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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a clusterfuck.

then you got a crooked idiot like Maurice "Hank" Greenberg suing the US Treasury for $25B cuz he lost money in the "bailout." (so isn't he actually just suing a proxy of the private banking monopoly, the Fed, which is just the authorized thief of the the taxpaying public?)

people have lost their direction is what they lost.

not surprising that the Egyptian Cabinet is resigning. what goes on behind closed doors will be reflected on the streets.

wouldn't it be amazing to have live cam follow every politician and ceo so the people can tune in to any one they wish? how would these MF's like that for a change?

if there is a merciful G-d, It needs to act now. we are in an unwinnable world war with no moral leaders in a position to fix this. i mean, the rising up of citizens all over is not a clue that business-as-usual doesn't work??

fundamentally, isn't this the "market" trying to correct itself?

news to the world: religion has failed you and so has the market. what's left is control by way of thugs... so in essence, the curtain has been drawn open and we see the wizard for sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



At least 50,000 people have gathered in Tahrir Square,
and numbers are growing as darkness falls on Tuesday.


Update 9pm Cairo:
In excess of 100,000 people are in Tahrir Square tonight,
far more than last night although fewer than the millions who filled it
during the January revolution. An activist speaking to Al-Jazeera
describes them as "the conscience of the nation".



There are indications that SCAF Military command are
searching for a solution which would involve a temporary
government of national unity headed by credible figures -
but it's unlikely politicians will participate if the tactic is
just a smokescreen for continued military control.

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The atmosphere was reminiscent of the 18-day uprising that toppled Mubarak, with jubilation over the large turnout mixed with the seething anger directed at the military.

The crowds carried an open wooden coffin with a body of a slain protester wrapped in white and held a funeral in the middle of the square.

A stuffed military uniform was hung from a central light pole with a cardboard sign on its neck saying "Execute the field marshal," a reference to Tantawi, Mubarak's defense minister of 20 years. People cheered when the effigy was hung and state television showed some hitting it with sticks.

Men in the square opened a corridor in the middle of the crowds and formed a human chain to keep it open, giving easy access to motorcycles and ambulances ferrying the wounded to several field hospitals in the square.


The offer by the military have been
rejected and the protests continue:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Details on the latest manuvering by the SCAF command.
Too little. Too much murder of protesters. Too late.

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Egypt military rulers move up power transfer date

By BEN HUBBARD, Associated Press – 9 minutes ago

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's ruling military moved up the date for transferring power to a civilian government to July next year and consulted Tuesday with political parties on forming a new Cabinet. But the major concessions were immediately rejected by tens of thousands of protesters in Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square threatening a "second revolution."

"We are not leaving, he leaves," chanted the protesters, demanding that military ruler Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi and his council of generals immediately give up power to a civilian transitional authority. "The people want to bring down the field marshal," they shouted in scenes starkly reminiscent of the uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak nine months ago.

Aboul-Ela Madi and Mohammed Selim el-Awa, two politicians who attended a five-hour crisis meeting with the military rulers, said the generals accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Essam Sharaf's government and will form a "national salvation" Cabinet to replace it.

Previously, the military rulers had floated late next year or early 2013 as the timetable for transferring power.

The military's concession came less than a week before the first parliamentary election since the ouster nine months ago of longtime authoritarian ruler Mubarak. The elections are staggered over three months.

"Our demands are clear. We want the military council to step down and hand over authority to a national salvation government with full authority," said Khaled El-Sayed, a member of the Youth Revolution Coalition and a candidate in the upcoming parliamentary election. The commander of the Military Police and the Interior Minister, who is in charge of the police, must be tried for the "horrific crimes" of the past few days, he added.


Egyptian protesters know that if the elections are held before the
army command steps down then the status quo will be entrenched.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The head of the SCAF, Field Marshal Tantawi has addressed
the protesters at Tahrir Sq. via State TV


Tantawi's speech punchline: "We will leave only by referendum"

Everyone shouting in #Tahrir "Go Go!"
A very clear message to #Tantawi on his speech.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"We will leave only by referendum"


in other words, when someone quits signing their pay checks?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wed, 23 Nov 2011, 04:13 GMT+3 - Egypt

Morning in Cairo: RT @SamehBrill
#CSF Still hammering gas grenades while approaching #tahrir square now.

