Muslim Appearance (unconfirmed)
Victim could be a soldier (only so far admitted by French President) (unconfirmed)
Victim wearing a 'Help for Heroes T-shirt' (unconfirmed)
Shouts of '"Allahu Akbar" (unconfirmed)
Lord Reid says it 'looks like a terrorist attack'
its on BBC repeat cycle.. so these are the main themes..
but a 'terrorist attack'? really? can it technically be a terrorist attack on 1 person, which technically is a murder.. no? The media response is only making it a bigger thing..
Home Secretary under pressure from senior figures in all parties to strengthen police and security service powers after killing of off-duty soldier Lee Rigby.
'The Woolwich murder will be used by Theresa May, the Home Secretary, to revive plans for a “snoopers’ charter” allowing the police and the security services to monitor internet use, Conservative sources indicated. Mrs May was furious when Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, vetoed the inclusion of the contentious scheme in this month’s Queen’s Speech on the grounds that it was disproportionate and an invasion of privacy. She faces demands from senior figures in all parties to strengthen police and security service powers following Wednesday’s killing of an off-duty soldier.
David Cameron and Tory ministers insisted they would not rush into “knee-jerk” legislation while feelings were running high, but are now preparing to return to the scheme before the next election.
The move would provoke a fierce Coalition row as the Liberal Democrats are strongly opposed to the planned Communications Data Bill, which is currently on ice.
The attack is now being described as a "lone wolf" incident
--just like last month's "lone wolf" attack in Boston.
Curious. Within weeks, two similar successful attacks have struck
home territories of both the US and UK ends of their military alliance.
Or covert collusion/enabling?
The intelligence services are the
real wolves - dressed up as sheep.
US counter-intel was "aware" of the Tsarnaev brothers.
And UK MI5 has now admitted they had records on the
two alleged London killers for the past eight years!
One of the men was very high-profile and public about his views
--attending a radical group and handing out flyers in the streets:
MI5 knew of men suspected of killing Lee Rigby
• Security service assessed suspects but did not investigate
• Victim Lee Rigby had served in the army for seven years
• Police raid homes in London and Lincolnshire
• Extremist cleric says he tutored suspect
Police officers at a block of flats in Greenwich, south-east London, which
was raided in connection with the killing of British soldier Lee Rigby.
Photograph: Paul Hackett/Reuters
Vikram Dodd, Nick Hopkins, Nicholas Watt and Sandra Laville
The Guardian, Thursday 23 May 2013 21.22 BST
The two suspects in the butchering to death of a British soldier had been
known to the domestic security service MI5 and the police over an eight-
year period, but had been assessed as peripheral figures and thus not
subjected to a full-scale investigation, it has emerged .
One of the two attackers was named as Michael Olumide Adebolajo, the
man seen in dramatic video brandishing knives and justifying the attack
as a strike against the west while his victim lay yards away bloodied and
Adebolajo, from a Nigerian churchgoing family who later converted to
Islam, had complained of harassment by MI5 in the last three years
after he came to the intelligence agency's attention.
The admission came as the Ministry of Defence named the victim of the
attack in Woolwich as Drummer Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old from Rochdale
who had served in the army for seven years. Rigby, who had spent six
months in Afghanistan in 2009, had a two-year-old son, and had been
based in London since 2011.
The suspects, shot by police shortly after the incident, remain in separate
but unidentified hospitals, too badly injured to be questioned.
Detectives investigating Rigby's death also arrested a 29-year-old man
and woman on suspicion of conspiracy to murder the soldier, suggesting
there may have been a wider conspiracy to carry out the attack. The 29-
year-old woman was arrested at a flat in Greenwich, south-east London.
Parliament's intelligence and security committee would examine the wider
role of the police and MI5, David Cameron said on Thursday, an inquiry
that is expected to address any lessons that may need to be learned after
counterterrorism officials decided not to monitor the suspects.
Speaking in Downing Street before a visit to Woolwich, Cameron said:
"You would not expect me to comment on this when a criminal
investigation is ongoing, but what I can say is this: as is the normal
practice in these sorts of cases, the Independent Police Complaints
Commission will be able to review the actions of the police, and the
intelligence and security committee will be able to do the same for the
wider agencies, but nothing should be done to get in the way of their
absolutely vital work."
There were some suggestions that one of the two men may have tried to
visit Somalia; Whitehall sources did not deny reports that one of the
suspects was stopped while trying to travel to the war-torn east African
country. Somalia is feared by counterterrorism officials to be a training
ground for violent jihadists.
The extremist cleric Omar Bakri Mohammad, who has been expelled from
Britain, told the Guardian he had tutored Adebolajo in Islam after he
converted to the religion in 2003. He was the former leader of al-Muhajiroun,
an organisation banned for professing extremist views. Mohammad
described Adebolajo as a shy man who had been angered by the Iraq
invasion, and who would ask questions about when violence was justified.
