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sushil_yadav
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 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Since when did "simple living" become equivalent to growing tails and living on trees????
Humans have spent more than 99.9% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies. |
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leon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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And what exactly do you suggest? That we all de-industrialized, take our pants off, grow some tales and climb back on the trees? And what version of “Nature” are you talking about? Version when the Earth was still a ball of fire? Or the version when the was no free oxigen in the atmosphere? Or the version when dinosaurs where still roaming the planet?
Or may be idyllic version of 14 century with Black Plague and no antibiotics but plenty of wind mills?
Sure, go ahead and de-industrialize but just in case learn some Chineese or Russian, at least some short phrases like "bend over" or "fetch me that stick" |
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sushil_yadav
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: |
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A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that destroy environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.
Human work must be primarily limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.
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leon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:41 am Post subject: |
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"Human work must be primarily limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter"
Ok, I guess no Space exploration or Nuclear Fusion
"А нука нагнись" is in Russian for "bend over". Just trying to be helpful. |
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leon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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"At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter"
And how the fuck exactly do I destroy the environment when I clean the pasture on my farm to replace the weeds with grass that my cows could graze on and shit on? Or by building a road to make various parts accessible by truck? Or by building irrigation system?
This fucking "environmentalist" morons make me totally mad. They are more dangerous than a pack of American youngsters joy-sticking the drone with a Hell Fire missile on board blowing the hell out of a wedding party. |
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Rom
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously the cost of using a car if too low. Here they use their car for driving 500 m to the neighbor. The environmental cost of cars should not be put upon those who are not using cars, like myself. |
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leon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Rom wrote: | | Obviously the cost of using a car if too low. Here they use their car for driving 500 m to the neighbor. The environmental cost of cars should not be put upon those who are not using cars, like myself. |
But of course Rom is not driving a car, rather half dead Khazarian horse. Speaking about stinking up the environment. |
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sushil_yadav
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Rom wrote: | | Here they use their car for driving 500 m to the neighbor. |
Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population......Environment has been destroyed by population that does not produce food.
This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food......It cannot sustain a society where 50% of world population produces food for 100% of population .......and the remaining 50% is engaged in production and marketing of Consumer Goods and Services.
In Industrial Society a fraction of population produces Food for entire population......The rest of the population [which means most of the people living in Cities and Urban Areas] creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied.....which leads to Extra destruction of environment......which makes sustainability an impossibility.
One profession means destruction of environment for one thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.
Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.
Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.
Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Environment in just 250 years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research .....and lots of other work.
Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.
Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums, Golf Courses and other sports facilities.
Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.
Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.
Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.
Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.
We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.
Industrial Society trying to save environment is like Petrol trying to extinguish a Fire.
Environment has been destroyed by Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.
Industrial Activity has destroyed Forests, Rivers and Oceans....It has produced Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste......It has killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement and concrete.
Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years.
Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods and Services must stop immediately.........Industrial Activity must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.
This planet can provide resources for simple living....not for consumerist living.
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment |
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leon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Without industrial society we won’t be able to sustain 7 billion people on this planet, maybe only 10 times less. So 9 of 10 people need to die in the name of the good cause, of course.
Are you volunteering to go? |
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Rom
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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"This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.."
I don't like facts that are based upon fantasy. Here there is nothing to support this general "iron law", except fantasy. After studying most subjects at university I should know this "law" if it was known to science. |
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Rom
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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"rather half dead Khazarian horse"
Leon, remember how easily I arrested you on your illusion about you own race (??)
You became speechless .... Do you want me to spell out what is factual? |
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leon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| No, I don't |
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Yurik
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Kaczynski anybody?
I'm learning about this stuff. and find it interesting as fuck.
I'm in between. Cause I hate the idea of singularity but I'm not looking to live in the forest/jungle and be an anarcho-primitivist.
I can understand Leon but at the same time. I need some clarity. |
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leon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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"Cause I hate the idea of singularity"
Yeah, yeah... exactly the problem with modern generation. They think that there is no such thing as absolute truth, that everything is about point of view and popularity ratings. "I like"/"I dislike" |
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Yurik
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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how do you figure?
you think Im some new age dope? that we should all hold hands and sing koombaya until what? I don't even know.
Im not understanding you're absolute truth comment? are you saying our merging with tech is inevitable? I agree. I just don't like that reality.
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On Transhumanism
The destiny of the human race is not to be lured into the machine by the silicone magi working on behalf of the psychopathic elite. This is technopathology bait n' switch con artistry. Once humans merge with the machine they will become prisoners of the programmers - thus depriving humanity of our true destiny to evolve to the next level of creative consciousness awareness. The mad scientists and psychopathic overlords only have one agenda and that is to reduce the human potential to that of a genie trapped within the Transhumanist bottle from which there is no escape.
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