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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:50 pm    Post subject: Prostatitis: Hell on Earth Reply with quote

Howdy BFN,

I will attempt to stay out of rant mode,
and please don't consider this just being
selfish and dumping my problems on you folks.
I just know that there are a lot of intelligent
and kind people who frequent this forum,
and I would like to hear if any other men
who have suffered from the insanity that is "Prostatitis",
or perhaps women with suffering partners.

I showed up to the local ER with what I thought was
a bad UTI (burning urination). It wasn't terrible pain,
just annoying, drank plenty of water and never took
aspirin. The duration just scared me and something else
that I will mention later.

Anyhow, negative on the STD tests and nothing in the urine,
so I am stuck with this "Prostatitis" diagnosis until I have a follow up
with a urologist, all of which I am paying for with new car money and
filling out poor-people forms because I am a dummy without health insurance.

I get to find out if it's a minor attack or chronic,
what type it is, oh the anticipation.
People with chronic pain in that region often
seriously consider suicide, it's nothing to
joke about, but I can completely see why.
Statistics say it's probably chronic.

Brings me to the finale. It's a mind fuck this thing.
You know those events what are they called?
...oh yeah ORGASMS
That's the one.

Yeah well that awesome moment is ruined
because right after the tip of the hill
you might as well dip your pecker in gasoline.

Oh the humanity...

Thankfully the drop in libido and apparent ED is entirely
psychosomatic. Sort of... The mind is a powerful thing. The fear
of a man not being able to please his partner is on every man's list.
Unless they are married of course (ha! cymbal crash).
The condition does not actually effect libido , testosterone or blood flow
issues directly, more indirectly through mind control. Wink

Talk about a wake up call,
this could be a long road.

The food allergy thing wouldn't surprise me,
bad food and sugar drinks seem to inflame it.


Causes of Prostatitis

On the scientific level, the causes of prostatitis are not completely understood. There is controversy among the most highly regarded experts. Keep in mind that any one patient may have more than one cause operating at the same time. Or, looked at from another point of view, prostatitis could be several different diseases which present with the same or similar sets of symptoms in different individuals.

There are three main schools of thought about the causes of prostatitis. Each of the following linked pages will soon have additional information related to the potential cause.

Bacterial infection,
Auto-immune response or disordered immune response,
Neuromuscular, tension or physical injury problem
Additional possible causes:
a uric acid disorder,
prostate stones,
a urethral stricture,
a rare tumor,
prostate cancer,
benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH, non-cancerous growth of the prostate),
a food allergy,
a yeast infestation,
a specific yeast problem from the Genus Candida,
or a virus.

If you've had prostatitis for very long and had very many appointments to try to deal with it, you've heard some of these theories.

Does it matter what is causing it? Will knowing the cause help you get over it? The answer would be "yes," if only determining the cause were simple. (See the "Methods " page for a discussion of methods of treating prostatitis.) Also, unfortunately, even doctors who are sure of the cause of prostatitis in their patients cannot cure all their patients.

If your prostatitis is caused by bacterial infection, knowing that should help your doctor treat the infection and make you better. Unfortunately, many doctors and clinics do only cursory checking for bacteria. But even doctors who do very careful checking for bacteria, and indeed find bacteria, cannot always make their patients' symptoms go away.

Similarly, ruling out bacteria and going on one of the other hypotheses does not necessarily help either. If you thought or even knew that your prostatitis is caused by an immune disorder, does that mean there is a clear route to fixing the problem? Not likely.

There are therapies around for fixing physical problems. There are people who can teach you relaxation techniques, or muscle-strengthening techniques, to repair or ameliorate problems with your pelvic floor musculature. But there is no clear path that works for everyone.

Why can't doctors fix you up? Well, for one thing, they aren't trained very well in diagnosing and treating prostatitis. Urologists spend most of their time studying surgery. If prostatitis were something that could be fixed by surgery, they'd give it a try. And other doctors tell patients to "learn to live with it."

The upshot of all this confusion is that YOU, and only you, brother, are going to have to take charge of finding out what's causing your prostatitis . Sure, you'll need doctors to help you, and to run tests and interpret them for you, and prescribe drugs if necessary. But YOU are going to have to be the one who is well-armed with questions and demanding enough to get your doctor to get to the bottom of things.

Remember guys,
eat your veggies,
always get your vitamin D (from the sun),
and sex is good for you!
I am 26 years old and this shit is no joke!
Watch your prostate!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check this out.

Worth a shot no?

Who knows it could be soy or casein as well,
but I never put aspartame in my body
I can say that confidently.
Wheat is first to go, this time for good.

