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atm



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:38 am    Post subject: The Science Delusion Reply with quote

Interesting next level stuff. Henrick Palmgren (?) reminds me of Fintan Dunne, except I think the former has a few rather flush Swedish bank accounts.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/12/RIR-121227.php

http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html



There it is. Take it or leave it, it's *immaterial*.

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Benn



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I emailed Rupert Sheldrake several years ago, rather on a whim, curious about the concept of "inter-species morphogenic fields". Since we know that many plant and animal species have symbiotic relationships, I wondered whether perhaps they were both resonating with the same field. And since I had learned about morphic fields by watching his videos, it stood to reason that he was the best person to ask.

After an initial email from his assistant or secretary letting me know my question would be forwarded to him, I soon received Sheldrake's response, which I will quote at full length:
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"Yes, Iím sure that some morphic fields are interspecies. The best example of this are plant galls, like oak apples, which are a co-production of insects and plants. Some galls are co-productions of fungi or bacteria in plants. Root nodules leguminous plants are another example.
Best wishes, Rupert Sheldrake "

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bri



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: The Science Delusion Reply with quote

atm wrote:
Interesting next level stuff. Henrick Palmgren (?) reminds me of Fintan Dunne, except I think the former has a few rather flush Swedish bank accounts.


Thanks atm, looks interesting. I've been impressed
by Sheldrake in the past, been wondering what he was up to.

Henrik has a nice voice, but I think 95% of his radio interviews
and website content are crap and/or "CIA Fake" material.
Bought and sold.
When he has a good guest the
show can be wonderful, I'll give him that.
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atm



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, hfnfnh

what does float your boat, bri?

This perhaps:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio3fourteen/2012/R314-121017.php

Benn

he sounds a bit, you know, a bit...is that the take I'm meant to take?

He's a Cambridge don, y'know... with a beer gut...OMG!

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Benn



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can take it however you want, ATM. I'm just sharing. I like Sheldrake's ideas and his unusual experiments.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atm wrote:
Hmm, hfnfnh

what does float your boat, bri?

This perhaps:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio3fourteen/2012/R314-121017.php


I will check it out atm. Looks interesting. At first I
thought he was another one of those Freemen
(Oh no, not them again), but seems that is not the case.
It's hard to describe myself as anything but Anarchist these days
(wouldn't want any club to have me as a member regardless),
but I find the sub-categories confusing. Anti-Statist/Anarcho Capitalists
seem to give the private sector a free pass. Anarcho-Socialists
are all mixed up. Black Bloc are of course 99% Feds. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Anarcho Capitalists" are victims of a libertarian con game. There is no such thing.

Here is one of the most well-researched and ideologically objective historical critiques of anarchism I've ever read - by an anarchist.

Sad but true, and even still, it retains hope. No punches are pulled, no sacred cows left untipped.

http://polyarchy.org/essays/english/anarchism.html

One subgroup which is not mentioned above - although it's not surprising really since the philosophy is rather abstruse - are the nondualists. I think they would have the greatest overlap with Sheldrake's theories. The nondualistic view sees the universe as a constantly-unfolding dynamic process, not a cartesian space full of "NOUNS that VERB", but rather a huge multidimensional network of field patterns whose apparent (local) stability is merely an illusion caused by perspective and language.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's one juicy essay. Cool

My favorite section is the last.
Beyond the labels.

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Beyond anarchism and antianarchism

Going beyond anarchism and antianarchism means to leave behind the ineptitudes, ingenuousnesses or sheer idiocies of some anarchists or pretended anarchists (past and present) and refresh the everlasting core of the anarchist conception and practices.

The best way to do so is to integrate the anarchist vision and aspiration with a scientific outlook and approach so that, in the end, we are no longer dealing with objectives (the implementation of anarchy) held by a specific group of people (the anarchists) but with a framework (the freedom to live ones own life) that is acceptable to all in so far as it is the moral pre-requisite for being humans (presence of responsibly assumed choices) and the scientific premise for the existence of a human society (absence of oppression that generates clashes)

However, to do so, we should, first of all, get rid of two pathologies that are deeply imbedded in the minds of many individuals (of "anarchists" and "antianarchists" alike):

- the mission pathology: the idea that the mission of revolutionary individuals is to change the world with a total solution and once for all;

- the missionary pathology: the idea that there are missionaries (the proletariat, the party, the left, the entrepreneurs, the scientists, etc.) that are the engine of this total catharsis.

Missions and missionaries should be replaced by:

- sensible persons: the protagonist of self-liberation is each single reasoning and willing human being;

- practical projects: the path of self-liberation is the setting up of autonomous fruitful initiatives and projects that liberate productive energies and creativity.

A liberation process, whatever the background of ideas that inspire it, should be founded on the basic principle that is common to science and to morality, i.e. consistency. Specifically, the consistency required is that between:

- Ends-Means. If authoritarian power is based on violence, the antiauthoritarians cannot use violence as part of their strategy unless they want to replicate the worst aspects of the power they want to abolish. In other words, authoritarian means cannot be employed for libertarian ends.

- Ideas-Actions. If authoritarian power is based on lofty empty words (democracy, popular sovereignty, public interest, etc.) the antiauthoritarian expresses, through very practical projects and self-liberating actions, his/her libertarian ideas.

- Unity-Variety. If the authoritarian power is based on massification (uniformity) and confrontation (antagonism), the antiauthoritarian is for the harmony (unity) of differences (variety) and so for the polyvalent multi-dimensional individual.

These three manifestations of consistency are indispensable both in the practice of science and in the liberation process. That is why liberation is a scientific activity that goes beyond any specific ideology or label (political, economic or other) attached to it.
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