submarine slipped their moorings and headed off for the Persian Gulf region on Oct. 2, as I had predicted in a piece in The Nation magazine a few weeks back.

The Eisenhower strike force, according to my sources, is scheduled to arrive in the vicinity of Iran around October 21, at the same time as a second flotilla of minesweepers and other ships.

This build-up of naval power around the coast of Iran, according to some military sources, is in preparation for an air attack on Iran that would target not just Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities, but its entire military command and control system.

While such an attack could be expected to unleash a wave of military violence all over Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and elsewhere against American forces and interests and against oil wells, pipelines and loading vacilities, as well as a mining of the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, with a resulting skyrocketing of global oil prices, the real goal of this new war by the U.S. would be ensuring Republican control of the House and Senate.

It seems increasingly clear that the Republican Party is going to lose its grip on the House of Representatives, and that it may even lose control of the Senate, barring some dramatic October Surprise by the president. So far, the surprises have been working against Republicans, with the Foley sex scandal, the evidence that Abramoff's bribery reached right into the inner sanctum of the White House, and the deteriorating U.S. position in Iraq.

With the number of House seats reportedly "in play" now rising from 15 to 30 and now 50, President Bush is looking at the possibility of a blow out Nov. 7 that could see him facing a Democratic Congress bent on revenge for five six years of systematic abuse.

Bush has committed a long string of impeachable crimes against the Constitution, the Republic and the American people -- everything from lying to the Congress and the 9-11 Commission, obstructing an investigation into the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame, abuse of power, violation of federal laws like the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act, dereliction of duty and criminal negligence, and war crimes. He can expect a Democratic Congress to call him to account for at least some of these crimes, whatever House minority leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) may say today.

This means that the worse things look for Republican chances in November, the greater the likelihood that a desperate President Bush will order a disastrous attack on Iran -- one that would have the country enter into a third, even worse, war even as it is currently busy losing two others. But Bush and his gang of cronies don't care about initiating a disaster. They're focussed on the disaster that will hit them if they don't turn around the November election. Sacrificing the country or its young men and women in uniform, or the lives of innocent Iranians, is not a concern, any more than it was when Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq.

Clearly such a war would be an act of madness, and yet we know that the plans, already drawn up, are being updated and fine-tuned now by generals and admirals whose twisted sense of patriotism has them giving primary loyalty to a demented commander in chief instead of to the Constitutional and the people of the United States, to both of which they swore an oath to protect.

I hope I am wrong about all this, but the sailing of the Eisenhower, which had been pushed forward recently by about a month by the Pentagon for clearly political reasons, makes me think I'm right. A key will be what happens with the Enterprise carrier strike force, which has already been on station in the Arabian Sea for six months, where it has been launching air strikes against Afghanistan and Iraq targets. Ordinarily, such deployments last six months and then the carrier group returns to base for resupply and for R&R for the crew. If the Enterprise is held over for a longer deployment, after the arrival of the Eisenhower, we will know that something serious is planned.

What is deeply troubling here is the total silence on the part of the Democratic Party opposition. Not one Democrat in Congress, and as far as I know, not one Democratic candidate for Congress -- not even anti-war insurgent Ned Lamont in Connecticut -- has demanded an answer from Bush and the Pentagon for the obvious military buildup around Iran, or about published reports that the U.S. already has special forces in side Iran backing the terrorist organization MEK, and selecting targets for U.S. bombardment.

If and when the U.S. attacks Iran, leading to a predicable -- if temporary -- rallying around the flag by the American public, and to an upset win by incumbent Republican congressional candidates, Democrats will have only themselves to blame for the debacle.

But it will be the American people -- and especially the people of Iran -- who will be the victims of this treacherous deed and this treasonous failure of will.

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION


http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/461
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TIMELINE OF WAR GAMES (IRAN, RUSSIA, CHINA AND THEIR COALITION PARTNERS) (August -October 2006)

19 August 2006-- Iran: Zarbat-e Zolfaqar military exercises, in major regions of the country. These war games were slated to continue until late September.