JFK cured it with sex, drugs, and Rock & Roll.
I'll try this first and finish the antibiotics I have.


The Chronic Prostatitis and Celiac Disease Connection



said this on 07 Jan 2011 7:52:33 PM PDT
I have had prostatitis/UTI for about 20 years (I am 42). I have tried everything modern medicine had to offer with no success. I just learned to live with it. Recently I visited a holistic medicine doctor to help with IBS. She ran some tests and suggested I remove gluten from my diet. Within a few weeks my IBS was almost gone! But I noticed something else, my prostatitis has gotten significantly better. I am convinced gluten was the problem. My doctor thinks my body still needs to heal and it could be months before I feel normal. I feel great now, cant wait for normal!

said this on 26 Aug 2010 8:00:07 AM PDT
I too have gluten intolerance and prostitis. My infections of the prostate usually come if I go off my gluten free diet. There is definitely a link in my experience between the two. I believe it starts with reaction in the colon which in turn irritates the the prostate (although I do understand the flaws in self diagnosis)... I am thirty one years old and am on constant antibiotics. Feel free to contact me as I would love to help in any way... although looking at the date you may have no need of that anymore.

said this on 22 Dec 2010 3:40:44 PM PDT
I completely agree with the association prostatitis/celiac disease. In my case, it is sufficient to eat just a piece of bread to feel the pain from prostatitis within a few hours. There is no much literature about it, but since I have stopped eating bread, pasta and so on, my prostatitis has gone away. Hope my experience may help.

said this on 13 Oct 2011 9:27:57 AM PDT
I'm 58, male. I have had lower pelvic pain at night for about 30 years. 5 years ago I stopped eating all gluten containing foods, (wheat, rye, and barley). Although my celiac test was negative, within a few weeks, the pelvic pain at night disappeared, only to reappear every time I have reintroduced gluten.

said this on 06 Aug 2012 8:55:42 AM PDT
Good article and follow up posts. I am 40 years old and seven years ago had a sudden attack of prostatitis. Went to several doctors and had many tests and never found adequate relief. Over the last several years I also developed irritable bowel syndrome, tiredness, lethargy, brain fogginess. I have been modifying my diet and exercise program to optimize my health, but it has always been an uphill battle.

Recently, I bit the bullet and went completely gluten-free and after 2-3 weeks, I feel amazingly better on all fronts with my prostate in the best shape it has been in 7 years. Hopefully the gluten-free diet continues to pay dividends as it is a very small inconvenience for the pay off. Definitely worth trying for anyone with similar symptoms. Was also tested for celiac disease and whole bunch of other stuff which all came back as "normal".

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and there's more.

The evidence builds.


Are chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) and Interstitial Cystitis (BPS/IC) the "asthmas" of the genitourinary tract? Is this a forum of gluten sensitivity?

The webmaster of this site was the first person ever to note on the internet that GLUTEN can affect symptoms. He writes:

I gave up wheat years ago, mainly because of the loose bowels it caused me. I also noticed that my two bad CP/CPPS flares since "conquering" my CP/CPPS were both associated with periods of re-introduction of wheat, oats and barley into my diet. I posted messages to various prostatitis and IC/PBS message boards in the mid-1990s, but nobody responded. I searched the Internet and found no hits, at that time, for wheat or gluten and prostatitis or interstitial cystitis. I also searched the Medline database, but found nothing that connected the conditions to gluten.

However, I've proved, over and over again, that this phenomenon is real. If I start eating gluten-containing foods, I go from next to zero symptoms to noticing, when crouching, an immense upwelling of pain in my groin. After I posted my experiences on the Internet, and then on this website, a number of men followed my example and reported a tremendous response to wheat exclusion diets. Here's a typical posting:

Now after being on a wheat free diet for 4 months my irritable bowel syndrome, urinary problems, and best of all, sexual dysfunction have all abated. (Viagra wasn't even working for me before.) My uro can't believe how firm my prostate has become.( Just had a check-up today.) No trace of bacteria before or after massage! I was resigned to the fact that I would probably have a lousy, prostatitis-burdened life for the rest of my life. Now I am feeling normal, energetic and healthy again.

Other men commented:

After dealing with this problem for many years, I have found that reducing my gluten intake as much as possible (complete elimination is almost impossible in a Western diet - unless I make it my life's mission) has been the only thing to reduce my symptoms.

as well as:

Wheat definitely is a key for me. I wanted to add that I was screwing up initially with the wheat free diet since SO many things secretly contain gluten. It's been about 3 months and symptoms are 90-95% better so far.

