youtube vid on karma

[Azoth]

Check this vid about blacks on (white) karma. The payback as far as they're concerned. But we don't think it works like this....To, many groups of whites were victimized as any other.

I think if Karma - religious based karma; not the simple doctrine of cause and effect - worked as thought, the entire human race would be here and there to work it out forever. Meaning, that would be our sole function as
it's simply too complex. And judging by the group has it's own problems......

These folks - tho I haven't listened to part 2 - don't seem to consider the controlling factions either. But I guess "just following orders" isn't that good of an excuse (either).

They also seem to be saying they (alone) are the natural channels for spirit. Also that their music is more a reflection of. So they aren't pulling punches here....

Other than this I liked the message. I've wondered about this same stuff. Take Tibet, the holy Himalayas with eons of spiritual devotion under their belt... just to get ousted and penned by the Chinese?

I think the real issue here is that no one Really knows how Karma Really works. What did A Crowley say about karma? Forgot exactly but was a logical refutation demonstrating the impossibility of the whole thing.

Hi, Peter.

[Peter]

Hey Marck

you will have to include the link to the video...

Karma is the corruption of the universal principle of balance.

Our spirit takes the creative void and creates polarities that can then be applied instantaneously to the situation at hand. The energy in those forms serves us and then the memory of those forms is retained on the astral plane.

Thereafter, whenever a form is used (and not the energy contained therein) this causes an imbalance (which is associated with an effect) because the opposite polarity is missing. The memorial function of the astral plane is to maintain that imbalance (an emotional charge, a tension etc.) until time is taken to find and employ the polar opposite form. The problem remains that since both of the forms do not share the same temporal existence, they can never be in balance and that perpetuates the memorial function.

Totally unproductive and a complete waste of time. The best thing that you can do with karma is to forget it. Staying in the present moment helps.

[Azoth]

You kabbalist.... I'll agree that the middle pillar (or way, in the present) may help us out of the mess. I'm actually rereading a very nice book on zazen.

Das link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjs1M5_IXU&feature=related

I felt a tad foolish after posting this yesterday. Tho the gist was worthy, the vid quality and some of the people speaking, to me, seemed to indicate a (blank) deficit. As with the clip of a caller (the response) asking what the Titans symbolized....

That was an odd description you gave. Sounds like a flaw in Evolutionary nature. But I suppose it's checks and balances. I also think we need to address thoughtforms that have taken on autonomous natures. This could be a thread itself.

Another question popped into my mind yesterday as well. We have our chakras > glands.... so how are these psychic centers/aspects of creation maintained in an incorporeal point of awareness (obe etc)?
I would at first consider that these centers are mainly for meshing/transducing Into 3D, period. Seems logical but it's still a guess as these major centers really are aspects, or parts of the body of IT. Which means, we are still under the influence of these when out of body. But perhaps all our centers really are for this lower plane. Our 6/7th chakras are simply transceivers as well as gateways.

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Super tangent, perhaps. Have been viewing Randy Powell's vortex math and ain't it amazing. As Max in Pi "said", I feel I'm right on the edge of a breakthrough. Never seems to happen tho. But I'm trying to tie this stuff in with Paul La Violette's work.

But here's the little curiosity (if more than personal whim). Say the Giza pyramid with it's Golden Cut triangles. I've a 3D program where you can raise or drop (just) the vertical axis of a tetrahedron (or pyramid). Just like a slider, up and down and you thus see all the varying proportions.....now what I was musing on was the Feel or sensation of (finding) where exactly that specific golden point was or is.
It was harder than I thought to find that point where you get the feeling of gravity balanced with the structure's um, collapsing in on itself self supporting proportion - as like with a keystone etc.
It simply appeared that this is not what the Golden Cut is about as far as pyramids go. But perhaps I'm wrong.

I guess a major question to determine is whether or not the Structure of space as well as any of it's processes Accounts For the Intangibles of life. Spiritual evolution; karma, ethics etc and so forth.
Of course we see sacred geometry and alchemy here....
Just feels like there's a divorce from the Experiences of life and all this sacred science of structure and process. Yes, we do see how each reflects each other... say with seasons and other cyclic processes.
May be too much in my left brain right now... But it kinda seems that these metaphysical concepts are nevertheless sterile....
...the best example I can give here of what I'm on about is the line from Contact (from the dead father and paraphrasing), "the only thing we found of importance is, each other".
Verstehen Sie?

Have good day.

[Peter]

The supramental region may seem odd and cold but only when compared to the Hadean warmth of all things astral. Neutrality and balance include and therefore can make use of any extreme or polarity as and when it is required. It is the unaffected, and unaffected by, aspect of our access to and through this region that makes the difference in clarity and distance of vision.

