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leon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Even for those who own some land that they could live off of sustainably, as a remedy (for example), those parcels of land may be taken away. Then what? "

Confiscatng things like your 401K pension plans is easy, just do a "snow market job" spruced up by some HFT - and by by my golden ages.

Confiscating things like gold or silver is much harder. Unfortunatly, gold is vulnarable at transaction point, nobody really expects to barter gold or silver DIRECTLY, you will have to exchange it first for some sort of paper.

Confiscating productive land is possible, but in many regards would be useless to the looter. Besides it is leading to REALLY catastrofic conditions, like in Ukrain in 1930 - starvation affected EVERYBODY, including the ones who caused it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear ya...

"Take Glass Steagall, H.R. 1489 pending in Congress - you could start by expressing your support to the members who are sponsoring it or seek organization in your area that supports it."

I don't suppose this piece of legislation was ever pumped by Jim Cramer...

Not that I would expect him to.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS - thanks for that.

Here's the link if anyone wants to show support and send a message to your congressman/woman very simply.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h1489/text

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you who still thinks that it all is just about money, good history video :

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/19044
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leon wrote:
For those of you who still thinks that it all is just about money, good history video :

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/19044


Really enjoyed that short video. Thanks for sharing it. Really sums things up in a nice concise manner that all should see.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18884

Another article from above site leon posted.
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LaRouche Warns of New 9/11 Type "Reichstag Fire"
July 24, 2011 • 8:22AM

A print quality PDF is now available.

In January 2001, Lyndon LaRouche warned in an international webcast of the danger of a Reichstag Fire incident, within that year, with the objective being a dictatorship over the United States. Under the Bush-Cheney regime, the effort came precariously close to fully succeeding. Now the situation is far more desperate, from the standpoint of the London controllers of President Barack Obama. On July 23, LaRouche made the following statements in a meeting with colleagues:

"If you look around the corners of society, you will see that there are operations being staged which have a certain resemblance to 9/11. What was the characteristic then? On the 3rd of January, 2001, I stated—and which shocked the Clinton family very much, both of them, but especially her—I said, 'We're looking at a terrorist operation against the United States, sometime during this year.'

"And it happened.

"The warning signs came. Various deployments were made, in various directions, feints — in other words, of the type you're seeing in Europe and elsewhere now, you see deception operations, a credible threat here, say, Norway; a credible threat there, hmm? Now, there's a real one in there. So why all these threats? Because if you have many different kinds of threats, coming on simultaneously, your attention is diverted, to try to find, which is the real one? Which is the real one?

"Now, if there were the original threat, you could detect it, you could detect its ancestry. But if you have conflicting threats, which each seem to be equally prevalent, as was true in 2001. And what happened? I didn't know what was going to happen; I had all kinds of things I knew were likely to happen. I knew what the threats were, generally. We were working on one, which was being built up around Washington, D.C., below Washington, D.C., into the surrounding areas, into Washington, D.C. itself, for a major targetting against Washington. Now, that did become the attack on Washington, D.C., by one of the craft that was shot into the Pentagon. There were attacks, also, in Washington, D.C., against the White House and other locations. Some of this stuff worked, some of it didn't, but it was all being done.

"So, all of these attacks were given a certain credibility, like what had happened in Italy, in northern Italy earlier, same thing. But then, finally, the 'real one' was the 'mother' — using the 'mother' in the usual ghetto pejorative — exposed herself; exposed herself, right in New York City. The attack was run, by what? The attack was run by two agencies chiefly: The Israelis were in on it, but they were not an active part. They were out there, watching. They were all stationed, in Jersey, looking at the Tower! And then, they skedaddled, afterward. They were looking at the Tower! Why were they gathered there, looking at the Tower? It was an intelligence operation, an Israeli intelligence operation. Because they knew about the attack, and they knew where it was coming from, and they were out there to watch the show.

"It was run by the Saudis, who funded it, indirectly. It was backed by the Saudis, who organized the personnel, which were used for some of the attacks. The Saudi ambassador to Washington, to the United States, was one of the key operators behind the launching of 9/11! In the course of the investigations, it was made absolutely clear, that this was a Saudi-British, that is, BAE, and British intelligence, operation. The money for it was raised by an operation, there.

"When the hearings were held on the 9/11 event, which had been organized with the Bush family!, because the bin Laden family was in Texas at the time of the attack on New York. The whole damned bin Laden family! The same family.

"And after the attack, when the smoke had cleared, and the United States was under siege conditions, occupation-type siege conditions, the whole family were given an escort — the only flight out of the United States, was the family of the Saudi family, were given an escort, safe back to Saudi Arabia! An operation which the Saudis had been a part of planning, and financing, and running.

"So, the investigation occurred, and the meetings were held, and the discussions were had, and then, there were these paragraphs of the report which indicated, positively, what exactly the relationship was, of the Saudi and British operations, in this case.

"It's all there! We don't have all, but we have the indicative evidence, which locates these agencies as being involved in it: Including the Saudi Ambassador to Washington! The operation was run by the BAE, which funded the operation and organized features of it, it was organized by the Saudi Kingdom, the Saudi Monarchy! It was organized by other, collaborating elements within it.

