10th Anniversary of 9/11

[Raphael]

>>> but what about the hurricane on 911 heading for NYC that changed direction too?

namaste

[Rom]

IronClad
"If they had used the name Al Qaida on 11th September 2001 the public would have wondered who the heck they were. "
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It is not good to start with wrong assumption to prove your points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIjYYkR5vbM&feature=player_embedded
At 7:10pm on 9/11 bin Laden named as the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and the media was giving comprehensive details about "terrorist cells". That is seriously fast detective work.
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IronClad
"There is more infighting amongst 9/11 researchers than there are with the "straights". At least you get some sense out of them."

The 9/11 researchers are not mindcontrolled like the sheeple.
Here is one "fact" for the sheeple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEy70-5Z6uQ&feature=player_embedded

This was a Fox News liar. It could equal well have been a CNN liar. You recognize liars by perfect hair styling and perfect teeth?

[IronClad]

Re: the Insider Trading 9/11 article in the Asia Times.

Who do you believe Convar or KrollOntrack on the matter of the devices [hard disks] in the twin towers?

KrollOntrack who responded to the author's question or the company who stone-walled?

Anyone who stone-walls is not being clever. Nor are those who order them to remain silent. They can't even find the courage or the wit to dream up a constructive reply.

KrollOntrack, whether it was a statement or an opinion have responded with courage and wit to confirm what every 9/11 researcher knows.

Almost everything in the twin towers got pulverized beyond any doubt whatsoever.

KrollOntrack show that at least some folk in the US are standing up for the American people in telling the truth.

Of course the record number of Put Options may have been fake and put into the system to make the finance industry suspects but how curious was it that the investigation only concerned linking them to the alleged perps and considered that they were ordinary transactions and so didn't warrant any further consideration. But that's one way to dismiss fake Put Options put into the system.

[IronClad]

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/12_Global/120323.Bill.Lear.affadavit.pdf

There hasn't been much spoken about the alleged 767's that are claimed to have been flown into the twin towers except of their speed and of course, TV and video fakery.

A well known pilots web site is well known to have paid attention more to flight 77 than the two 767's. One might assume that 77 being less likely to have gone in that low would be an easier case to refute. Pilots should be this exclusive when aviation issues are involved. It is as though the two events were not linked and of course they were in the mainstream account.

The one matter that John Lear has not mentioned is the concept that the faster a plane flies the more the nose lefts and vice versa. The slower speed the nose come down. This is because a plane wants to maintain stability in accordance with the available wind. So, had both flights been flying at the estimated speeds, alleged then both planes would have wanted to climb. They both would have required to be kept in level flight and stable.

So, what is so important that both flying objects had to be flying so fast. Why not at cruising speed? Would the public have known any different? The speed of 175 was estimated from its video but how was the speed of 11 measured? Not from its video.

The speed of 11 could so easily have been claimed to have been an appropriate cruising speed at that low altitude. But when the speed of 175 was estimated this would have been around 200 mph faster than 11.

It could only have been flying objects that actually flew at these fast speeds because the people on the ground would have seen them had they been 767's. And so "these 767's" had to be flying fast because they were not seen as 767's.

The interesting thing is the media failed to tell the public that their videos speed had been slowed down and both must have been running at normal speed.

Or otherwise they were holograms with a sound track.

[IronClad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2EiWHyX7WU&feature=player_embedded#t=541s

If you'vre got fed up with Youtube videos claiming to be 9/11 truth?

[IronClad]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/04/us-usa-guantanamo-september-idUSBRE8330XJ20120404?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Who wants to try the alleged master mind behind the 9/11 attacks? Who has the final say in the jurisdiction? No one seems to want responsibility here. I guess the Human Rights lobby are silent on the issue as well. Presumably he can't call upon his human rights to be tried by a judge and jury of his peers.

Zac was tried in a civilian court I seem to recall. It's a long time ago.


May be the charge has a military flavour - "murder in violation of the law of war". What is this law? Does the prosecution have to prove a war existed prior to 9/11/01 between Pakistan and the US? Between the US and Muslims? Between terrorism, as a concept and the west?

It's a puzzle that will need some legal foundation before it gets off the ground.

New York, would it be a fair trial if held here? The crime was a civil crime and victims were civilians and it was civilian property damage. Isn't the latter a crime or can't he be charged with that?

Would someone please make a decision. Justice delayed is justice denied.


Convictions on the most serious charges, which include terrorism, hijacking, conspiracy and murder in violation of the law of war, could carry the death penalty.


should be tried in civilian courts as criminals or before military courts as enemy combatants.

[IronClad]

One can easily imagine the risks back 1966 and Asbestos would not be too much of a risk or it should not have been despite the alleged coverage of around 30 floors of only one tower. Had it been only these floors to have been cleared of Asbestos then one might have difficulty in assessing what the big problem was.

As the example given in the second link shows it is not the limit of one occurrence which matters but the aggregate during a policy term. The limit might be $10m per occurrence but what was the limit over the term of the policy? It might be twice or 5 times the limit for one occurrence but the assessment of risk might be how many events might be envisaged per policy year. Back in 1966 it would not have been envisaged that there would be one major event resulting in a liability for Asbestos contamination.

OK, one occurrence was the destruction of the North Tower in 2001.

So, all the claims came flooding in to whom?

The owners, the parties involved in the lease or the contractors, the architect, who?

Has any respondent been found judged liable? Has any plaintiff lived long enough to have seen a case through to judgement?

Did anyone prove that on 9/11/01 that Asbestos is the cause of their illness. Was any Asbestos spores found in "Dr. Jones's dust samples" or the official samples?

If only around 30 floors are alleged to have been treated in one tower and much of the material in the towers was pulverized then who can we believe?

