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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chaos engulfs Cairo; Mubarak points to succession

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Hamza Hendawi, Associated Press 1 hr 14 mins ago

CAIRO – Egyptians woke up to a dawn of uncertainty Sunday with several key buildings still smoldering in the capital and thousands of anti-regime protesters remaining camped out at the city's main square in defiance of an extended nighttime curfew.

President Hosni Mubarak, clinging to power with promises of reform and a new government, had named his intelligence chief as his first-ever vice president on Saturday, setting the stage for a successor as chaos engulfed Cairo. Soldiers stood by — a few even joining the demonstrators — and the death toll from five days of anti-government fury rose sharply to 74.

Overnight and as police melted away, residents set up self-styled checkpoints and barricades at street corners and intersections of their neighborhoods, armed mostly with clubs and sticks to protect their homes. By dawn, the city was eerily quiet, with armored military vehicles encircling main government buildings in the downtown.

Sunday marks the start of the working week here but banks and the stock market will remain closed, as will schools.

Saturday's fast-moving developments across the north African nation marked a sharp turning point in Mubarak's three-decade rule of Egypt. Residents and shopkeepers in affluent neighborhoods boarded up their houses and stores against looters, who roamed the streets with knives and sticks, stealing what they could and destroying cars, windows and street signs. Gunfire rang out in some neighborhoods.

Tanks and armored personnel carriers are fanned out across the city of 18 million, guarding key government buildings, and major tourist and archaeological sites. Among those singled out for special protection was the Egyptian Museum, home to some of the country's most treasured antiquities, and the Cabinet building. The military closed the pyramids on the outskirts of Cairo — Egypt's leading tourist site.

But soldiers made no moves against protesters, even after a curfew came and went for the second night.

"This is the revolution of people of all walks of life," read black graffiti scrolled on one army tank in Tahrir Square. "Mubarak, take your son and leave," it said, in a stark message to the president and his son and potential successor.

Police protecting the Interior Ministry near the site opened fire Saturday at a funeral procession for a dead protester, possibly because it came too close to the force. Clashes broke out and at least two people were killed.

A 43-year-old teacher, Rafaat Mubarak, said the appointment of the president's intelligence chief and longtime confidant, Omar Suleiman, as vice president did not satisfy the protesters.

"This is all nonsense. They will not fool us anymore. We want the head of the snake," he said in the Mediterranean port city of Alexandria. "If he is appointed by Mubarak, then he is just one more member of the gang. We are not speaking about a branch in a tree, we are talking about the roots."

The crackdown on protesters has drawn harsh criticism from the Obama administration and even a threat Friday to reduce a $1.5 billion foreign aid program if Washington's most important Arab ally escalates the use of force.

Thousands of passengers were stranded at Cairo's airport as flights were canceled or delayed, leaving them unable to leave because of a government-imposed curfew. Several Arab nations, meanwhile, moved to evacuate their citizens.

The cancelations of flights and the arrival of several largely empty aircraft appeared to herald an ominous erosion of key tourism revenue.

The protesters united in one overarching demand — Mubarak and his family must go. The movement is a culmination of years of simmering frustration over a government they see as corrupt, heavy-handed and neglectful of poverty.

Egyptians were emboldened by the uprising in Tunisia — another North African Arab nation, and further buoyed by their success in defying the ban on gatherings.

At the end of a long day of rioting and mass demonstrations Friday, Mubarak fired his Cabinet and promised reforms. But the demonstrators returned in force again Saturday to demand a complete change of regime.

The appointment of Suleiman, 74, answers one of the most intriguing and enduring political questions in Egypt: Who will succeed 82-year-old Mubarak? Another question is whether his appointment will calm Egypt's seething cities.

Mubarak appointed Suleiman shortly after the U.S. said he needed to take concrete action to achieve "real reform." Suleiman is well known and respected by American officials and has traveled to Washington many times.

As the army presence expanded in Cairo Saturday, police largely disappeared from the streets — possibly because their presence seemed only to fuel protesters' anger. Egyptian police are hated for their brutality.

On Friday, 17 police stations throughout Cairo were torched, with protesters stealing firearms and ammunition and freeing some jailed suspects. They also burned dozens of police trucks in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez. On Saturday, protesters besieged a police station in the Giza neighborhood of Cairo, looted and pulled down Egyptian flags, then burned the building to the ground.

There were no clashes reported between protesters and the military at all, and many in the crowds showered soldiers with affection.