A handful of men also reported complete cures after following my example and ceasing gluten consumption.

Interestingly, according to the old-fashioned way of testing for celiac disease (colon biopsy in 1992), I do not have celiac disease, although the newer blood tests may come up with a different result. If I ever have those blood tests, I'll report back. But I certainly have a gluten-induced IBS with inflammation, and after wheat ingestion I get very sleepy, depressed and irritable, with headache, diarrhoea, and sometimes even skin rash.

Gluten can be a nerve poison for some people, and this may be the link. This issue is covered in more depth on our forum. This would be a great topic for research!

Update: as of November 2009, a search of "prostatitis and gluten" brings up zero hits on PubMed, and so does a search for "gluten and bladder pain syndrome/interstitial cystitis (BPS/IC)". A search for "gluten and pelvic pain" brings up a 2002 study. Close, but no cigar.

If you wish to use this link between gluten and UCPPS in your book, or your website, or your research, please give attribution to me or this site.



"Anecdotal evidence suggests that food allergies and intolerances may have a role in exacerbating CP/CPPS, perhaps through mast cell mediated mechanisms. Specifically patients with gluten intolerance or celiac disease report severe symptom flares after sustained gluten ingestion. Patients may therefore find an exclusion diet helpful in lessening symptoms by identifying problem foods. Studies are lacking in this area."

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record:

Over 24 hours dairy and gluten free and
I am starting to feel better already.
All in the mind? I don't think so, my
system seems to be clearing itself.

Other times I had tried to quit casein and gluten,
I didn't have such pain as a motivating factor.

The weird "hole in stomach" feeling of what I am assuming
is gluten withdrawal is easily filled with vegetable broth,
or better yet blended fruits and veggies.
Almost 'flu-like' symptoms as has been mentioned here before,
but nothing too strong. I can handle it.

My mind is starting to clear as well, amazing
how disjointed my previous posts in this thread are,
I was really in a bad place mentally, sorry I laid it all
out on you folks in graphic detail.

I will let you know how days 2 and 3 go. I got this.

So far the only gluten I may or may not have consumed
would be in trace amounts in a couple of Pepsis (edit: apparently
most sodas are gluten-free, there's corn of course,
tons of sugar and caffeine, neither of which are probably
good for this, but hey it's a start)
and some hamburger that I cooked which
I don't think contained gluten but I have heard
that it's very important to check that out before consuming.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Day 2 GFCF and now SFCF:

Not the best day. Orgasm (sorry to be gross, but it's part of life)
early this morning caused
intense pain for the rest of the day, just started subsiding now.
I guess I'll just have to lay low for a while. Wink

Caffeine and sugar are definitely major contributors,
going to have to cross them off the list as well.
Not so much that the substances themselves cause pain,
bit it seems they cause major dehydration, which
enhance the symptoms in very scary ways.

No problems eating healthy, no cravings.
I just want to get better and plan on winning this battle.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Pissed off Reply with quote

Saw Palmetto.
Health food supplement. There are others too that may have beneficial effects for prostate problems.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every man - if they live long enough will suffer some form of prostrate trouble/cancer. Healthy sex life - on a most continuous basis is good for prostrate health. As a man matures, the prostate goes through two main periods of growth. The first occurs early in puberty, when the prostate doubles in size. At around age 25, the gland begins to grow again. This second growth phase often results, years later, in enlarged prostate or benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). You had a thread earlier about turning 26 correct? Though the prostate continues to grow during most of a man's life, the enlargement doesn't usually cause problems until late in life. BPH rarely causes symptoms before age 40, but more than half of men in their sixties and as many as 90 percent in their seventies and eighties have some symptoms of BPH.

As the prostate enlarges, the layer of tissue surrounding it stops it from expanding, causing the gland to press against the urethra like a clamp on a garden hose. The bladder wall becomes thicker and irritable. The bladder begins to contract even when it contains small amounts of urine, causing more frequent urination. Eventually, the bladder weakens and loses the ability to empty itself, so some of the urine remains in the bladder. The narrowing of the urethra and partial emptying of the bladder cause many of the problems associated with BPH.
Link: http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/InTheNews/MedicalReports/index-Prostate.html

Shrink Your Prostate

■ Consider dietary supplements including saw palmetto extract and lycopene (Foods highest in lycopene include tomatoes, pink grapefruit, watermelon, and guava)
■ A diet low in fat and red meat
■ A diet high in protein and vegetables
■ Alcohol consumption (in moderation) - Consuming alcoholic drinks daily reduces risk of enlarged prostate or benign prostate hyperplasia. Consuming three or more alcoholic drinks per day reduces risk one-third (33%) compared to alcohol abstainers or teetotalers.

