Countdown to general war breaking over Syria?

[Rom]

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/12/obama-secretly-preparing-for-syria-intervention/
"[quote]After several weeks of having no top-level administration meetings to discuss the Syria crisis, the National Security Council (NSC) has begun an informal, quiet interagency process to create and collect options for aiding the Syrian opposition, two administration officials confirmed to The Cable.[/quote]

(Sibel Edmonds comments)
Right! According to these ‘reporters’, up until now our imperialistic hawks have been sitting on their butts and doing absolutely nothing on Syria’s months-long prewar crisis! Just read the following by MSM’s favorite source WINEP, and please try not to laugh:

[quote]Andrew Tabler, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said that the administration was caught off-guard by how the opposition became militarized so quickly. The administration’s message had been to urge the opposition to remain peaceful, but that ship has now sailed, he said.[/quote]"
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Sibel Edmonds makes BFN appearing amateurish on reading official news stories. All those small lies in media are FACTUAL, not conspiracy thinking. We can take on these lies, or swim in lies.

[nutroll]

[leon]

Wow, very pro-ish sounding post. Few clarifications, please:

“Who says the London center needs the dollar or the pound after the 3-7years is up if they own assets denominated in other currencies they get on the cheap?”
Well, the dollar has a strong sentimental value for the majority of the population of our little planet. Any major failure of the dollar will lead to popular skepticism toward any new currency and will enormously prolong the Depression.
Regarding the assets on the cheap – yes, that’s right but in Depressional conditions subject to popular sentiments for Nationalization of ill-gotten property.

“Obama is pursing a more cost effective strategy of supporting color revolutions (even if u don't think we are behind it all we are helping it now) rather than the neoconservative version of boots on the ground. Meaningless sabre rattling will continue to occur with Iran but no real actions should be taken.”
Yes, I agree that Obama being the master of deception (or at least he thinks) pursing a more cost effective strategy of supporting color revolutions. But I don’t think it worked in Iran. So military options are very much on the table (look what’s happening now in the Strait of Hormuz). Besides it looks like Obama is totally out of the game now, the US is run by Principles Committee (Hillary, Holder, Panetta, Petraeus)

“Any clue as to why Ru/Ch are abandoning Assad?”
I am not sure where have you gotten that idea? The Syrian shores are bristling with Russian Yakhont supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles that could inflict substantial damage even on American carrier battle group.

[nutroll]

i didn't say Syria, i said Assad , and that question was more directed at fintane since he's the one that brought it up.

dollar sentimental value? comeon ur really stretching it now. Nationalization schemes only serve the interests of the guys that own the country, and if the country happens to be apart of some newly enchanted regional superstate then all it amounts to is a socialist government providing repo man services for a socialist superstate. (the non socialist obstructionists seem to be the german courts right now). Dollar skepticism will be warmly embraced by most europeans and asians as a panacea as the reason for global economic woes in light of severe anti american sentiment they hold. By the time this dollar collapse occurs (i predict slight strengthening in the short/mid term) the Asean block will have significantly decoupled from the american consumer/financial market (having moved to bilateral currency trading with russia , japan, and other asian countries). This will also occur with a newly reconstituted european block (7-10) years out. Once this occurs it will be americas turn. Dissatisfaction with other competing currencies is the only reason the dollar is still viably the worlds reserve.

Sabre rattling to and from Iran doesn't scare me, they aren't going there. Im not much of a military equipment expert, but is my understanding that Iran's only viable delivery system is hezbollah / hamas, and a regime change in syria + the securing of lebanon would give israel a lot more breathing room then messing with Iran directly. Whether that actually plays out that way will have to be seen.

Military games with the Iranian leadership only serves to consolidate the constituencies of both factions and is a shell game. It is no different than the cold war when we were giving Russians industrial capital and financing while at the same time initiating "containment" strategy.

[leon]

US sanctions on Iran's central bank. Tehran has called this an act of war.

DEBKAfile Special Report January 1, 2012.
Obama signs toughest sanctions yet against Iran
On the last day of 2011, US President Barack Obama Saturday signed into law measures penalizing foreign financial institutions doing business with Iran's central bank, Bank Markazi - the toughest sanctions yet for Iran's program for developing a nuclear weapon. In recent weeks, Tehran has repeatedly warned that the signing of this measure would be deemed an act of war and elicit drastic steps including the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

Tehran appears to be heading for a showdown.

Read more: http://www.debka.com/article/21609/

Sounds like there is a little more to "saber rattling” than our friend “NuTroll” wants us to believe. Certain circles on City of London/Wall Street would love to shut down the Strait of Hormuz and have oil increase 500% overnight. That would play nicely into their futures swindles. That would also drastically increase demand for US dollars. Watch for a nice USD pop.

[Rom]

"Certain circles on City of London/Wall Street would love to shut down the Strait of Hormuz and have oil increase 500% overnight. That would play nicely into their futures swindles."