Some 200 inmates escaped a jail on the outskirts of the city, starting a fire first to cover their breakout. Eight inmates were killed during the escape.

On Saturday, feelings of joy over the sustained protest mingled with frustration over the looting and Mubarak's refusal to step down.

"To hell with Mubarak; We don't serve individuals. We serve this country that we love, just like you," yelled a soldier to protesters from atop a tank scrawled with graffiti that said: "Down with Mubarak!"

Like Mubarak, Suleiman has a military background. The powerful military has provided Egypt with its four presidents since the monarchy was toppled nearly 60 years ago. He has been in charge of some of Egypt's most sensitive foreign policy issues, including the Palestinian-Israeli peace process.

Suleiman, additionally, is widely seen as a central regime figure, a position that protesters were likely to view with suspicion.

Mubarak also named his new prime minister Ahmed Shafiq, the outgoing civil aviation minister and fellow former air force officer.

Both appointments perpetuate the military's overriding role in Egyptian politics.

Suleiman's frequent trips to Israel could be held against him by a population that continues to view the Jewish state as a sworn enemy more than 30 years after the two neighbors signed a peace treaty.

With the two occupying the country's most important jobs after the president from the military, Gamal, a banker-turned-politician, appears out of the running for his father's job.

A leaked U.S. diplomatic memo said Gamal and his clique of ruling party stalwarts and businessmen were gaining confidence in 2007 about controlling power in Egypt and that they believed that Mubarak would eventually dump Suleiman, who was seen as a threat by Gamal and his coterie of aides.

Gamal launched his political career within the ranks of the ruling National Democratic Party, climbed over the past 10 years to become its de facto leader, dictating economic policies and bolstering his own political standing.

Gamal's close aide and confidant, steel tycoon Ahmed Ezz, resigned from the party on Saturday, according to state television. Gamal and Ezz are suspected of orchestrating the rigging of the last parliamentary election in November, making sure the ruling party won all but a small fraction of the chamber's 518 seats.

Nineteen private jets carrying families of wealthy Egyptian businessmen with ties to the Mubarak family left Cairo late Saturday, most of them bound for Dubai, an airport official.

"There is nothing short of Mubarak leaving power that will satisfy the people," Mohamed ElBaradei, the country's leading pro-reform activist told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I think what Mubarak said yesterday was an insult to the intelligence of the Egyptian people."

Buildings, statues and even armored security vehicles were covered in anti-Mubarak graffiti, including the words "Mubarak must fall," which by morning had been written over to say "Mubarak fell."

The military extended the hours of the night curfew imposed Friday in the three major cities where the worst violence has been seen — Cairo, Alexandria and Suez. State television said it would begin at 4 p.m. and last until 8 a.m., longer than the 6 p.m. to 7 a.m. ban Friday night that appeared to not have been enforced.

The Internet appeared blocked for a third day Sunday, an effort to hamper protesters who use social networking sites to organize. After cell phone service was cut for a day Friday, two of the country's major providers were up and running Saturday.

in Friday night's looting, hundreds of young men had carted away televisions, fans and stereo equipment from the ruling National Democratic Party, near the Egyptian Museum. Others around the city looted banks, smashed cars, tore down street signs and pelted armored riot police vehicles with paving stones torn from roadways.


AP reporters Sarah El Deeb, Maggie Michael, Margaret Hyde in Cairo and Hadeel Al-Shalchi in Alexandria, Egypt, contributed to this report.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


"There is nothing short of Mubarak leaving power that will satisfy the people," Mohamed ElBaradei, the country's leading pro-reform activist told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I think what Mubarak said yesterday was an insult to the intelligence of the Egyptian people."

And his diatribe is an insult to the Egyptian people's intelligence.

Dr Mohamed ElBaradei is a Wall Street stooge.

Once their Internet is back online, make this fake's NWO credentials go viral.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it always London?

Because London is the capitol of the world.

If I had the dough I'd be living there in a heartbeat.

It's so fucking expensive because everyone in the world wants to live there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An ElBaradei interview has been getting heavy rotation
on AlJazeera all thru the off peak taped rebroadcasts.
But no big surprise there...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: 9:00amEST Sunday

NWO alarm at developments leads Hillary Clinton to say US not
interested in a revolution which does not produce democracy?!?




Unless the Regime comes up with something better that that, (and they may),
jet buzzing is more of an indication of weakness. We know the Air Force
is very close to the Regime and the US, but why use jets to clear the
Square when troops are supposedly there to do that job?

