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Toto
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Why does Fintan have to provide a list of non-cia sites or good ones? Can't you do some work on your own? Why do you need Fintan's list? Make up your own mind do some research and then share with us what you have found. Sounds good to me. If you dont see the patterns it might be hard to do that though. I am not interesting in fighting but sharing.  |
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elfis
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Haven't listened to the audio for this post yet. Not sure I want to.
Like so many others, I'd really like Fintan to follow thru with some evidence for his CIA Fakes list as well as a Non-CIA Fakes site list. I don't think either is too much to ask for.
I certainly agree that most of the conspiracy sites out there are pushing FEAR but ya know what ... fear is a valid human emotion that very often spurs people into action. It does get dull and draining day in and day out.
But that alone does not qualify a website as being a CIA fake.
As for this non-issue of PsyOps posters on RENSE dot com ... Fintan, most of the posters you cite are from this very old gallery here:
http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html
http://micahwright.com/bio.htm
So if you want to prove your contention that these posters are part of a PsyOp why don't you start by finding actual evidence that their creator is now or once was an intel assett.
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justwatchin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: psyops/cia list |
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| i'm just curious fintan. could you name or recommend one 911 site that we can believe in? else it seems that yours is the only site that is not a CIA front. yeah a lot of the sites on your rat's list are full of BS and many of them are the work of some real ego freaks, but does that make them psyops? of the over 300,000 "alternative" sites out there there is only one reliable one? you started the thread with your rant, it doesn't seem to be asking too much to name just one other reliable 911 site? |
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bcgirl125
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: why the attacks on the rense site? |
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| It's one of the few real free speech zones left on the web. Even if a lot of it is opinionated nonsense, every day there is at least one or two worthwhile articles posted there, and that's more than can be said for the MSM. The modified WW II posters are entertaining and subversive; nobody in their right mind takes seriously the hyperpatriotic crap Bushco is pushing. And what is wrong with posting people's experiences with UFOs on the same site as political rants? They're all facets of someone's experience and worthwhile topics for discussion. |
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moylan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They're all facets of someone's experience and worthwhile topics for discussion. |
That's a value judgement, and not one with which many people would agree. They may strike some people as worthwhile topics for discussion, but not in the context of serious issues, which UFO sightings and abductions really aren't.
If you think that "political rants" are going to do any good, there must be some delusion virus circulating. |
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elfis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| moylan wrote: | | Quote: | | They're all facets of someone's experience and worthwhile topics for discussion. |
That's a value judgement, and not one with which many people would agree. They may strike some people as worthwhile topics for discussion, but not in the context of serious issues, which UFO sightings and abductions really aren't.
If you think that "political rants" are going to do any good, there must be some delusion virus circulating. |
Yeah, that's why Fintan keeps his metaphysical stuff on http://www.treeincarnation.com and not http://www.breakfornews.com and why I generally encourage keeping them seperate on my own websites. However, there can be much cross-over; for instance, it was my research into UFOs that lead me to ParaPolitics. As you research the govt and mils reactions to UFOs you immediately become aware of govt cover-ups and conspiracy and PsyOps. As you go from strictly UFO related research to Close Encounters and Abduction phenomena you inevitably come up against information about the CIA's MK-Ultra programs and from their it's a hop-skip-and-jump to full blown parapolitical intrigue. So the two can easily be linked and related. I don't necessarily fault websites for mixing the two. I would more likely fault a website for HOW they mix the subjects.
I really like a lot of Fintan's work, both his parapolitical and metaphysical stuff. I just am getting tired of him not following through (enough for my tastes) on his assertions about his CIA Fakes List. The commentary I see about this list from his readers seems more balanced and informed than his "evidence". Like several of his skeptical fans, I keep waiting for more of his "research" and "evidence" to back his assertions.
I certainly agree on others' analyses of the Fear Factor being manipulated to keep people from becoming activists but I think that same Fear Mongering CAN and DOES often motivate people to get involved or to atleast start asking more questions about everything.
I live in Austin and I've met Alex Jones several times and am not convinced that he is a paid agent. To the contrary, I think he is all too human and prone to human foibles ... as is Fintan, myself and everyone else attempting to grapple with this increasingly Twilight Zonish surReality we find ourselves in.
Peace Out!
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moylan
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think you're probably right about that. It's not that all of these people are somehow in the pay of or associated with the CIA; it's just that in some respects many of them are dupes.
