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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Egyptan government is irrelevant."
"This is protesters versus the SCAF military command."
"Western governments betrayed us."



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is the cause of death - if you are shot?

Low blood pressure! - according to hospital records.

The cover-up of the true death toll is going to plan.

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Another man at the morgue told Ahram Online that two of his relatives were severely wounded during the clashes and that one of them, his nephew, succumbed to his injuries.

The angry man added that the report issued by the hospital stated that his nephew died of severe low blood pressure although it was clear to a naked eye that he had sustained a bullet shot to the neck.

The man also told Ahram Online that the morgue has so far refused to perform forensic check-ups on the dead bodies, and that staff had told him that a hospital report which were based on surface-examinations of corpses

However, the man added that the families of the victims would refuse to leave the morgue unless proper autopsies that establish beyond reasonable doubt the real cause of death were performed.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/27219.aspx


When the death toll was first put at 35, it was quickly "clarified"
that 11 deaths were "unrelated to the protests." In other words,
deaths due to say..... low blood pressure?

Reuters and other western media agencies parroted the official line.

Below, a doctor holds aloft the cause of "low blood pressure"
which has just been extracted from the body of a protester:

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@soliman91

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sharif Kouddous

People head to the front lines with almost certain knowledge they will
eventually be hurt. Yet they go. Shaming SCAF into stepping down.

The sheet number of casualties is difficult to describe. Wounded literally
brought in nonstop. Tahrir has become the worlds biggest hospital

The size of the crowds, the raw energy, the courage. I think people are
gradually beginning to believe they can and will end military rule.

@sharifkouddous



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A group of doctors walk into #Tahrir to cheers http://pic.twitter.com/5DIbBgf8


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tahrir Sq - Live Video Feed


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a clusterfuck.

then you got a crooked idiot like Maurice "Hank" Greenberg suing the US Treasury for $25B cuz he lost money in the "bailout." (so isn't he actually just suing a proxy of the private banking monopoly, the Fed, which is just the authorized thief of the the taxpaying public?)

people have lost their direction is what they lost.

not surprising that the Egyptian Cabinet is resigning. what goes on behind closed doors will be reflected on the streets.

wouldn't it be amazing to have live cam follow every politician and ceo so the people can tune in to any one they wish? how would these MF's like that for a change?

if there is a merciful G-d, It needs to act now. we are in an unwinnable world war with no moral leaders in a position to fix this. i mean, the rising up of citizens all over is not a clue that business-as-usual doesn't work??

fundamentally, isn't this the "market" trying to correct itself?

news to the world: religion has failed you and so has the market. what's left is control by way of thugs... so in essence, the curtain has been drawn open and we see the wizard for sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



At least 50,000 people have gathered in Tahrir Square,
and numbers are growing as darkness falls on Tuesday.


Update 9pm Cairo:
In excess of 100,000 people are in Tahrir Square tonight,
far more than last night although fewer than the millions who filled it
during the January revolution. An activist speaking to Al-Jazeera
describes them as "the conscience of the nation".



There are indications that SCAF Military command are
searching for a solution which would involve a temporary
government of national unity headed by credible figures -
but it's unlikely politicians will participate if the tactic is
just a smokescreen for continued military control.

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The atmosphere was reminiscent of the 18-day uprising that toppled Mubarak, with jubilation over the large turnout mixed with the seething anger directed at the military.

The crowds carried an open wooden coffin with a body of a slain protester wrapped in white and held a funeral in the middle of the square.

A stuffed military uniform was hung from a central light pole with a cardboard sign on its neck saying "Execute the field marshal," a reference to Tantawi, Mubarak's defense minister of 20 years. People cheered when the effigy was hung and state television showed some hitting it with sticks.

Men in the square opened a corridor in the middle of the crowds and formed a human chain to keep it open, giving easy access to motorcycles and ambulances ferrying the wounded to several field hospitals in the square.


The offer by the military have been
rejected and the protests continue:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Details on the latest manuvering by the SCAF command.
Too little. Too much murder of protesters. Too late.