Right, let's say 100%

[leon]

It is time to understand that whenever say China sells or buys from Japan in USD denominated transaction the City of London/Wall Street characters getting to skim from the top without lifting a finger. It is changing fast, more and more direct regional swap facilities are being setup, incidentally one being between China and Japan.

Portion of that ill-gotten income was re-directed to the population of the Host Countries, but lately it is becoming less and less.

Population of the United States, with exception of farming and a few remaining industries, does not produce anything to earn foreign exchange. So it is mostly relies of International Welfare State of affairs when dirt-poor Chinese workers are subsidizing Americans purchases at the Wall Mart.

The only way for the dirty Brutish Empire to reverse the trend is a major war.

[nutroll]

except the bill has a 6 month grace period

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16376072

[leon]

The Strait of Hormuz was de-facto closed for 5 hours on Sunday just due to the fact that Iranian Navy warned of possible missile tests.
Actually, they even do not need to militarily blockade the Strait. All they need is a media hype that will lead to hiked tankers insurance rates set by somebody like Lloyd of London to drive the oil prices through the stratosphere.

We are already getting reports like
Gas prices rise 30 percent in Myanmar for new year
right on the mainstream Yahoo Financials
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gas-prices-rise-30-percent-173455388.html

[nutroll]

Failing to see how that is not mutually beneficial for tehran and the western banks. Neither are currently inclined to slow petrodollar trade , both benefit from sabre ratling before an election cycle. Convienient no?

[leon]

Failing to see how Tehran could benefit from inability to clear the oil payments. What they gonna do with all that oil, drink it?

That is exactly what a consequences of the Bill signed by Obama on December 31, 2011. Granted, there is a 60 days “grace” period, but I fail to see how it is going to help in view that the current tensions are over 7 years old and nothing has been resolved so far.

Iran has unalienable right to protect its borders with all means necessary. That includes Nuclear weapons. The only Nation that proved capable of using nuclear weapons indiscriminately (mostly against civil population) while not defending its territory was United States under the British Asset Truman.

[nutroll]

i think im the one getting trolled...

rising oil prices benefit Tehran, THEY ARENT ACTUALLY GONNA CLOSE THE STRAITS OR GOTO WAR. ITS A GAME. speculators drive price up on news , helping Iran (who is conveniently unwilling to dump the petrodollar right now, see previous posts) and the exchanges.

war with Iran is not on the books (yet?). This is about both sides looking good to their constituents in an election cycle and boosting the petro dollar at the same time.

ok one more time (i think this is the 4th time i said this)

this is about both sides PRETENDING like a jersey shore brofest.

[leon]

Iran provokes showdown, warns US carrier not to return to Persian Gulf
http://www.debka.com/article/21615/

In another heated escalation over the strategic Strait of Hormuz, Iran
Tuesday, Jan. 3, threatened to take action if the US aircraft carrier which "moved to the Sea of Oman because of our drill returns to the Persian Gulf." Army chief Lt. Gen. Ataolla Salehi said:" Iran will not repeat this warning."

He referred to the USS Stennis as "the enemy's carrier," which "I recommend and emphasize… not return to the Persian Gulf." He avoided naming the US vessel or the details of action Iran might take if it returned.
debkafile's military sources report that the Stennis transited the Strait of Hormus Wednesday, Dec. 28 and entered the Sea of Oman where Iran was staging a naval drill. Washington was demonstrating freedom of navigation in the international strait through which one-fifth of the worlds exported oil is shipped and underlining Iran's inability to close it to merchant shipping and US warships.

Iran said that its surveillance aircraft and warships tracked and filmed the US carrier's movements in and around Hormuz which it claims to fully control.

Saturday, Dec. 31, Iran announced a long-range missile test-fire would take place over the strait, thereby causing a five-hour stoppage of shipping traffic. Later, an Iranian general said the missile test was delayed. debkafile's Iranian and military sources reported that this was a trick to prove Iran capable of closing the Strait of Hormuz in defiance of strong warnings from Washington.

[leon]

Thousands of US troops deploying to Israel
http://rt.com/usa/news/us-troops-israel-iran-257/


Without much media attention, thousands of American troops are being deployed to Israel, and Iranian officials believe that this is the latest and most blatant warning that the US will soon be attacking Tehran.
Tensions between nations have been high in recent months and have only worsened in the weeks since early December when Iran hijacked and recovered an American drone aircraft. Many have speculated that a back-and-forth between the two countries will soon escalate Iran and the US into an all-out war, and that event might occur sooner than thought.
Under the Austere Challenge 12 drill scheduled for an undisclosed time during the next few weeks, the Israeli military will together with America host the largest-ever joint missile drill by the two countries. Following the installation of American troops near Iran’s neighboring Strait of Hormuz and the reinforcing of nearby nations with US weapons, Tehran authorities are considering this not a test but the start of something much bigger.

[duaneh]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/01/sunday-morning-gossip-and-intel-and-welcome-2012/