I used to be duped by a lot of the nonsense that is circulating, and probably still am. To make mistakes is human. Maybe Fintan's main contribution will be to shock people out of their complacency with regard to disinfo. I don't take what I read here at face value, or assume that Fintan has all the answers, but I regard his approach as sound. A hermeneutics of suspicion, one might call it. |
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elfis
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Toto
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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elfis - So, I guess that makes Fintan a CIA FAKE and guilty of Fear Mongering PsyOps like Rense, Alex and the rest. <wink> \
Oh you just busted Fintan how devastating. :roll: |
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navari
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I can certainly chime in on the election related sites/groups that Finton refers to as CIA Fakes.
My experience, which is extensive in this area, is that the folks behind these sites are ill equipped and lack the education and knowledge necessary to report most of their claims. Their analysis of data is rudimentary at best.
Further, I have found most to be self serving - sensationalizing only "certain" facts that fit with their hypothesis. Not only is there no ethical standard, many of these people seem to be completely devoid of any ethics whatsoever.
It is all about the ends justifying the means. With the ends being:
- press attention
- increased membership or readership
- financial support
- getting Democrats elected
They've convinced many that each of the last two presidential elections were stolen, and have created widespread fear about our election system. It is not uncommon to hear someone say things like: "why vote, for my vote doesn't count anyway."
So, while I do not believe that these folks are CIA Fakes, I certainly believe that we have a case where the results of these groups' actions are in alignment with that of folks who may be conducting psyop campaigns. As these groups have successfully added to the level of fear across the country and have reduced the likelihood that We the People will participate in our Consitutional Republic. |
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lackin'knowledge
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: CIA invasion over the world |
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If you don't know what the CIA is capable of try to find some pdf file's ( adobe) about project Mkultra => CIA's program of research in behavioral modification, or something to do with the jones-town suicide
To go on about the jones-town suicide: if you commit suicide do you run away and walk in to a bullet or something like that?
The CIA was taggling all allong with the "priest"
And then find out where all the believes/religions/churches around the world come from the CIA put up the New born .... christians.
Why? well, does "Big Brother" ring a bell, or New world order, or the i.d card?
Micro-chipping? the biggest cocain runnin' bussinesssss in the world in history(Vietnam-war). Use your imagination on the net and the downloadtorrents use keywords as Conspiracy, documentary, and ofcours CIA it take's a while but hey it'll pay!!! P.s next time you click yer Yahoo account think what Yahoo means? answer next time |
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lackin'knowledge
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: CIA: Only the name can say enough |
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Although, there are documentaries about former CIA-agents, who where told to make propaganda, against another culture or Anti-amercan propaganda.
Point is: it's only a big charade 
There is proof of people tryin' to seed fear in the world and we all know what we will harvest
I think: " it doesn't matter which force is dryving the fear CIA, IRA,and so on, solong the fear is there the people are willing to sacrifice everything
Later peops. Stop hating, Start Forgiving, stop fearing, start loving
"Put your hate and fear into your beloved place" |
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Ozregeneration
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: CIA invasion over the world |
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| lackin'knowledge wrote: | | P.s next time you click yer Yahoo account think what Yahoo means? answer next time |
Not sure if true but have heard second hand that it means masonic 3 headed demonic deity |
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Janama
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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I'm just a reader and listener to Fintan.
I agree, the metaphysical and physical cross, so they should.
That's why I come here, because it's not all mental, facts and dictates, it's also possibilities, directions, feelings and experiences. Yin/Yang
I love radio, and I love Fintan's radio. He makes me think, and think again. Sure I go "hey ,come on!" sometimes, but I also go YES!, neat mate.
That's enough for me, thank you Fintan, and thank you Kathy for all your wonderful web work.
I believe that all the work you guys have done is coming to fruition. I've watched the recent posts on forums about 911 go from "Boring - all you conspiracy wackos" to serious, concerned discussion where questioning 911 is no longer a problem.
the day I watched 911 happen and I saw building 7 fall I said to myself.... there was supposed to be another plane?
I was naturally suspicious.
cheers
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lackin'knowledge
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: CIA invasion over the world |
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| Ozregeneration wrote: | | lackin'knowledge wrote: | | P.s next time you click yer Yahoo account think what Yahoo means? answer next time |
Not sure if true but have heard second hand that it means masonic 3 headed demonic deity |
Hmm someone know's something. Yahoo= Yahu= the devil=YaBuhLon= luciferic character in the masonic rite's= Yah= Jhwh= Jehovah  |
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