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Egypt military rulers move up power transfer date

By BEN HUBBARD, Associated Press 9 minutes ago

CAIRO (AP) Egypt's ruling military moved up the date for transferring power to a civilian government to July next year and consulted Tuesday with political parties on forming a new Cabinet. But the major concessions were immediately rejected by tens of thousands of protesters in Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square threatening a "second revolution."

"We are not leaving, he leaves," chanted the protesters, demanding that military ruler Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi and his council of generals immediately give up power to a civilian transitional authority. "The people want to bring down the field marshal," they shouted in scenes starkly reminiscent of the uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak nine months ago.

Aboul-Ela Madi and Mohammed Selim el-Awa, two politicians who attended a five-hour crisis meeting with the military rulers, said the generals accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Essam Sharaf's government and will form a "national salvation" Cabinet to replace it.

Previously, the military rulers had floated late next year or early 2013 as the timetable for transferring power.

The military's concession came less than a week before the first parliamentary election since the ouster nine months ago of longtime authoritarian ruler Mubarak. The elections are staggered over three months.

"Our demands are clear. We want the military council to step down and hand over authority to a national salvation government with full authority," said Khaled El-Sayed, a member of the Youth Revolution Coalition and a candidate in the upcoming parliamentary election. The commander of the Military Police and the Interior Minister, who is in charge of the police, must be tried for the "horrific crimes" of the past few days, he added.


Egyptian protesters know that if the elections are held before the
army command steps down then the status quo will be entrenched.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The head of the SCAF, Field Marshal Tantawi has addressed
the protesters at Tahrir Sq. via State TV


Tantawi's speech punchline: "We will leave only by referendum"

Everyone shouting in #Tahrir "Go Go!"
A very clear message to #Tantawi on his speech.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"We will leave only by referendum"


in other words, when someone quits signing their pay checks?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wed, 23 Nov 2011, 04:13 GMT+3 - Egypt

Morning in Cairo: RT @SamehBrill
#CSF Still hammering gas grenades while approaching #tahrir square now.

RandaAgha RT @MohAbdElHamid:
Security forces are arresting some of the #tahrir doctors,
this is just inhuman.


Police Using Chemical Warfare Against Tahrir Sq. Protesters

Even as yet more standard CS tear gar is raining down on Tahrir Square,
there is growing evidence that not only are security forces using the more
aggressive CR gas, but also an unknown gas which produces symptoms including
body twitching and rolling of the eyes.

Here is telling and medically explicit testimony from a Professor of
Neurology who has treated the victims:

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RT @arabist: Statement from Ain Shams Neurology Professor on TEAR GAS used on #Nov19 - #Nov22 in #TAHRIR #EGYPT: (PLS RT!)

"To the doctors in the field (tahrir and elsewhere), my experience with the gas used by the police: It causes extra-pyramidal symptoms (involuntary jerks in extremities and trunk mimicking a convulsive seizure, occulo-gyric crisis, etc.) and little respiratory distress. The jerking is relieved by low-dose (3-5mg) diluted diazepam given slowly IV.

The type of gas used is still uncertain but it is certainly very acidic and is not the regular tear gas used in January. Please try to capture as many videos as possible of the symptoms for documentation (and eventually legal action)."

http://tl.gd/easdid


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UPDATE - VIDEO CONFIRMING GAS_INDUCED SYMPTOMS


The professor's description of the symptoms notes that there is little
respiratory distress in victims, but other reports speak of suffocation
symptoms similar to cyanide poisoning:

Quote:
ramzyriyad RT @momen81:
#Tahrir Doctor n #FieldHospital told me the corpses coming frm frontline
show signs of cynaide death from the gas blown in air at around 11pm


DinaElMalatawy RT @arwasm: No pregnant ladies in #Tahrir. Please!
We're still trying to figure out what sort of shit is being fired there other
than the confirmed CR.


There have been at least half a dozen fatalities attributed to suffocation - likely from the use of CR gas.

In summary, at least three types of gas appear to be in use -
two of which can produce fatal results.


It's also possible that some of the gas stocks being used have degraded
in the decades of stroage simce their purchase.

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