RandaAgha RT @MohAbdElHamid:
Security forces are arresting some of the #tahrir doctors,
this is just inhuman.


Police Using Chemical Warfare Against Tahrir Sq. Protesters

Even as yet more standard CS tear gar is raining down on Tahrir Square,
there is growing evidence that not only are security forces using the more
aggressive CR gas, but also an unknown gas which produces symptoms including
body twitching and rolling of the eyes.

Here is telling and medically explicit testimony from a Professor of
Neurology who has treated the victims:

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RT @arabist: Statement from Ain Shams Neurology Professor on TEAR GAS used on #Nov19 - #Nov22 in #TAHRIR #EGYPT: (PLS RT!)

"To the doctors in the field (tahrir and elsewhere), my experience with the gas used by the police: It causes extra-pyramidal symptoms (involuntary jerks in extremities and trunk mimicking a convulsive seizure, occulo-gyric crisis, etc.) and little respiratory distress. The jerking is relieved by low-dose (3-5mg) diluted diazepam given slowly IV.

The type of gas used is still uncertain but it is certainly very acidic and is not the regular tear gas used in January. Please try to capture as many videos as possible of the symptoms for documentation (and eventually legal action)."

http://tl.gd/easdid


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UPDATE - VIDEO CONFIRMING GAS_INDUCED SYMPTOMS


The professor's description of the symptoms notes that there is little
respiratory distress in victims, but other reports speak of suffocation
symptoms similar to cyanide poisoning:

Quote:
ramzyriyad RT @momen81:
#Tahrir Doctor n #FieldHospital told me the corpses coming frm frontline
show signs of cynaide death from the gas blown in air at around 11pm


DinaElMalatawy RT @arwasm: No pregnant ladies in #Tahrir. Please!
We're still trying to figure out what sort of shit is being fired there other
than the confirmed CR.


There have been at least half a dozen fatalities attributed to suffocation - likely from the use of CR gas.

In summary, at least three types of gas appear to be in use -
two of which can produce fatal results.


It's also possible that some of the gas stocks being used have degraded
in the decades of stroage simce their purchase.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tweet from a reputable source:

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occupyindianapo RT @0xAli:
State security is sending it's officers, with silenced guns
to the #tahrir square to assassinate activists/figures.

#Tahrir #Egypt #Hitlist

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Follow the Money:

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Complete Egypt’s revolution

NOV 22, 2011 21:25 EST - David Rohde

For decades, the Egyptian military has operated an economy within an economy in Egypt. With the tacit support of the United States, the armed forces own and operate a sprawling network of for-profit businesses.

The military runs factories that manufacture televisions, bottled water and other consumer goods. Its companies obtain public land at discounted prices. And it pays no taxes and discloses little to civilian officials
.

Within weeks of Hosni Mubarak’s fall in February, experts predicted that the Egyptian military would refuse to relinquish its vast economic holdings or its privileged position in society.

“Protecting its businesses from scrutiny and accountability is a red line the military will draw,” Robert Springborg, an expert on Egypt’s military at the Naval Postgraduate School, told The New York Times. “And that means there can be no meaningful civilian oversight.”

Protesters who are crossing that red line this week should be applauded, not oppressed. Egypt’s tumultuous revolution should be completed.

In increasingly brazen fashion, Egypt’s military has tried to usurp the revolt that toppled Mubarak nine months ago and is transforming the Middle East. The protests this week are a legitimate response to those moves.

In a welcome concession on Tuesday, Egypt’s 76-year-old army chief, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, offered in a televised speech to hand over power to a civilian president by next July. Protesters are right, though, to react with skepticism. The military has botched a transition it initially said would last six months.


In a blistering report issued on Monday, Amnesty International accused the country’s military of suppressing dissent as brutally as the Mubarak regime.

The report assailed its violent response to this week’s protests, which have left 36 people dead and more than 1250 wounded.

