the torus, co-opted?

[Azoth]

We've read quite a bit on the dynamics of the torus (in the context of torsion physics and the creative process etc).

But I keep coming across folks, Stan Tenen included, who say that this structure isn't the holy grail so to speak. That the (erroneous) idea was started around the turn of the century. Someone else mentioned a David Livingstone who contrived the connection.

There's the movie Thrive, which I hear is disinfo mainly. Pertinently, the torus info therein (via Nassim) is also incorrect. Or incorrect as in far too general.

I hear elsewhere you don't even need that model/system to derive free energy - as some germans are doing.

I certainly enjoyed Dan Winter's stuff on the torus but am wondering....