24- 29 August: Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan (observer status) under the Collective Security Treaty Organization, (CSTO) The Rubezh-2006 exercise at the Kazak port city of Aktau .

24 August: China and Kazakhstan held under SCO auspices. Held simultaneously and in liaison with the CSTO war exercise in Kazakhstan.

22- 24 September: China and Tajikistan: first joint military exercise, code-named "Cooperation-2006".

27 September: Iran. Amphibious war game named Payambar-e A'zam [Great Prophet] staged in Esfahan. A number of battalions belonging to Brigade 1 of Imam Husayn Division 14 staged the Payambar-e A'zam war game in the Zayandeh River.

30 September: Russian Long Range Air War Games out of the Saratov Air Base, extending to the Far East, the Artic and the Russia-Alaska border. These war games prompted the scrambling of NORAD fighter planes.

30 September: Russia, Dagestan war games involving the 136th brigade, held at the Buynakskiy training ground

2 October Kyrgyz war games, Russian and Kyrgyz Special Forces.

4 October Russian Navy Exercises in the Black Sea near Georgia's coastline, in response to recent events in Georgia and following an economic embargo on Georgia imposed by Russia.

Sources: Press reports and wire services.

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SOURCE: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20061006&articleId=3407
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.iris.edu/news/special.htm (Silly page name! Get it while it's relevant!)
Magnitude 4.2 - NORTH KOREA
A light earthquake occurred 70 km (40 miles) N of Kimchaek, North Korea at 01:35:27 (UTC), October 9, 2006 (Oct 9 at 10:35:27 AM local time in N Korea). (source: USGS)




Ignore that trace at 01:37, that's one of Foley's emails, they've been showing up all week.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6244331
Have We Blown Up All the Foley Mines Yet?
NPR.org, October 10, 2006 It now appears there have been three Mark Foley landmines waiting to explode beneath the feet of congressional Republicans.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject: All in a day in a world gone mad. Reply with quote

* 10:36 PM EDT Sunday (Monday morning 10/9 in Korea) a small
nuclear device (Stratfor notes the "huge difference between a
nuclear device and a deployable nuclear weapon") was exploded in
a coal mine in North Korea, measuring 3.58 on the Richter scale.
North Korea notified China before the blast, and China notified
the U.S. Embassy in Beijing.

* 1:30 AM EDT, Monday, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow
called a press conference, announcing an emergency meeting at the
UN Security Council for 9:30 AM.

* A UNSC resolution called the test a "grave challenge" that
"violates international norms of disarmament and
non-proliferation, as well as the current international
moratorium on nuclear testing. It aggravates regional tensions in
and around the Korean Peninsula, and jeopardizes security both in
the region and beyond." Note that it broke no laws.

* John Bolton said after the UNSC meeting that the U.S. and
Japan are seeking a Chapter 7 resolution (allowing enforceable
sanctions). He may not have the support. Bolton boasted: "I was
very impressed by the unanimity of the Council on the need for a
strong and swift answer to what everyone agreed amounted to a
threat to international peace and security.... We're off to an
important start here so that in the message to North Korea and --
more important than the message -- the strong steps we feel the
council should take can be swiftly adopted."

*UNSC "experts level" meeting later on Monday.

* South Korean President Roh Moo Hyun called a National
Security Council meeting, which declared the test an "intolerable
provocation, and the government will respond sternly on the
principle that it is unacceptable for North Korea to possess
nuclear weapons." In a meeting with Japanese Prime Minister
Shinzo Abe, President Roh said: "It could be said that the
engagement policy has not been effective in resolving the North
Korea nuclear crisis."

* President Bush spoke with the leaders of Russia, China,
Japan, and South Korea. Bush and Bolton both called the test a
"threat to international peace and security," and a "provocative
act." Bush said the U.S. was "committed to diplomacy, and we will
continue to protect ourselves and our interests."

* Russia and China condemned the test and called for a
resumption of the six-party talks.

* Former South Korean President Kim Dae Jung said: "Even
former U.S President Ronald Reagan had a dialogue with the Soviet
Union, which he branded as an evil empire. I can hardly
understand why the U.S does not hold talks with North Korea."

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