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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able capture the bogey as it peeked out and then a quick edit occurs to well after the explosion. These guys did not see a plane and were confused as to how the south tower exploded. There's little doubt they made mention of the object and that audio would've been edited out too. There are countless videos with the impact edited out because they weren't going to insert fake plane images into all of them. You can see him pan to the right when that little bogey caught his eye.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 911 commission, properly and logically concluded that 175 had to fly over New York Bay in its final seconds, therefore, any object seen west of the towers could not be flight 175. The shadow between the towers seen in three broadcasts is that of the drone because the official flight path, logically could not have flown east of T1 in its final 3-5 seconds, which is required to create the shadow.

Any crapologist who uses the unofficial flight path of 175 cirlcing Newark, is ignoring the official flight path, which has 175 nowhere near it, whether north or south of it in flight. Officially, fake 175 never circled Newark, but most of New Jersey, and anyone who suggests it, is a liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJX2fStDMo4&list=PL1C1F97A9B8B8D8AE&index=143&feature=plpp_video



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All folks who filmed the bogey felt obligated and/or afraid for their lives before turning over their footage to law enforcement. If it was a bird or something else, why edit at that moment and we already have 4 broadcasts with the object in it where media lunatics call it the plane once they realize it was the only thing in their respective footage. I would not be surprised if these foia releases left out the owners names.

The most important thing about this angle, is the northeast view, which would have shown the orb circle the south tower, literally. We have techmac's cgi with no right wing for proof of someone cropping out that same NE view and impossible turn.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whomever Cloud turned his footage over to, added a black blob. Clifton, did not hear nor see a plane. It would have been coming from his left. Clifton, debunks all video fakery shown on 911. Advance to 2:00 for his real-time account. He says it over and over and over and over. He didn't see a plane because there was no plane to see. The blob cannot be seen south of where it magically appeared. He was about a mile east of the towers and slightly north.

"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, no plane hit nothin', the building exploded from the other tower floors down."


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTkzxaHAcNc

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=apollo_gnomon;1060712441] there are zero clips of "no planes" .

The number of clips showing planes is more than zero.

The number of clips showing "no planes" is zero.

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There's no plane in this video. The east and west shots are inconsistent, but the fake plane would be seen south of the square building in the open sky had it been inserted. No cgi was added to this clip.




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[QUOTE=Unbidden Wrath;551044]Where are the planes and the passengers? They took off. They did not arrive.


Where are the planes and the passengers? They took off. They did not arrive.


Where are the planes and the passengers? They took off. They did not arrive.


Where are the planes and the passengers? They took off. They did not arrive.[/QUOTE]

The truth of no planes doesn't have the burden of proving a lie, but belongs to those who say there were planes. Any modern day 911 debate would be about video fakery and the existence of a small object that wasn't a plane or chopper.




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[QUOTE=yankee451;229805]I don't get all that out of the thread, but I have made a fool out of myself with these videos before. Does that make me a truthling?

So are you saying the media which broadcast cartoon planes are to be trusted when they claim this is real? Was it a plane then?

What do you believe it was?[/QUOTE]

It wasn't a plane. The media initially either didn't see it, pretended not to see it, or mistook it for a chopper and ultimately were forced to call it 'the plane'. It casts its own shadow confirming it was real and not an artifact. It was a remotely controlled object which apparently was some type of ignition device for the bombs planted inside the south tower.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=yankee451;229835][QUOTE=;229832]

OR perhaps they deliberately released the footage as they did so that people will waste time chasing shadows. You have considered this possibility, right? The best way to control the opposition is to lead it, after all. Are you sure you're not chasing false leads?

Except that the CIA has owned the media since the 40s. I repeat, are you certain you are not chasing shadows? If you have no record of this orb, and no idea what it is except for a blob on a blurry video, might it not be part of the propaganda barrage which is STILL so successful? Nothing complicated about introspection.

I say it was purposefully released as propaganda to give gullible people something to talk about, and I have precedence to back up that claim; something alien to this thread.

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This was posted about truthers from another forum which describes quite well why nothing will ever happen on conspiracy forums. The bold has you written all over it. The government did not produce an orb during three live NY broadcasts so they could say it was a plane. That's more insane than calling it a plane.

The truth movement discredits themselves. There is no need for the government to intervene.

How convenient it must be though to argue from the position of everything that does not support your position is part of a government conspiracy.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[QUOTE=Unbidden Wrath;553273]I hope not.

Besides, that would require this guy to actually have a mind. He clearly lost it, a long time ago.

Just another crackpot, with a deranged obsession. You see these guys stood on street corners, ranting at nothing, and smelling of piss.[/QUOTE]

You desperately hope not, but know thousands have seen that an orb could never be flight 175, so you bank on the few jackasses who post goats and laugh at their inability to prove a lie.

