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IronClad



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The British moves are still not consistant with the fact American oil companies have set up shop there with all the imperfections in the country.

It is only consistant if the British moves are window dressing or they want a power in Somalia to take charge of the country and nationalize the oil.

How many times this story is being posted in this thread ain't going to change that.

War cannot be on the agenda. Not when Peace One Day has so many followers

http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=A/55/PV.111&Lang=E

Anyone heard of 'em?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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leon
I doubt that.


I hope you are right for our all sake and all they are after is another helpless country in Africa with some oil.
However, my gut feeling tells me otherwise. Like Hitler in 39-40 they’re circling closer and closer to where there real target is – Russia.
It is Libya before Syria, Syria before Iran, Iran before Russia and Russia before China (at least in their perfect game plan). Everything else is just an additional benefit.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But don't you see, Leon, they don't know how to take Iran. They only know how to start a WW III that will destroy all of us. As I have pointed out, who are the Illuminati cabal is very obvious, they will be murdered if they start a WW III. The head of the snake is in Who is Who. Take Bill Mahler... he is one. He thinks he is fooling us :)))

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http://news.antiwar.com/2012/02/24/us-eu-arab-states-push-for-un-peacekeeping-forces-in-syria/
"There are various options for intervention being considered, but U.S. officials have increasingly hinted at sending direct military support to Syria’s fragmented, violent, unreliable opposition. As Clinton said on Thursday, ”There will be increasingly capable opposition forces,” she said. “They will, from somewhere, somehow, find the means to defend themselves as well as begin offensive measures.” "
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As we remember from last war with Hisbollaz the Israeli soldiers became pretty shellshocked and preferred the IEA to do the fighting... the "opposition" is less capable that IDF?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starting a thermonuclear conflict and destroying the majority of the world population is what they want, at least one major faction of London-centered financiers. I know how crazy it sound for us, normal human being, but don’t forget that they are most certainly not and think of themselves as new Olympians.

The other faction just want to slowly suffocate us in the imposed bullshit unnecessary austerity and let us die off on our own without poisoning the earth atmosphere with radiation for centuries to come.

Which way do you prefer to go?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon
"Starting a thermonuclear conflict and destroying the majority of the world population is what they want, "

Using Tarpley "they" will be the "oligarchs"? Can you give us link for that to Tarpley's site?

Leon
"at least one major faction of London-centered financiers."

And another link here? So we can get the full picture of what we are facing.

(I am pretty sure we will find Tarpley is an insider like Christopher Story. Brzezinski knows too much, George Friedman knows to much, and Tarpley also knows too much? Let us not assume everything, likeTarpley being completely honest)

They cannot dominate media without some personalities as "ankers" . Let us identify these foxies....
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Britain leads dash to explore for oil in war-torn Somalia

Government offers humanitarian aid and security assistance in the hope of a stake in country's future energy industry

Mark Townsend and Tariq Abdinasir
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 25 February 2012 21.04 GMT



Engineers and visitors tour an exploratory well in Somalia's semi-autonomous Puntland region. Photograph: Reuters

Britain is involved in a secret high-stakes dash for oil in Somalia, with the government offering humanitarian aid and security assistance in the hope of a stake in the beleaguered country's future energy industry.

Riven by two decades of conflict that have seen the emergence of a dangerous Islamic insurgency, Somalia is routinely described as the world's most comprehensively "failed" state, as well as one of its poorest. Its coastline has become a haven for pirates preying on international shipping in the Indian Ocean.

David Cameron last week hosted an international conference on Somalia, pledging more aid, financial help and measures to tackle terrorism. The summit followed a surprise visit by the foreign secretary, William Hague, to Mogadishu, the Somali capital, where he talked about "the beginnings of an opportunity'' to rebuild the country.

The Observer can reveal that, away from the public focus of last week's summit, talks are going on between British officials and Somali counterparts over exploiting oil reserves that have been explored in the arid north-eastern region of the country. Abdulkadir Abdi Hashi, minister for international cooperation in Puntland, north-east Somalia – where the first oil is expected to be extracted next month – said: "We have spoken to a number of UK officials, some have offered to help us with the future management of oil revenues. They will help us build our capacity to maximise future earnings from the oil industry."