Live excerpt:

AlJazeera Live - 4pm Cairo - 30th Jan, 2011

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ElBaradei is indeed bad news. Sits on the board of the International Crisis Group with Soros & co.


It was nearly a week ago on January 16th that respected geopolitical analyst Dr. Webster Tarpley warned prophetically, "Arab governments would be well advised to keep an eye on ICG operatives in their countries," in his piece covering the Tunisian upheaval and regime change.

Amazing. Full story: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/383/570/All_is_not_what_it_seems_in_Egyptian_Clashes.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:
Regarding the "military protecting the protesters", I am forced to remember EgyptAir Flight 990, in 1999, wherein a perfectly sane, upper class, happily married family man - suddenly gone suicidal and insane for no reason (mind controlled) - Egyptian pilot crashed his plane into the sea:

The flight was carrying 203 passengers from seven countries (Canada, Egypt, Germany, Sudan, Syria, United States, and Zimbabwe).[1][4] Of the total people on board, 100 were American, 89 were Egyptian, 22 were Canadian, and the others were of varying nationalities.[5]

Of the passengers, four were non-revenue EgyptAir crew members. Of the passengers, 32 boarded in Los Angeles, while the rest boarded in New York.[6] Many of the passengers were elderly Americans who intended to visit Egypt as tourists.[7] Included in the passenger manifest were over 30 Egyptian military officers; among them were two brigadiers-general, a colonel, a major, and four other air force officers. After the crash, newspapers in Cairo were prevented by censors from reporting the officers' presence on the flight.

I remember Hankey making a slight connection between Egypt 990 and JFK Jr's Crash. It's odd though, ever since this Egyptian issue went off, I had wondered if the Egyptian people forgot how some of their top Military Brass were murdered back in 1999. Well, it was the top brass of their military, they could have been on the payroll as well but then again, they were taken out rather swiftly.
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Hillary Clinton
Speaks Truth to Power
In Egypt -



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Meet the new NWO stooge, worse than the old NWO stooge.


'Mega protest' planned in Egypt

Opposition movement calls for one "million people demonstration" on Tuesday in a bid to topple president Hosni Mubarak.

Last Modified: 31 Jan 2011 07:19 GMT

Egyptian opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei spoke to protesters at Tahrir Square in Cairo on Sunday [Reuters]

Egyptian protesters have called for a massive demonstration on Tuesday in a bid to force out president Hosni Mubarak from power.

The so-called April 6 Movement said it plans to have more than a million people on the streets of the capital Cairo, as anti-government sentiment reaches a fever pitch.

Several hundred demonstrators remained camped out in Tahrir square in central Cairo early on Monday morning, defying a curfew that has been extended by the army.

"It seems as if they are saying: 'We are here to stay. We are re-invigorating our movement and we are not going anywhere'," one of Al Jazeera's correspondents in Cairo said.

Protesters seem unfazed by Mubarak's pledge to institute economic and political reforms. Our correspondent said that people feel that such pledges "are too little, too late".

Early on Monday morning, unconfirmed reports said the police had been ordered back on the streets.

"We are expecting a statement by the minister of interior about whether the police are going to return or not," our correspondent said.

"The absence of police has given looters a free rein, forcing ordinary citizens to set up neighbourhood patrols. Many people are wondering where the police disappeared to.

"There are two schools of thought as far as the police are concerned: One is that many of them decided to join the protesters. The other is that the regime was saying to the people, 'You want to protest. We'll pull back the police and you feel what anarchy feels like'," our correspondent said.

A day earlier, Mohamed ElBaradei, a leading opposition figure, joined thousands of protesters in Tahrir Square.

The former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency told the crowd on Sunday night that "what we have begun cannot go back" referring to days of anti-government protests.

The National Coalition for Change, which groups several opposition movements including the Muslim Brotherhood, wants ElBaradei to negotiate with the Mubarak government.

"The people want the regime to fall," protesters chanted as ElBaradei walked to the centre of the square, holding hands with some demonstrators.

Jail breaks

The show of continued defiance by the people came on a day when air force fighter planes flew low over Cairo along with helicopters and extra troop lorries appeared in the central square.

As the protests continue, security is said to be deteriorating and reports have emerged of several prisons across the country being attacked and of fresh protests being staged in cities like Alexandria and Suez.

