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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

for the first time in a while i actually did laugh out loud. thanks, Fintan, for the laugh, and for suggesting the NYT as a source for reasonable questions asked to reasonable people.

having lived in MA for more than half my life at this point i can tell you that many reasonable people do indeed exist here. but most of them are not news reporters for Boston's ABCNNBCBSFOX affiliates...

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The police in New York received 143 reports of suspicious packages between Monday afternoon, just after the Boston explosions, and midnight on Tuesday. This was an increase of more than 300 percent over a similar time period last year, Raymond W. Kelly, the police commissioner, said.

Assuming this is a national trend and not a NY only thing--more suspicious packages--harder to find the one with pressure cookers, ball bearings, nails, etc...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and i wrote:
I think it's naive to believe that extending the culture of fear is the only reason for this horrible event. To call the JFK fire unrelated is simply unbelievable to me. FOIA requests had been posted against documents in the library. The library's own press release says there was some damage to archival materials... The fire was caused by AN INCENDIARY DEVICE within 10 minutes and one mile of the marathon bombing. It was not an accident, and it was probably related, with the marathon bombing being the more compelling cover story, since "if it bleeds, it leads."


Do you have a source for the claim that the fire was started by an incendiary device? Destroying JFK archive material off-camera, as it were, feels like a very significant aspect of this op.



I love this site. In the aftermath of events that suddenly dominate the MSM agenda, this is the first place that I look in order to get some insight into what's really going on.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManAtTheWindow wrote:

Do you have a source for the claim that the fire was started by an incendiary device? Destroying JFK archive material off-camera, as it were, feels like a very significant aspect of this op.

yes
http://rt.com/usa/library-blast-police-boston-914/
http://www.dotnews.com/2013/suspicious-fire-kennedy-library-remains-under-investigation
http://news.yahoo.com/powerful-devices-caused-boston-marathon-blasts-police-004250503--spt.html



ManAtTheWindow wrote:

I love this site. In the aftermath of events that suddenly dominate the MSM agenda, this is the first place that I look in order to get some insight into what's really going on.

me too

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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......this is the first place that I look in order
to get some insight into what's really going on.

Me too. Wink

Down with BS.
On with Truth....

Boston Bombs Probe Is A Despairing FBI Fishing Exercise

by Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.com
18 April 2013 @ 10amET


Quote:
Investigators mull releasing photos
from Boston Marathon finish line


Investigators are believed to be weighing the advantages of releasing the
photos and enlisting the public's aid in finding possible suspects and doing
anything that might jeopardize the investigation. Amateur sleuths around
the world have been examining widely circulated photos from the crowd,
isolating on people with backpacks, but officials have warned against
such speculation.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/18/obama-to-visit-boston-amid-hunt-for-persons-interest-seen-in-photos/

Truth is the online sleuths on Reddit and 4Chan, among many other
websites are probably doing a better job at video and photo analysis ,
than the official inquiry.

After all, the internet has tens of thousands of eyes deployed and has
a web-speed infrastructure of updating and integrating online research.

Assume that the FBI are now depending on the internet sleuths, as much
or more than the internet sleuths are depending on them.

Quote:
Investigators in Boston blasts
Hunt 2 men from scene


In the investigation, authorities said that they had made significant progress.
However, asked whether investigators knew the identity of the people of interest
in surveillance photos, Gov. Deval Patrick said, “No.” He declined to elaborate.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17784776-investigators-in-boston-blasts-hunt-2-men-from-scene

And that's about as close the lamestream media get
to calling out the FBI on the lie of "significant progress".

All of which makes you wonder if the whole "imminent arrest" meme
was a defensive spin job with collusion of CNN reporters
- to make it
look like there is an immediacy and urgency to the FBI's investigation.

When in fact there is not enough to even release a
single photo with a prospect of a significant arrest
attaching to it.

Right now, we have a despairing FBI fishing exercise.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:


After all, the internet has tens of thousands of eyes deployed and has
a web-speed infrastructure of updating and integrating online research.


Assume that the FBI are now depending on the internet sleuths, as much
or more than the internet sleuths are depending on them.