British involvement in the future Somali oil industry would be a boon for the UK economy and comes at a time when the world is increasingly concerned about the actions of Iran, the second-biggest oil producer in Opec.

Hashi, in charge of brokering deals for the region's oil reserves, also said Somalia was looking to BP as the partner they wanted to "help us explore and build our oil capacity". He added: "We need those with the necessary technical knowhow, we plan to talk to BP at the right time."

Somali prime minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali said his government had little choice but to entice western companies to Somalia by offering a slice of the country's natural resources, which include oil, gas and large reserves of uranium. "The only way we can pay [western companies] is to pay them in kind, we can pay with natural resources at the fair market value."

Britain is not the only country looking to develop Somalia's vast natural resources. Last month oil exploration began in Puntland by the Canadian company Africa Oil, the first drilling in Somalia for 21 years. Hashi, who sealed the Africa Oil deal, said the first oil was expected to be extracted within the next "20 to 30 days".

The company estimates there could be up to 4bn barrels (about $500bn worth at today's prices) in its two drilling plots. Other surveys indicate that Puntland province alone has the potential to yield 10bn barrels, placing it among the top 20 countries holding oil. Chinese and US firms are among those understood to have also voiced interest about the potential for oil now that, for the first time in 20 years, the country is safe enough to drill.

Yet it is the extent of oil deposits beneath the Indian Ocean that is most exciting Somali officials. One said the potential was comparable to that of Kuwait, which has more than 100bn barrels of proven oil reserves. If true, the deposits would eclipse Nigeria's reserves – 37.2bn barrels – and make Somalia the seventh largest oil-rich nation.

The state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corporation has tried to acquire an interest in Somalia's reserves. Senior officials from the Somali transitional government are adamant that the imminent extraction of oil in Puntland next month would kickstart a scramble from the multinationals.

On Thursday, the last day of the London conference, BP and Shell unveiled an initiative to support job-creation projects in the coastal regions of Somalia. A subsidiary of Shell was thought to have acquired exploration concessions in Puntland before the descent into lawlessness in 1991.

A BP spokesman said there were "no plans" to work in Somalia and no official had recently visited the country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/25/britain-oil-dash-somalia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/25/somalia-alshabaab-oil-west



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Somalia’s President: Still the ‘best hope,’ or leader of a failed state?



Somali President Sheikh Sharif Shiekh Ahmed addressed world leaders this week at the United Nations, asking for international support for his war-torn country. MICHELLE SHEPHARD/TORONTO STAR

LONDON—There was a time when Somalia’s future rested on the shoulders of Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, the trim and bespectacled Sufi scholar appointed president three years ago and the leader busy greeting visitors this weekend in suite 309 of his Park Lane hotel.

Sharif had come to London for Thursday’s conference on Somalia — a gathering of world leaders from 55 countries, hosted by U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron — which catapulted the East African nation on to the world stage.

On Saturday night, the lobby of the Grosvenor House where Sharif stayed was crowded with a British delegation of Somalis from Kismayo, a hotly contested port city on Somalia’s southern coast.

They had been there most of the day and were getting impatient, having waited hours to have a word with their president.

By the time Sharif was whisked in with his team of British security agents, there was only an hour left before he had to depart for Heathrow Airport and his flight home. His stressed advisers were keen not to turn the group away without at least a handshake and a nod.

“London traffic,” one of Sharif’s team explained to the group and apologized that our interview, now 2.5 hours late, would have to be cut to five minutes (it lasted 10).

Osman Abdi, a businessman who worked with oil company Chevron in southern Somalia in the mid-1980s, was among those waiting, but unlike the others, he was not here to cheer Sharif on.

“Some people just blame Western powers for the problems of Somalia, but I blame ourselves. It’s our land and we should run it properly,” Abdi said.

“The people who run the country now are not properly qualified. I’m sorry to say that the most corrupt leaders are the ones now. . . not just them, but the people around them.”

It is not an uncommon refrain among Somalis fed up with the ineptitude of the Transitional Federal Government Sharif heads — particularly upset that Sharif was a part of the political squabbling that led to the dismissal of the country’s popular former prime minister last year.

Sharif has been described as everything from a political chameleon who acquiesces to outside pressures from the West, United Nations or neighbouring countries or, alternatively, as a well-intentioned, but hapless leader at the mercy of corrupt Somali backers.