Adebolajo had a Muslim name, Mujaahid, which means one who engages
in jihad. He went to meetings of the now banned Islamist organisation
from around 2004 to 2011, but stopped attending those meetings, and
those of its successor organisations, two years ago.
The soldier's murder is being treated as a terrorist incident. Thursday saw
another meeting of the government crisis committee Cobra, chaired by
Cameron. However, so far the national threat level from al-Qaida-inspired
terrorism remains unchanged, suggesting that officials do not believe
Britain faces a wave of similar attacks.
The immediate focus is on the criminal investigation, which on Thursday
saw detectives from Scotland Yard's counterterrorism command raid five
addresses in London, and one in Lincolnshire that was the Adebolajo family
Sources stressed that the investigation was at an early stage, but
detectives are examining whether the arrested woman was in a
relationship with one of the two men detained on Wednesday, and what
the links are between the four people they currently have in custody. The
arrests are a clear signal that counterterrorism detectives suspect the
attackers may not have acted alone.
Adebolajo's mother moved her family out of London to Lincolnshire in an
attempt to remove him from the influence of a street gang. But Michael
Adebolajo returned to the capital to go to university. The 28-year-old was
a regular volunteer at the al-Muhajiroun stall outside HSBC bank on
Woolwich High Street, handing out extremist literature. One witness said
he had been recently seen outside Plumstead community centre
encouraging an audience to go to Syria to fight.
His family were churchgoing Christians of Nigerian heritage but he
converted to Islam about 10 years ago and investigators are trying to
establish how he became radicalised to the point that he may have
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:16 pm Post subject: Somali Terrorists Beheaded Soldier In London
Thought this was interesting. Any opinions?
Woolwich - Fishy Things to be aware of...
Currently the UK has a weak government with strong ties and support for the EU -
There is a significant groundswell from the population to hold a public vote to leave the EU. The citizens were duped into supporting the EU as a trading scheme... not the all encompassing one world government it turned out to be.
The main opposition to EU is Nigel Farage leader of the fast rising UKIP party
... He is a thorn in the side of all things NWO.
The English Deference League (EDL) is a group of English patriots who want their country back. They are labeled as extremists and have taken the extreme route to bringing England back to the English, often violently through frustration.
Recently the EDL threw its support behind UKIP.
This embarrassed UKIP who are afraid they will be tainted by an extremist label and lose their reputation in other voting sectors.
The EDL mobilized swiftly to protest the Woolwich soldier death event and swore revenge.
Recently, 6 radical Muslims were tried in the Woolwich court, they had planned to bomb an EDL rally.
Smoking gun, hands-on MI5 contact with the alleged killer.
The kind of contact which enables grooming.
Plus: Police arrest follows the BBC interview below!
Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect'
MI5 asked Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo if he wanted to work for them about six months before the killing, a childhood friend has said.
Abu Nusaybah told BBC Newsnight his friend - one of two men arrested after Drummer Lee Rigby's murder in south-east London on Wednesday - had rejected the approach from the security service.
The BBC could not obtain any confirmation from Whitehall sources.
Abu Nusaybah was arrested at the BBC after giving the interview.
The Met Police said a 31-year-old man had been arrested at 21:30 BST on Friday in relation to suspected terrorism offences and search warrants were being executed at two homes in east London.
The arrest was not directly related to the murder of Drummer Rigby, it said.
In his Newsnight interview, Abu Nusaybah said that, six months ago, his friend was "basically being harassed by MI5, this is something that he specifically mentioned to me".
He added: "His wording was, 'They are bugging me - they won't leave me alone.'
"He mentioned initially they wanted to ask him if he knew certain individuals.
"But after him saying that he didn't know these individuals, what he said was they asked him if he would be interested in working for them.
"He was explicit in that he refused to work for them but he did confirm he didn't know the individuals."
Newsnight reporter Richard Watson said that, in general terms, it was not out of the ordinary for the security service to approach people for information or even to act as covert sources.
Mr Adebolajo, 28, originally from Romford, east London, and fellow suspect Michael Adebowale, 22, of Greenwich, south-east London, had been known to MI5 for eight years, Whitehall sources told the BBC on Thursday.
Abu Nusaybah said the approaches followed Mr Adebolajo's detention by security forces on a trip to Kenya late last year.....
Woolwich murder suspect's 'friend' arrested amid
claims MI5 tried to recruit Michael Adebolajo
Shortly after the interview it is understood Mr Nusaybah was
met by police and remains under questioning. Police last night
confirmed that a 31-year-old man was arrested in London under
the Terrorism Act 2000.
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject:
Smoking gun, hands-on MI5 contact with the alleged killer.
The kind of contact which enables grooming.
WTF is right Fintan.
Lit fuse is more like it.
Abu wasn't lying in that interview. He was very "Matter of Fact"
in his comments and recollections.
Somthin' goin' on 'round here! _________________ The Lies have always been different at every Level...
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