Were the companies named in the article respondents or plaintiffs? Were they the aggrieved party? [after all these years having passed] or were they the respondents of claims brought by individual parties who failed to defend themselves.

There is a lot more to do before this main article becomes substantial.

Will it come out though who were the successful beneficiaries / plaintiffs in this $10 million fund?

A $10m limit per occurrence denotes the degree of the liability risk. Asbestos was not it back in 1966 and certainly did not envisage a 9/11 or should not have.

http://www.mesothelioma.com/news/2012/04/insurance-company-says-it-wont-pay-any-more-world-trade-center-asbestos-claims.htm

10/4/12]

Extracts

New York, New York - American Home Assurance, the company that issued a general liability policy to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1966 at the start of the construction of the Twin Towers, has filed a claim in New York County Court saying they have no obligation to defend or indemnify any further asbestos claims from the site, due to the fact that the policy issued has a limit of $10 million per occurrence, a number that has already been reached.

A representative for the insurance company notes that since the attacks, they have been subject to thousands of personal-injury claims arising from asbestos exposure. Also named as defendants in many of the claims were Alcoa Company, DiBono Plastering Company, the Port Authority, and Tishman Realty and Construction Company. The latter was the construction manager for the project.


http://www.portlandonline.com/omf/index.cfm?a=321709&c=53428

[IronClad]

10 years since 9/11 and Channel 4 program "9/11: The Lost Tapes" [see it at their Web site in the 4oD section - only available for viewing in the UK] seems to be history now. Any message that it had seems to have been lost.

However, it is always curious when a documentary comes out after a long time after the event because when memories fade events don't seem so important as they were.

Even an expectation that if the perps were exposed now that there would be a great rolling back of the times and every war crime and war criminal would be brought to justice and time would start all over again from 8/11/01 as if 9/11 never happened, has become a dream.

The topic of the program was the inability of the civilian and military establishment to counter the 9/11 attacks. May be Jack Bauer has given us a false sense of security that there would be such a character to have foiled any of the attacks. Even our hero John O'Neil ex FBI died on the day. It was a day of silent heroes - those medical first responders. The cops we never hear of their bravery and of course the firefighters would be the first to deny they were heroes.

The F15 and F16 pilots could have been heroes but they were not sent into the war zone but F16 did a fly over after the Pentagon attack was over. When there had been recorded umpteen times when errant civilian small planes had been quickly joined by a fighter escort. It seemed that fighters were intentionally kept away from the crime scene. Was that because there was nothing to direct those fighters to. Had the fighters found their targets what would have followed was an order and someone who had to give an order. Who would have been brave enough to have issued an order? What would have been that order? A tough one.

Keep the fighters away and no need for such a tough order.

Those 767's had no opposition and had all the airspace they needed. That was almost guaranteed.

The program high-lighted the failures of the military and the top brass and the administration but even had they been on Red Alert the events would still have happened because there was no counter measure against these attacks.

The program high-lights how the whole establishment was beaten on the day. And we have learned since how strong terrorists have been ever since 9/11 - or more accurately called insurgents. They pinned down a whole establishment on 9/11 and thereafter pinned down whole armies in Afghanistan and Iraq. Who is winning the war? Everything seems to have been clouded in the fog of war. The longer the wars go on the more it gets confused who the victor is or who they will be.

[IronClad]

http://www.911myths.com/images/9/94/MFR-David_Bottiglia.pdf

What do you make of this?

See if you still have your "9/11 skills".

[Raphael]

[IronClad]

http://www.911myths.com/images/9/9b/MFR-Mark_Merced.pdf

Another segment of the story.

Can't cut to the chase just yet but working on it..

[IronClad]

New York Center only provides data on 175 and Merced was directly involved with AA 11. How does one get "directly involved" in a hijacked plane?

This Merced fellow seems to be familiar with hijack scenarios.

Bottiglia was covering East Texas but Merced who was covering Kennedy gets Bottiglia involved in the radar scope just as 11 was taking off.

Bottiglia says he did not hear anything from the previous sector about "terrorist" communications. What was David's role in Flight 11?

Merced gets the radar switched on around 8 and 11 takes off at 7:59 which tracks planes below 18,000 feet.

11 enters NY sector at 8:41 and has crashed into the NT by 8:46

Then there is this guy, Mike McCormack. How much does he know about planes and who was he in communication with. Is he military?

New York Center does not provide data for 11. But reports that 11 "disappeared"

The plot thins.

[IronClad]

Friday, end of the week - down to my last few notes and just about to hand a 20 over to the bar staff member when lo and behold I spotted some writing on it. Upside down on the image of Adam Smith and along the edge of the note was:-

"9/11 was an inside job"

and

" The British Labour Party are Tories wearing red rosettes"

Who would write something [anything] upside down, let alone on a £20 note?

What a way to get the message out. Money circulates, the message circulates.

What is worrying though is who would write it upside down. That concerns me.

The right way up denotes [forgive the pun] a tidy mind. Upside down, I dunno but may be its significant. In theory a £ 20 note will go to a retailer and then paid in to a bank and come out again. Limited circulation. A £5 note is likely to be circulated much more.

Anyway, what does one do with a special £20? Pass it on, keep it or ask the bank to replace it from whence it came?

BTW Friday was a spooky day, not only might I have spent the £20 during the week without noticing the writing on it but on the way home I found 11 pence [who finds a 10p and 1p together just when walking along the street?]

11p [you get then significance?].

[IronClad]

This isn't a boeing 757 is it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130442&page=1#.T6BVjNlnUWM

"I heard a whistling, like a whistling sound and then a rumble, and then just a big whoosh," Moody said, her voice raspy from smoke inhalation. "It felt like air at first but then I realized it was fire, just a big ball of fire. It felt like it came in through the window and just engulfed us."