You see neither the forest nor the trees but rather the part of the organism that is present for your observation and opportunism. Karma and all of the illusory forms there attached clamor for our attention because they present insistent and persistent images for us to consider. It is our investment in those forms that is our downfall in the sense of energy and opportunity lost.

The ego calculates and collates. (As it should, it just lacks discernment.)
The spirit concedes and connects. (When we allow it to manifest.)
The difference is how much interference occurs and karma is the master of that domain.

[Azoth]

Not care for the vid? Waste of time....

My subsequent idea as to obe's and psychic centers is white light. The chakras are like the color bands passing from a prism. When we are oob, we enfold or wrap back into an ethereal puff of "white light". Glad I figured that out.

What's next? I do not like what I'm hearing about food shortages. Now we've just had the worst cold spell in 60 years. In the next two years...
All I've been reading is complete doom and gloom for what's ahead.

[Peter]

I listened to the first 3 minutes or so and then got side-tracked by other vids that dealt with black people telling whites that they were not "off the hook" for the karma that they owed and should not expect to "ascend" with that weight hanging on them. That then led to the notion that melanin is a form of godly preference designating blacks as preferentially favored. The vibe takes you where it will. I try not to get too stuck to the form.

This brings up the subject of "end times" and armagheddon etc. Saturday night, after a social dinner, we were discussing just that. A lot of kerfuffle about what to do and how to prepare.

Get right with yourself. Find the harmony with those close to you and make the effort to keep your life on an even keel. Life is about living, not worrying or regretting. Thus when what is coming occurs, you are in the best shape to deal with it. Obviously, if certain things become evident, you act accordingly and then go with the flow.

In the grander scheme of things, we are but passing gestures in the semaphore of existence. Communication is the key and the more we transfer the vertical to the horizontal, the better off we will be.

[Azoth]

Hey, you sounded normal there in your opening paragraphs. But yes, get right with self. This ties into the idea of karma being what You think it to be (as opposed to some cosmic pc).

Interesting argument they have however, If there's such as thing a national or group karma. I doubt descendants of groups have to pay up in any case.
However, there just may be some odd thing not too many folks know about regarding the collective unconscious...

But I've always asked the same question and you may have seen it; how is it (in light of supposed karmic payback) that the ptb can do what they do, Still? They've quite the track record of infamy, yet they are still there. Where's Jesus with his yardstick?

I think it's like magickal practice. It's all in Your mind. I think there may be something to the idea of person A killing B with absolutely no regrets due to whatever form of propaganda or self belief. If they believe themselves just way down deep, they may be fine no matter what they do (aka psychopaths).

However, it just may be, in the end, you get that serious wake up call. That is, once he hits those rarefied levels on consciousness, so to speak, person A might "see the light" or the "error of his ways". Then... astral stuff would reconfigure to allow a fucking payback. Doh!!

Speculation. All I know is that when I used to trip hard, the most recurrent themes were the ideas of good ethics and purity. That and being on (attempting) the leading edge of evolutionary development....

stop

[Peter]

Interestingly, I am totally normal. It is just that I am not typical.

Yardsticks being what they are, how else to draw the measure of a man if not in relation to his fellow man? Comparison is futile but relativity is special... The PTB do what they do as a response to the need to lift up and advance. It is their wallowing that counterbalances the eventual and inevitable ascension that awaits.

[Peter]

[Azoth]

You just typed the (black) magick phrase, "They chose that path as did we, ours."

Tho I'm learning about this via my Jyotish course, I've always had a serious problem with that idea.
I find it inconceivable to choose...; service on the Eastern Front in the 40's, be a Jew there etc....oh you know what I mean, the list is truly endless.

Sorry, at this time, as per my cryptic hint towards the lack of a proper understanding of both collective un. as well as bardo realms, I still think something is missing.

All there needs to be, as in our ET searches, is One tiny cosmic law we haven't figured out yet as to change all perceptions. This may sound like a mystical cop out.
Perhaps not as it's Nature's coding to fucking Avoid pain. Ha, and that's all there is down here for the most part...in This System.

Let's put it this mystical way then; I'd wager our discussion or stances would be much different if we were never part of this well honed system of control and paradigm propaganda.

If anything, I'll grant that all these decisions are made in the bardos - far away from physical pain.
You've a way with words however and the idea of "rising above" sounds good. But this is another way of saying middle pillar and all that stuff. Interesting but terse comment about the ptb to. Could be. I have read that all this is part of the alchemical attempt to get us moving onwards with evolution. But there must be Factions up there if this is the case!

Are you sure you're not on Fintan's "humor the members" staff?

ps. too bad about Masonry really. i actually love all that stuff. must be some of the coolest artwork around. i also like the hermetic etc tenets and symbolism. Mr. Watt did say however that Masonry has been used - as to it itself being some dark entity.
vary curious about Leedskalnin's (aether/anti grav) codes being found in the grand masonic lodge in Philly......
doubly odd as i'm sure if you asked ANY mason on the street about it they'd be clueless, and i don't mean via locked lips.