"Now, this was frozen by the Bush Administration. Well, it was the Bush Administration which had organized the attack on the United States! Maybe not poor, stupid Bush, but the Bush interests: It was the Bushes that were holding the family, as guests, down in Texas, at the time the attack occurred. So, we have an act of war, against the United States, and the President of the United States is complicit in covering up the attack, the authorship of the attack. And you respect him? You respect George W. Bush, Jr.? What kind of a creep are you? This guy was guilty, by virtue of his position and the knowledge of his institution, he was guilty of an act of war against the United States! An act of war, actual destruction of American citizens, in an act of war! And the President of the United States was complicit, in covering up that act of war against the United States.

"Now, look at the citizens of the United States! Look at their bravery, the boldness, the efficiency, with which they defended the United States!

"Now, look at the present situation in the light of that. The incumbent President of the United States has just made a new coverup of 9/11!
By suppressing one section of the report, in the findings, said it should be expunged on the grounds of "national security"! When this son-of-a-bitch called the current President of the United States is complicit in the attack on the United States, as an act of war against the people of the United States.

"Now do you know why I'm saying what I'm saying, when you consider this, and similar kinds of institutions? When I say, you're looking at doom? What's the doom, now? The doom is, the bailout."

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been hearing about a 9/11 part II type
event for what seems like ages.
I call bullshit, especially coming from
Larouche. Not happening.

Although an animal can be dangerous
when cornered...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaRouche organization made quite a few unfortunate calls in the last few years. I guess trying to predict an exact moment when such a complex system as world economy would collapse is an impossible task.

Also, in my opinion LaRouche made a 180 degree turn on Imperial destabilizations of the Arab/African countries, initially condemning it and suddenly changing their view.

But they do a good job on putting things in historical perspective, and that is very important.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also disagree with them about role Saudis played in 911. British - oh yes, there is always imperial stink coming from that little isle, but Saudis are just a part of imperial farm.

However, Saudis may have been set up to provide material support to the 911 patsies, that what the patsies are for. LaRouche of all people should know it very well, he had his share of inteligence exposure.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911 was a culmination of 50+ year coup run by British against the republic of the US. It started right after the end of WWII, death of FDR and Wall Street puppet Truman taking over the presidency and starting the unnecessary Cold War with Russia directed by Churchill.
Of course there were prior historical attempts by British to destroy the US, the most close they come during the American Civil War of 1860s right after British successfully destroyed all European governments in 1848 wave of “color revolutions” mostly ran by agent of British Admiralty Giuseppe Mazzini. The only government that was left standing in Europe was Russian, against whom British promptly started a Crimean war in 1853 backed by their French puppet Napoleon III.
Did you know that Russians sent 2 Navies in 1860s – one to New York and another to San Francisco to protect the Lincoln’s US from possible attack by British Navy?
The big breaking point was 1963 assassination of JFK with primary goal of starting the bankruptcy process of the US by war spending in a prolonged and useless Vietnam War. JFK was a strong opponent of the War, so he needed to be dealt with.
The “side effects” of Kennedy’s assassination and Warren Commission was a profound impact it played on the US political system by scaring most of the politicians shitless like in “Yes, we can kill the President and get away with it”.
The actual modern coup happened not in9/11 2001, but in the last years of Clinton Administration by British Agent Sir Alan Greenspan. Greenspan run successful campaign to take down all protective mechanism US Republic build around the Banking system, most important the Glass Steagal law. After that, the China got the “most preferred trading status” and the last leg of destroying the US has begun.
No wonder Greenspan got Knight Commander of the British Empire for his traitorous efforts.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The largest, most productive and successful Nations States like United States, Russia, China, Germany and Brazil have much more in common interests than in conflicts.
The enormous success of the United States in 19th century inspired other countries around the world to follow American Political Economy principles, most profoundly expressed by process of building the transcontinental railroad system in Germany (Chancellor Bismarck) and Russia (Czar Alexander II the Liberator) and massive programs of industrialization.
British on the other side maintain their dominance over the World trade by dominating the maritime trade routes and imposing their Imperial monetary system through Bank of England (Up until the time they strategically defaulted on gold payments in 1932 plunging the world into Depression).
The transcontinental railroad system was a direct threat to one of the pillar of their Imperial dominance.
Empire is too weak to engage in direct military attacks against the Nation States, the intelligence, cultural and ideological attacks are much cheaper and much more effective, especially if they results in your enemy killing each other (like in WWI WWII) or committing National Suicide (like US is doing now).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The suicidal nature of current US politics is so obvious that it hurts. No discussions on out-of-control war spending that by several orders exceeds the natural need for defense spending. No discussions on outright fraud of Fed lending money in exchange of something other than US Treasuries. No discussion about clawing back money spend on bailing out international speculators and their CDS like in AIG case. No discussion about starting a MASSIVE National Investment programs into LOCAL projects to save productive population from humiliation of food stamps.
Instead, the only thing on the chopping block is Medicare, Social Security and other social safety net programs.
By severely cutting those programs we will face something in our cities that will be much more unpleasant than London’s riots. At that point the only solution will be military/fascist coup.
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