The aims and aspirations of the January 25 revolution have been crushed,” Philip Luther, the group’s Middle East and North Africa director, said in statement. “The brutal and heavy-handed response to protests in the last few days bears all the hallmarks of the Mubarak era.

The ruling military council has refused to revoke the country’s Mubarak-era “emergency law,” which allows arrest without trial and sends civilians in military courts. As of August, roughly 12,000 Egyptian civilians had been tried in “grossly unfair” military courts, according to Amnesty. At least 13 have been sentenced to death. At the same time, the courts have “ruthlessly suppressed” civilians who criticize military rule, including journalists, bloggers and striking workers.....

http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2011/11/23/complete-egypt%E2%80%99s-revolution/

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They are attacking the field hospitals again........ #tahrir
5 minutes ago

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this must be scary for the engineers of the initial rising because it now looks like we have an uncontrolled uprising,time to start pounding shoe leather and manouvre their men to line up for the takeover. by the way didnt there used to be a pro global rapist flavoured(or anti gadaffi ,just get the job done) topic on libya on this forum?, havent looked in in a while, might been dreamin it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nonplacebo wrote:

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by the way didnt there used to be a pro global rapist flavoured (or anti gadaffi, just get the job done) topic on libya on this forum?



I just wet myself, for the first time in years.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote:
by the way didnt there used to be a pro global rapist flavoured
(or anti gadaffi, just get the job done) topic on libya on this forum?


ATM: I just wet myself, for the first time in years.

Me too. Laughing
Laughable inherent racism and black/white vision in that comment.

The CIA Fakes and left gatekeepers are insisting that Iran, Tunisia,
Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain etc. etc. are all imperialist coups. In this racist
view, the people's of these Arab nations are dumb fucks who don't even
own their own revolution.

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this must be scary for the engineers of the initial rising
because it now looks like we have an uncontrolled uprising

Twisted logic here? : the first Egyptian rising was a staged one -
and for some reason the second revolt is a real one??

The simpler explanation: the US-backed Egyptian army willingly tossed
Mubarak to the wolves to buy time - and that time is now up.

But the gatekeepers simplistic black/white worldview goes like this:

Hillary Clinton - she imperialist running dog.
Psychodaffi - he noble hero and innocent victim.

In Reality:

China and Russia didn't oppose the NATO mission. Why? Because nobody
wanted a four year long faction battle in Libya - and everybody wanted the
oil to keep flowing (global economy in enough shit already, without that).

So the backroom deal was: NATO goes in to make it short and sharp.
And in return for NATO agreeing not to screw around with Russian and
Chinese strategic interests in Libya - they step aside.

In any event, if Psychodaffi hadn't been so dumb as to attack Benghazi,
there wouldn't have been any way to justify moving against him.

The idiot dug his own grave. Good riddance.

I just pray Clinton meets the same fate one day. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update on the "gas" story above
and the sheer scale of casualties:


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Field hospitals set up around the square were overrun with casualties after riot police closed in on tens of thousands of people inside the square. Doctors said there appeared to have been more casualties over the past five days than during most of January, when several thousand people were injured.

Injuries were mostly from gas being fired by troops, who briefly negotiated a truce with demonstrators before violence re-erupted. The Guardian saw two women convulsing violently in a makeshift clinic set up in a church courtyard after inhaling gas. Doctors are reporting large numbers of patients who have reacted severely to the gas being fired. "I have not seen a reaction like this," said one doctor in a triage centre inside a church on a street near Tahrir Square. "We are sending a lot of people to hospital. We can't just treat them here."

In one of the field hospitals a doctor was killed, according to her colleagues and websites. Dr Rania Fouad is believed to have died after inhaling gas.


A more detailed report here:

Quote:
Evidence Mounts of Toxic Gas Use In Tahrir Square
http://t.co/EZg7nyOn

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so has the libya topic dissapeared or was i dreaming?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, goodness gracious moi.

People being shot at.

Shit happens. I have more experience of being SHOT AT than you, sir.

Get over it.

Nothing will change.
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