[Peter]

Eastern mysticism's creed about freeing oneself from one's attachment to self is an interesting line to follow in this discussion.

When you pour water out at the top of a hill, you certainly know where it is headed. How it gets there is based on physical laws and forces as well as timing and intent. Should the water be concerned which stones it moves and which it goes around on its voyage? Were it consciously aware, it might remark that it takes a lot of effort to move some stones (more than others) which not only slow the progress but end up accompanying you down the hill, to perhaps interfere with your purpose, once arrived.

The only "unknown" (perhaps under-appreciated) cosmic law is:

"Your thoughts are not your own (they come from elsewhere than your source)."

Once you have assimilated that one, the rest are a piece of cake.

[Azoth]

I've been pondering the item of thoughts not being our own. This zazen book here is all about that.

Fine really. But I'd like to ask a master of no thought what they um think about psychic impressions. Take your general occultist or magickal practitioner into Scrying...

This is all semantics I fear. Like Bailey and friend who psychically viewed the internal structure of the atom, as Anu.
I of course realize my own non stop ego chatter As well as bodily functions which my right brain tends to anthropomorph into human figures. plus my own neurotic/schizo fear tends to manifest all sorts of paranoid phantasms at times.

Put simply, I've a semantic issue with the dichotomy of random, illusion based thoughts and actual incoming impressions - which might save your life down the road.

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Well, let's get serious here. What I'd like to know is where did Canadians get their beloved "eh" from? Good question, eh? Or is it ay?

[Peter]

Physiological reaction time being what it is, the "need" for the thought process is secondary as a survival characteristic. It is, however, primary for the refinement procedures required by all memorial forms in the astral plane. (Racial and instinctive memory have to be somewhere.)

We are here, in the material, as transducers of our psychic energy and as such need only intercept the vibration as it descends and then transform it by a change of state into some denser manifestation. We have a limited efficiency initially but with use and experience we get faster and cleaner in our function.

Memorial forms exist in and of themselves. Records and experiences are maintained and are also subject to universal principles. Therefore, as well as the karma previously mentioned, they attempt to perfect themselves. Since they do not have access to time as a working substrate, they are reduced to repetition to hone the image to an ultimate sharpness. This is mechanical in nature, energy consuming in function and involutive.

We are all subject to the same forces and limitations. We do have conscious awareness on our side to permit the necessary adjustments to flush out the old and get ready for the now.

p.s. Seems that the "aye" used by the Scots got perfected too. They were all over Canada and left that memorial vestige which never completely went away. That's what that is "aboot". (Same origin.)

[Azoth]

"The trouble with Scotland is that it's full of..." Should have known. Thanks for that as I was curious.

As for the rest, um yes, I guess.

But I just finished another jyotsih lesson last night. Took days to delineate this dude's chart. We (all) simply aren't equal or on a level playing field. Some folks are simply born with the "goods" or auspicious energies/trends. Other folks are born with all kinds of "hard" aspects. This stuff plays out regardless of what you do! This I am learning and there is something to sidereal astrology. Some of these jyotishi can basically read you astrologically by looking at your face and head structure. This is doubly amazing in that there are still so many skeptics. But it appears Tropical is the zodiac that gets most of the flak.

Of course jyotish has it's "remedial measures". Mantras, gems, yagyas (prayers by masters on your behalf) etc. My mentor has suggested mantras and gems for my own hard aspects...
Problem for me is that many folks have many weak planets in their natal etc. In such a case, you'd have to be chanting mantras fucking 24/7...

So what is your dharma? Mine seems to be experiencing existentialism! Funny, eh? I've got some time off this month so have some time to type here. Thanks for sharing. Have been following my newsletter blurbs of current events. Not a good way for peace of mind. Are you storing up food or that kinda thing?

[Peter]

It shouldn't surprise you (as a student of the stars and their "effect" on us) that working with time, implies that the temporal location of the constituents of the universe be "in sync" with all elements of your place within them. The energetic flux that places you in time is shared and inter-related for all. Choosing a landing site depends entirely on that status and develops with it and, in part, because of it.

Fatalistically, those that are meant to live through difficulties will live through them. What they can do, is adapt and adjust to them as best they can, to extract the maximum benefit to their evolutionary requirements. Perfecting oneself is all about doing things as well as you can.

I live in a very rural environment, far from "the madding crowd", but my financial resources are very much tied to the current banking system and are, after all, just numbers in a computer. In a crisis, living off the land would be dire but not impossible. Only time will tell and it can keep a secret...