Time will judge his popularity, since one consensus of last week’s conference was that Somalia’s TFG would come to an end in August and the country would prepare for elections.

Sharif confirmed in our brief interview Saturday that he intends to run for the presidency once the TFG’s term expires.

“Why not?” he said in Somali. “Like any other, I have the right to contest.”

But while Sharif was a much-sought figure among Somalis here, he did not figure prominently in last week’s conference, breaking with a past focus on his leadership.

In 2006, as head of Somalia’s Islamic Courts Union, Washington regarded him warily, while in southern and central Somalia he was feted for the security the ICU restored. “There is light at the end of the tunnel,” he told me in an interview in Mogadishu just two months before Ethiopia invaded to oust the ICU, plunging Somalia into two years of war.

With Ethiopia’s withdrawal in 2009 and Sharif’s appointment to the head of the new TFG, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared him the “best hope” for Somalia in years.

But what has he accomplished? Allegations of corruption continue to plague the TFG, last year’s famine killed an estimated 29,000 children, and while the Shabab’s power is largely diminished, it is thanks mainly to the presence of an African Union force and offensive led by neighbouring Kenya.

“We came at a really bad time, a hard situation and there have been lots of obstacles,” Sharif said.

Unlike Abdi, Sharif does blame foreign powers for Somalia’s woes.

“We believe that a lot of money has been generated in the name of Somalia, but it never reaches government shores, never comes into the hands of the Somali government, or the people,” he says, to allegations of corruption within his ranks, saying the theft extends back to donor countries.

When asked what he believed what was the most important result of the conference, Sharif replied: “That the Somali process has to be supported (and) the Somali armed forces had to be built, because, ultimately, they’ll have to take over security.”

The African Union force of Ugandan and Burundi troops secured Mogadishu last year and on the eve of the conference pushed the Shabab, the Al Qaeda-linked group, from their stronghold in Baidoa. The mission, known as AMISOM, expanded last week to include Kenyan forces and an increase of troops to almost 18,000.

Sharif, who at first opposed Kenya’s incursion last year, said he supported the initiative since the Kenyans will now be operated under the AU.

“One of the objections we had was that they needed a mandate when they came into the country,” he said.

The battle with the Shabab will drive much of the ensuing peace process.

Shabab leaders were not invited to the conference and the group’s spokesperson said the meeting smacked of colonization, telling London journalist Jamal Osman that “your peace depends on us being left alone.”

Sharif has called for negotiations with some of the group’s members opposed to the recent merger with Al Qaeda, but denied rumours that government officials were involved in meetings purportedly underway in Qatar.

“If Qatar is able to find people within those elements that are going to stop their Al Qaeda ways and are ready to negotiate and be part of the Somali process, then of course, by all means (we’ll be involved),” he said.

“But that is not the case.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1137026--somalia-s-president-still-the-best-hope-or-leader-of-a-failed-state?bn=1

http://www.channel4.com/news/your-peace-depends-on-us-being-left-alone

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nervously, world powers eye greater Somalia action

Somalia might still be described as the "world's worst failed state", but international enthusiasm for involvement there is ticking up to levels not seen since the 1994 withdrawal of international peacekeepers.

Following the October 1993 "Blackhawk Down" debacle in which 18 US servicemen and well over a thousand Somalis died in a botched Mogadishu battle, world powers have largely left Somalia to anarchy, chaos and conflict. Some estimates suggest more than a million people may have died since Somalia's last government collapsed in 1991.

But Thursday's London conference on Somalia -- which brought together representatives of more than 40 countries including U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon -- appeared to be the latest sign that approach might be beginning to shift, Reuters reports.

Officials say growing worries over Somalia becoming perhaps the leading global haven for Islamist militancy and the rising cost of Somali piracy -- estimated to cost the global economy some $7 billion a year -- helped spur action.

"For two decades politicians in the West have too often dismissed the problems in Somalia as simply too difficult and too remote to deal with," British Prime Minister David Cameron told the summit. "Engagement has been sporadic and half-hearted. That fatalism has failed Somalia. And it has failed the international community too."

But with the capital Mogadishu largely under transitional government and peacekeeper control, Islamist group Al Shabaab on the back foot and apparent if largely unexpected progress against piracy and a regional hunger crisis, a cautious optimism is also driving involvement.