I had shivers reading that.

And the realization that all the research done by credible people online cuts through all the bullshit.

I rank you Fint right up there with them.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi Fintan,

if the bombs were pressure cookers filled with nail, ball bearings, etc
what would one estimate the weight to be? 30lbs, 40lbs, more?

also pressure cookers are round, so the backpack would have a bulge in it.
both of these would make the backpack, i think, awkward and noticeable

do any of those pictured look like that?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

duaneh wrote:
hi Fintan,

if the bombs were pressure cookers filled with nail, ball bearings, etc
what would one estimate the weight to be? 30lbs, 40lbs, more?

also pressure cookers are round, so the backpack would have a bulge in it.
both of these would make the backpack, i think, awkward and noticeable

do any of those pictured look like that?


Sorry to interject, but a pressure cooker device dont have to look like a typical pressure cooker...maybe the shape can be adapted, and even made from scratch to be slimmer.

Not saying thats how its done but thats my first thoughts.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, check the links to images from 4chan which do point out backpacks with bulges. totally circumstantial.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-17-2013/the-most-busted-name-in-news


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

backpack or duffel bag?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/bomb-photos-boston-marathon_n_3096328.html?utm_hp_ref=crime

Bomb Photos Surface From Boston Marathon Explosion: Report (LIVE UPDATES)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




Napolitano Tacitly Admits Boston Bomb Probe Stalled

by Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.com
18 April 2013 @ 3:45pmET

Further to our story earlier today, that the Boston Bombs Probe Is A Despairing
FBI Fishing Exercise
, consider the unspoken aspects of Janet Napolitano's
testimony to the House Homeland Security Subcommittee.


Napolitano said the investigation is continuing "apace."

That's politician-speak for "plodding along in hope." Words which confirm
our assessment that no significant progress has been made.

Her tone was echoed by a federal law enforcement source, who told the
New York Post: "It's not like we're going to have somebody in cuffs in five
minutes but it is evolving.
"

Evolution is a process which takes tens of thousands of years.

Napolitano also said: "There is some video that has raised the question
of those that the FBI would like to speak with."

Translating politician-speak again, she means that the persons in the video
are unknown to FBI or local law enforcement - otherwise they would be
already in custody.

Napolitano also said: "I wouldn’t characterize them as suspects under the
technical term.
"

Which translates to: "What's in the video isn't any actual substantive
evidence against these people, so this is a fishing exercise."

Napolitano also said: "But we need the public’s help in locating these individuals."

Translates to : "we are going to toss these people to the media lions."

Finally, Napolitano also said: "There is no current indication to suggest
that the attack was part of a larger plot.
"

This needs double translation. First, it means it's likely the attack was
carried out by a solo individual - with neither domestic or foreign links.

Secondly, by emphasizing that there is no "larger plot," she takes
some of the heat off the FBI by portraying the bombing as a so-called
"isolated incident" -- and thus not a clear and present threat to the
USA by a large terrorist group.

SUSPECT SUSPECTS

Two of the internet-identified "persons of interest" have now been cleared.

The best remaining FBI hope from the photo and video evidence is of two
other men - as reported by the fact-constrained NY Times. But the NYT
story is not sourced from the investigation team. Rather, this account
comes second-hand from a briefing to law enforcement.

"Investigators have found clear video images of two potential suspects
carrying black bags, one at the site of each explosion..... investigators
recovered portions of a shredded black backpack.... and they were able
to determine the brand and model of the bag. The backpack carried by at
least one of the men seen in the videos appeared to be similar"


It would be a great outcome for the FBI if the person can so simply be
identified.
But that hope relies on the bomber being smart enough to
chose an attack time and method which succeeded - but too dumb to
realize that CCTV or video might capture a facial image.

A careful planner of such an attack would use disguise and/or would
"case" the location carefully months ahead of time - and chart a route
in and out of the area which minimized his proximity to store or
street CCTV cameras.

Perhaps it's now down to internet sleuths --which law enforcement
and media have been unfairly demonizing today-- to figure out the who
and how of this gruesome mass murder.


- Fintan Dunne

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