Besides, accepting 911 facts would require an open mind to reject the obvious fiction expected of all Americans. I bravely, honestly, and relentlessly posted facts that haven't been challenged on any level, except one time on political forum and that guy backed down.

You are a crackpot with a deranged obsession for denying reality who clings to plain and simple fiction. We see you trolls hanging out on desolate message boards posting nonsense.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't need to prove they're dead. They were alive, took off in the aircraft and were never seen again. They're dead, you fucking idiot. In the real world, you ignorant, the prosecution would have evidence of these supposed dead passengers, but in reality there is no proof that they are dead. And, of course you could not prove this lie or any other on 911. You would have to provide pictures of them, family of them, friends of them, and funerals for all of the them. You are batting 0.:pound:

The orb ain't a plane and that's something you could never prove.
Funny. The footage looks disturbingly plane-like. Prove it and submit your findings to the authorities. Prove a dot's 175 and then you got something.

I proved at least two images were fake and there isn't a single image of a boeing with markings.
You proved nothing, if you cannot 'prove' it for every one of the thousands of different film rolls. Were it this fucking 'plane' you keep squalling about, it would NOT be an orb in 4 broadcasts. It is not. There were no planes.:tong1:

Because they were in on it.LOL
Hence the term 'whistle blower', idiot. There hasn't been a single one. A whistle blower is more someone who sees corruption and reports it. You are an idiot. No need for anyone because the videos prove no planes.

I have no idea but the media called an orb a plane, so, the coverup was a retarded failure.
If you 'have no idea', you're full of shit; your theory dependent as it is upon such. Nah. The defense does not have to prove anything but the footage proves that flight 175 was not involved.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

700 other architects and engineers, calls for a more thorough investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Buildings, three years ago.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[QUOTE=Patriot911;1061101258] Plane coming in from the west? Nope. More inability for you to think of anything in three dimensions.
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The area right of the towers when facing south will always be west and plenty of witnesses said west, over Newark, or from the Jersey side. It all means west, which was not flight 175. You're simply a defeated liar.

CNN.com - Transcripts
This man had a north view of the towers and saw the drone coming from the west.

OK, we actually have an "Eyewitness News" reporter, Dr. J. Atlasberg (ph) who was downtown at the time and he is on the phone with us live.

Dr. J., what can you tell us?

DR. J. ATLASBERG (ph), REPORTER: Hello, Steve.

I'm actually uptown at 86th and Riverside. I can see the World Trade Center from about half the building up to the top. And about five minutes ago, as I was watching the smoke, a small plane -- I did -- it looked like a propeller plane, came in from the west.

And about 20 or 25 stories below the top of the center, disappeared for a second, and then explode behind a water tower, so I couldn't tell whether it hit the building or not. But it was very visible, that a plane had come in at a low altitude and appeared to crash into the World Trade Center.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=skanny;1060734465]evidence ? ... depends what you call "evidence" doesnt it?

using crap fuzzy very low quality heavily distorted badly compressed clips from youtube is not evidence alone now is it?


why dont the no planers source the originals and go buy themselves some copies then make a short video showing the same distortions and artifacts that the no planers claim appear to show cgi / holographic projections of planes.

i have to admit if that happened and it showed the same abnormalities as claimed from the badly distroted clips that are doing the rounds, people would have to rethink their assertions to 9/11.[/quote]

Using crap fuzzy very low quality heavily distorted badly compressed clips from youtube is not evidence of real boeings.

Why don't the plane idiots source the originals and go buy themselves some copies and make a short video showing something different than blurry black blobs with wings and engines displaced that all support cgi planes? Because they know that all plane photographs and videos are easily proven fakes.

You have to admit if that happened and it showed real boeings as you don't claim, then honest thinking folks would have to rethink their conclusions that jackass fakery was used on 911. A real boeing banking left does not move the right engine closer to the fuselage.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=Patriot911;1061112321]Live in denial all you want. The fact of the matter is the pictures would line up if you posted a picture of a 767 in the same position. The photo isn't a fake. Can't say the same about the integrity of truthers.[/quote]

The fake image proves it's fake on its own. I just pointed out how it was fake in numerous ways. As I said, the flap is open on the front of the left wing, attached to air. The flap is open on the rear of the left wing on the real plane. THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=dontdrinkurmilk;1060735901]Is that image really clear enough to see what state the flaps are in?[/quote]

I suppose one could enter the double standard argument that the images or video aren't good enough to conclude they were faked but that would apply to not concluding they were real either. Making these images so poor leads to this type of cop-out excuse. That said, the image depicts two impossibilities, with the open flap being unexplainable.

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