Allergies and Meth Oh My!

hawkwind · Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 687

With the weird weather this year ... my allergies (hay fever) have been really raising havoc with my sinuses ... so out of frustration I went out to the store to buy some decongestant. I very rarely take this stuff cause I hate the side effects but I was getting really sick of not being able to sleep due to the clogged nose especially at night.

I finally decided on which one to buy after reading the labels and had to take a card to the pharmacy counter to get the shit ... I decided on Allegra-D. The pharmacist immediately asked for my driver's license and started to enter the information in her computer. I asked what was going on and she said I needed to be registered into a Federal database to purchase any drug that contained pseudo-ephedrine!? I asked why and she said that this is the main ingredient in homemade methamphetamine. I must be getting old because I've never been in contact with it and have no idea how buying 20 allergy tablets could possible lead to a federal drug issue ...

Anyway it pissed me off and I did a little research on the interwebs and found this video ...

So folks, is the problem as bad as this video portrays ... or is it all a bunch of shit and over reach from the government? What do you think?

- Hawk

Peter · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: Must be TV

Breaking Bad...watch it and enjoy.

Continuity · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:19 am Post subject:

Yeah - it's true, except that it won't prevent a *single* gram from being made/imported into the US.

AFAIK most of the raw materials ((pseudo)ephedrine), lithium metal, red phosphorous, catalyst &c. (all depending on which 'recipe' you're planning to use) come into the US in 55-gallon drums mainly from Mexico.

As Peter said - watch 'Breaking Bad' - not only is it very good, but it is also a marvellously detailed portrayal of a white-bread chem teacher gone to the bad because of money problems. Cool

Are you saying, Hawk, that there in the US, you have *never* crossed paths with Methamphetamine? Shocked

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2887 Location: Capacious Creek

Ah drugs, what a can of worms. Laughing

Excuse the tangents, after review it
seems to be all relative enough.

I don't think it's as rampant as
all of these fancy t.v. shows let on,
as sad as it is to see people fall into those substances,
or other hard drugs, it hits pretty close to home.
The culture of "disease addiction" and addiction entertainment
shows like "Intervention" (Fucking disgusting, as is Celebrity Rehab)
piss me off beyond what I am capable of expressing at the moment,
in a pretty good mood today.
A few months ago I actually gave in and started attending
AA meetings (never was a meth guy).
I am picky about who I let into my "network",
skeptical, careful what I say, but also have a great sponsor
who is a wonderful person and spiritual in a non-creepy way,
if that makes any sense. I joined amongst dire warnings
from people I respect that it was a deadly cult or not even worth
the effort. I found that this is 1/2 true. As stupid as some of the things
in the big book are and as ignorant (denial? Wink

) some members are about the real Bill Wilson
(---"spiritual awakening" was belladonna treatment,
massive usage of LSD in the 50s and 60s,greed and creepiness),
there are sensible people amongst that crowd that have been a great help in staying off the booze.
The disease model of addiction, Big Pharma, Freudian psychology,
and weird sub-sects of AA like Al-anon (telling all family members
"they have problems too and sins to confess" wtf?!!)
have infused themselves into the bad
parts of AA and has created a monster, a friendly smiley face
of destruction.

If there were more alternatives I would be there,
at least I didn't blow any of my money at a useless rehab,
perhaps I'll start my own branch of something like SMART Recovery
someday. Genetics may play a part in all of this, I am not denouncing
all research, but I am proud to be Irish, feck off!

Terence Mckenna makes some good points
Click video if you want to watch parts II and III, equally enticing.

hawkwind · Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 687

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2887 Location: Capacious Creek

Continuity · Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't mind so much, but with all the ballyhoo about Meth on the one hand, and then on the other they're prescribing *millions* (not an exaggeration nowadays) of Phet-type stims, like the ubiquitous Ritalin ('kiddy coke') and quite often Methamphetamine itself (Desoxyn IIRC) in pharma form to kiddies *everywhere*.

Surely giving growing brains Methamphetamine *every day, multiple times a day* just might have some bad long-term effects... Naah, that's daft talk. Shocked

Weirdly enough, here in the UK we've had Amphet for *years* - it currently seems to be in that phase where it's been out of fashion the past decade or two.

We *never* see Meth in the UK though, and that's *always* puzzled me...

See, if you can make Amphet, you can easily do the extra step to make it into Meth, which is something like 8x stronger by weight and effects lasts 2-3x as long, and it can be freebased and smoked.

And the chem behind it is really Org.Chem 101 stuff - so easy to do, and like I say, if you've got Amphet already, it's even easier to perform one more step and make the far more valuable Meth...

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2887 Location: Capacious Creek

RedMahna · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 1408 Location: USA

Peter · Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: Turn about is unfair play?

RedMahna · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 1408 Location: USA

i think it all started with those damned reward cards and discount cards some years back... and every service provider asking for one's SS#.

red