The examples of semi-independent and relatively stable enclaves such as Somaliland and other non-Al Shabaab held areas -- and now perhaps Mogadishu itself -- are boosting international hopes the country might not be as ungovernable as previously feared.

"We are moving Somalia from the "too difficult" box into the "difficult" box," said one Western official.

While many officials, analysts and Somalis themselves remain sceptical, leaders such as Britain's Cameron and Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan appear increasingly to see the country as an arena on which they can show global and personal leadership.

CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE?

In August, Erdogan became the first non-African leader in years to visit the country, part of a wider strategy positioning Turkey as a growing regional and global power. Turkish firms have also begun major reconstruction projects in the country including an airport, spurring Somali hope other investors from other countries will now follow.

Whilst United Nations and Western diplomats -- and indeed Somalia's government itself -- have largely based themselves in neighbouring Kenya, Turkey has opened relief camps within Somalia and an embassy in Mogadishu.

Others now look set to follow.

The UN is already relocating its political office to Mogadishu, while Britain said it was also looking to reopen its long-closed embassy. U.S. Secretary of State Clinton was more noncommittal, but she too talked of moving to a "more permanent" U.S. diplomatic presence in the country.

Attendees at the summit made it clear Somalia's current internationally-backed transitional government was expected to stand down when its mandate expires in August. In its place, foreign officials hope, will be a new government that should be more representative and accountable, drawing up a new constitution.

"The August deadline probably isn't realistic," said Adjoa Anyimadu, a researcher and Somali specialist at London-based think tank Chatham House. "But the idea of a government chosen by Somalis rather than the international community is a good one. We're almost certainly not talking true democratic elections at this stage but any more accountable process is better... And there's no doubt the international community is more confident than it was on Somalia "

British officials say that while the London conference did not yield any one particular breakthrough or agreement, it did help speed activity on a range of fronts necessary to build on recent successes.

Indian Ocean nations agreed several steps to tackle piracy, moving to track the payment of ransoms and pin down pirate kingpins as well as setting up new agreements by which countries in the region would try and imprison pirates captured at sea.

Successful hijackings of merchant ships fell sharply in the second half of 2011 largely due to greater use of private armed guards and a more aggressive approach by naval forces, international maritime officials say.

There were also multiple new pledges of humanitarian aid for the Horn of Africa. Aid agencies say malnutrition and hunger remained widespread there, but that a robust and rapid response to last year's drought staved off more serious starvation.

HEIGHTENED MILITARY INTERVENTION

But 18 years after U.S. and UN peacekeepers mounted their humiliating retreat, there is also growing apparent appetite for heightened military intervention.

A British-sponsored UN Security Council resolution agreed the expansion of the African Union AMISOM mission from 12,000 to a surprisingly precise 17,731. That figure would include new Sierra Leonean and Ugandan troops, a senior U.S. State Department official said, as well as placing thousands of Kenyan troops already in the country under AU command.

Troops from Ethiopia -- which fought a controversial US-backed campaign against Somali Islamists between 2006 and 2009 -- also re-entered the country late last year and this week captured the key southern town of Baidoa alongside Somali forces. Ethiopian troops will not come under the AU mission and say they will withdraw once stability is restored.

Somalia's transitional government would clearly like more support. In interviews and during the conference itself, Somali Prime Minister Abdiwell Mohammed Ali said repeatedly that he would welcome foreign air strikes against Al Qaeda and Al Shabaab targets providing there were no collateral civilian casualties. Al Shabaab recently announced it was allying itself to Al Qaeda.

Secretary of State Clinton bluntly rejected the call, saying that whilst she was no military strategist she knew enough to know that such strikes would be "a bad idea". Instead, she pledged a tougher line on enforcement of sanctions -- particularly blocking charcoal exports to Middle Eastern countries believed a major source of Al Shabaab funding.

But early on Friday, Somali officials said there did appear to have been an airstrike in southern Somalia -- perhaps one of the largest so far -- killing at least three foreign Al Shabaab fighters. Analysts say that while it is not entirely clear who launched that or previous similar strikes, U.S. unmanned drones appear the most likely suspects.