Thirty-four leaders from the Muslim Brotherhood were freed from the Wadi Natroun jail after guards abandoned their posts.

The protesters in Cairo, joined by hundreds of judges, had gathered earlier in Tahrir Square in the afternoon to demand the resignation of Mubarak.

Al Jazeera's correspondent, reporting from the scene, said that demonstrators confronted a fire truck, at which point army troops fired into the air in a bid to disperse them.

He said the protesters did not move back, and a tank commander then ordered the fire truck to leave. When the truck moved away from the square, the thousands of protesters erupted into applause and climbed onto the tank in celebration, hugging soldiers.

Main roads in Cairo have been blocked by military tanks and armoured personnel carriers, and large numbers of army personnel have been seen in other cities as well.

Our correspondent said that extra military roadblocks had been set up in an apparent attempt to divert traffic away from Tahrir Square, which has become a focal point for demonstrators.

"It's still a very tense scene to have so much military in the capital city of the country."

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting clips of Hillary but the reality is that....a leopard does not change it's spots(even if she tries to appear thus)......so: could this be a prelude to a 'peace-keeping' military invasion of Egypt?
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Political Analysis: 6amEST Monday

The Muslim Brotherhood have over the weekend been manuvered into the
political mix when the Brotherhood announced they would take their
lead from the CFR's man Elbaradei --who thus counterbalances their
perceived (CIA-tinged) radicalism.

Then these two met with opposition party representatives and
youth leaders to form an ad-hoc 'committee' of 10 to run a unity
government until elections are held.

So a broad-based coalition has now been assembled. Pragmatically
speaking, it's a reasonable structure. The western establishment get
to try exercise top-down control via the committee, while at the same
time the broad base of the unity platform means that there will be an
equal amount of revolutionary pressure coming from the bottom up.

The ease with which a broadly representative coalition has emerged
is a signal development which helps us differentiate between Egypt's
revolutionary thrust and the still-blocked Iranian reform movement.

In Iran, the young revolutionaries faced both a dictatorial military power
and a stone-age religious orthodoxy of privilege. That pairing was a twin
bulwark to progress -yet to be breached. Egypt's more secular society
has it's diversity united in collective hatred of the Mubarak apparatus.

There are many who will cry 'sellout' if the committee plan works out.

And they will be right.

It is a sellout of the youth motive force driving the revolution.

And there are many more who will say on the other hand, that it's a
good start which recognizes the real-politic of the situation; avoids
further bloodshed and forms the basis for an inclusive society
decided by free and fair elections.

And they'll be right too.

It's both. It's messy. It's Democracy, of a kind.

Just like ours in the West.

The so-far unmentioned elephant in the room is whether the 'committee'
get any kind of concessions about the scale and scope of secret police
counter-revolutionary actions from now on; and the role of the CIA
station in local political affairs.

Unless those kinds of covert Ops are restrained then their
new Democracy is likely to be just as flawed as is ours.

Ours could be better.

In Egypt, it could be a lot worse.

It certainly has been.

The major parties and players in the Egyptian opposition
met throughout the day Sunday

They ultimately selected a committee led by Dr. ElBaradei to negotiate
directly with the Egyptian military
. And they settled on a strategy that
some in the movement are calling “hug a soldier” to try to win the army’s
rank and file over to their side.

But both newcomers and veterans of the opposition movement say it is
the young Internet pioneers who remain at the vanguard behind the

The young people are still leading this,” said Ibrahim Issa, a prominent
opposition intellectual who attended some of the meetings. And the older
figures, most notably Dr. ElBaradei, have so far readily accepted the
younger generation’s lead, people involved said. “He has been very
responsive,” Mr. Issa said. “He is very keen on being the symbol, and
not being a leader

The first meeting was a gathering of the so-called shadow parliament,
formed by older critics of the government after blatantly rigged
parliamentary elections last fall.

Among those present were many representatives of the Brotherhood, the
former presidential candidate Ayman Nour and representatives of Dr.
ElBaradei’s umbrella group, the National Association for Change, which
has been working for nearly a year to unite the opposition around
demands for free elections.

At the end of the meeting, they had settled on a consensus list of 10
people they would delegate to manage a potential unity government if
Mr. Mubarak resigned.

And though the religiously conservative Brotherhood was the biggest
force in the shadow parliament, the group nonetheless put Dr. ElBaradei
at the top of its list.

Officials of the Brotherhood said he would present an unthreatening face
to the West.


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