Drink cranberry juice (high quality) often. Sprinkle quinoa on everything. Eat blueberries often. Try and minimise your stress levels. Ditching caffiene is good - caffiene mimicks stress in the body/mind.

Eat apricots by the handful, then eat some more, and some more - daily to minimise your overall cancer risk (dried, fresh, raw, blender - whatever works for ya). The cancer cell outside skin has the cyanide molecule attach/stick to it from the apricots. Healthy cells the attaching/sticking action does not occur. Kills tumours before they get a chance to form, helps those in various stages throughout the body. Best source of this compound is the kernels. Big pharma made B17 instead of fresh/dried mostly apricots as a new miracle source for the sheeple.

Problem with our health is directly related to our diets. Farm animals are not given the essentials anymore, thus we suffer. Nutrients have been stripped away from the old forms of food we used to eat. There are cultures in the world that do not have cancer. Totally based on what they eat. Stay away from most oils.

Unfortunately some men just suffer from this no matter what. So try and make yourself as comfortable as possible - safely.

Best of luck with it Bri

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. Day three of diet changes seems to be going well so far. Ordered some high quality saw palmetto.
No caffeine, it will make me a little sluggish at work
but it's most important that I HEAL as much as possible.

BPH and IC are similar to prostatitis,
and all three are nightmares,
but so far all signs point to the prostatitis.
Could be wrong, have to make a follow-up
with a urologist again soon and have been delaying
due to economical fears and denial. Wink

I wouldn't recommend anyone going from the get-go
HARDCORE GARD (dogtorj.com)
it can be tough but this condition has made it quite easy.
Had a very small portion of rice last night which is breaking
the rules but didn't seem to bother me much.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

End of Day 4 feeling like a million bucks compared.
I've grown a lot to the taste of kale... Laughing

Remember folks, don't treat the symptoms,
treat the cause!

I'll shut up for now, and will update if anything gets
phenomenally better or worse...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Bri

I just heard about this an hour ago.

Cavena Nuda

There is avena (nuda) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avena_nuda - this is Canadian version therefore the C. I do not know much about it....it will be a food for the 3rd world and other areas needing help. Surpasses rice, is very packable, easy to grow, stores forever etc....I do know it has the protien levels you were looking for without eating rice.

Here is what I could find:

'Nicknamed “Rice of the Prairies,” Cavena Nuda is marketed as a rice substitute, but nutritionally speaking, it blows white rice right out of the water. It has twice the protein and 10 times the dietary fibre. Granted, it also has a lot more fat than white rice, but given its other health benefits, this seems like a fair trade-off.

Cavena Nuda is wheat-free, making it an excellent choice for those who are gluten-intolerant or who have Celiac disease. Its low glycemic index also makes it a great grain for people with diabetes and others looking to maintain stable blood sugar levels. It has more cholesterol-lowering beta glucan than regular hulled oats and just ¼ cup delivers twenty per cent of the daily recommended intake of iron.

This grain has all the makings of a dietary superstar!'

Link: http://www.weightwatchers.ca/util/art/index_art.aspx?tabnum=1&art_id=53261&sc=3017

'Cavena is a naturally evolved naked oat developed with the support of Ag-Canada." That is what the packaging says about Nuda Naked Oats. I received this product for testing, excited to try a rice substitute but had no idea what I was in for.

This hulless oat that the company refers to as the "Rice of the Prairies" was on the Dragon's Den and secured a deal with Boston Pizza's mega foodie star Jim Treliving. As a big fan of the show, I was intrigued! A rice substitute that is 17.2% complete protein, high in fibre, low glycemic index and wheat free? Sounds healthy but! Is it edible?.....
Link: http://suziethefoodie.blogspot.ca/2011/09/product-review-cavena-nuda-naked-oats.html

Buy shares in this venture if you can - dude will be a rich man:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks dude I will check out the links.

For the record,
GARD works.

I have not felt this healthy
or clear-headed in a very long time.
Is it supposed to work this fast? WTF?!!?

My symptoms have almost disappeared. (---Had very mild pain
for very short periods today. Barely noticeable.---)
I probably should still follow up with a urologist but
I don't really feel the need to.

I need to thank John Symes!
I would also like to thank Fintan & Kathy
for exposing me to this information that has
taken me so damn long to put into action.
Thanks also to members of the forum such
as Rumpl who have written about their
diet experiences.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is a thread on another forum
which is both highly humorous (depending if you like larry, curly, and mo)
and somewhat informative.

Do I have yeast infection in my penis? http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=449115&f=278


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