"In many ways, I think I was more confident before the summit," said Anyimadu at Chatham House. "All this emphasis on security and talk of airstrikes -- there's a real risk we will simply repeat the mistakes of the past."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23874:nervously-world-powers-eye-greater-somalia-action&catid=54:Governance&Itemid=118

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/somalias-so-called-peace-does-not-spare-its-childrens-suffering/story-fnb64oi6-1226283224434




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No smiling in that image.

So, what has Hillary said to Cameron?

Tut tut David you know the US are in Somalia and we can live with the situation there. What is your game?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are telling us the reason, well part of it anyway, that there is no centralised government in somalia, there is no one to deal with, this must be resolved in such a strategic location that is tied to so many economic and geopolitical projects, if we have no one we can deal with ,then there is a problem, either the dictator must be removed for the good of the people,or democracy must be instigated for the good of the people , the list goes on ,you know the script its on tv every night. and not only that we cant have a location as a rallying point for fighters against these ideas if it ever prevailed, we must have a survailance programme initiated through a repressive police force to keep control on the ground. this is basic stuff.
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Not covered in the MSM:

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Scores killed in US drone attack in Somalia



Photo shows the US spy drone that crashed near Halane military base in southern Mogadishu on Wednesday, February 29, 2012.

A US assassination drone has killed scores of people in an attack on the outskirts of Mogadishu, Press TV reports.


Also on Tuesday night, the unmanned American spy planes attacked a number of targets in southern Mogadishu.

In another incident a US spy drone crashed near Halane military base in southern Mogadishu.

Somali officials confirmed that the US drone crashed on Wednesday in the southern part of the capital.

The American military has also used the unmanned aircraft in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq and Yemen. Washington claims the airstrikes target militants but they mostly result in civilian casualties.

Somalia has been without an effective central government and descended into chaos since 1991, when warlords overthrew former junta ruler Mohamed Siad Barre.

Somalia is one of the countries generating the highest number of refugees and internally displaced people in the world.

HSH/JR/HGH

http://www.presstv.com/detail/229260.html





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Radio Somaliweyn director gunned down in Mogadishu



Radio Somaliweyn director Abukar Hassan Kadaf (file photo)

The director of a private Somali radio station has been killed in Mogadishu, Press TV reports.

Three gunmen shot Abukar Hassan Kadaf, the director of Radio Somaliweyn, several times in the head in front of his home in Mogadishu's Wadajir district on Tuesday.

“Kadaf was shot dead by the gunmen... He was rushed to Mogadishu’s Medina hospital but pronounced dead upon arrival,” local journalist Muhiyadin Hassan told Press TV.

No group has claimed responsibility for the killing. Hassan, however, blamed the al-Shabab militant group for the terrorist attack.

Radio Somaliweyn is an independent station based in north Mogadishu. The radio station was attacked in 2010 by al-Shabab rebels, who stole a transmitter and a computer.

Kadaf was the second journalist murdered in Mogadishu this year.

On January 28, 2012, two men armed with pistols shot Hassan Osman Abdi, the managing director of Radio Shabelle, as he was heading home from work. Abdi, who was also known as Hassan Fantastic, died on the spot.

Somalia, which has not had a functioning government since 1991, is one of the most dangerous places in the world for journalists.

Reporters Without Borders (Reporteurs Sans Frontieres), reported in December 2011 that 25 journalists had been killed in Somalia since 2007.

MN/HGL

http://www.presstv.com/detail/229171.html



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3 die in Mogadishu stadium bombing



A Somali government soldier looks at the wreckage of a car bomb that detonated inside the compound of the police central investigations department in Mogadishu, Feb. 17, 2012.


Three spectators have been killed and at least eight people injured in a bomb attack at a football stadium in the Somali capital Mogadishu, Press TV reports.

Witnesses said that two improvised explosive devices were detonated at Minishipio Stadium in the Wardhigley district, which is located in the central area of the capital, at around 5:00 p.m. local time on Monday.

The bombs went off shortly before the football match was about to begin and just as spectators started to take their seats.

Colonel Mohamed Salaad Abdi told the Press TV correspondent in Mogadishu that Somali troops reached the scene immediately after the blast and rushed the injured to the hospital.

Several government officials were also scheduled to attend the match, which was eagerly anticipated by the city’s sports fans.

No group has claimed responsibility for the attack so far.

GJH/MF/HGL

http://www.presstv.com/detail/228984.html

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