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Hombre



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bri,

You must keep an open mind otherwise you'll get blindsided by the obvious when it presents itself and miss it.

I've said many times before that with a few million people living in and around NYC that there has to be footage that has yet to see the light of day.

As an example listen to this audio: Does that sound like a Commercial Airliner to you? How about the explosion? Does that sound like the vapor from 15,000 gallons of jet fuel igniting and exploding?

Yes I do believe something hit those Towers but You'll never convince me that they were 767's. You can search NBC vids and compare them to other network footage. I'm talking initial live feed, not re-racked tape. They differ, in other words the angle of decent the object takes in the second explosion doesn't match. NBC's is steeper as opposed to CNN's being more shallow. Further the sound of the ( I call it a thing ) clearly would not be heard if the THING was moving anywhere close to 400 plus mph. It would have a markedly higher pitch akin to a whistle of sorts. This thing sounds like it's coming in for a routine landing.

The sound would trail the thing by a long distance, so it wasn't moving anywhere near the speed told because you can clearly hear it on the tape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmAWaKoYQ&feature=related

Not trying to come off like an ass, just pointing out things people miss and are hesitant to discuss.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=97947

Sep-11-2009 23:46printcomments
The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
Gordon Duff Salem-News.com

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?
The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11
John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.



Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.

We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

================================================

Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and a regular contributor to Veterans Today. He specializes in political and social issues. You can see a large collection of Gordon's published articles at this link: VeteransToday.com.

He is an outspoken advocate for veterans and his powerful words have brought about change. Gordon is a lifelong PTSD sufferer from his war experiences and he is empathetic to the plight of today's veterans also suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. We greatly appreciate the opportunity to feature Gordon's timely and critical reports on Salem-News.com, a news organization staffed by a number of veterans, particularly former U.S. Marines.

You can send Gordon Duff an email at this address: Gpduf@aol.com

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon was kind enough to respond to an e-mail where we discussed the book in Question. It's as if this stuff comes easy to me now, especially since I've grown to trust my instincts while ignoring the fools within.

The Book written by Farmer is an excuse that is dependent upon selling " INCOMPETENCE " as a factor that allowed 9-11 to take place only it's not accurate. The author of the Book and others who have come forward for various reasons have deemed the official report a LIE.

Most of us already know this as fact. Gordon says Farmer uses weasel words throughout the book. What would people expect? Says that Farmer felt like he had to speak out about the Report thus rendering it useless even though he doesn't say anything about the who's, what's, why's, or most importantly, how's.

Anyway: Why do I get the feeling that the people/some people, near the Investigation/fact gathering in regard to the 9-11 Commission report are being infected with guilt?

Time will tell but I'm sure there is more to come later if not sooner than people think.

Why would you let a Book that calls the Report a LIE ever see the light of day?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hombre wrote:
I've said many times before that with a few million people living in and around NYC that there has to be footage that has yet to see the light of day.

Not only that, but there is additional footage to the footage we've already seen that is being meticulously withheld.

Ever since it's been available, I have carefully watched every snip of the overhead police helicopter footage of the post-collapse Ground Zero, trying to catch one frame of the South side of building seven, to see the 'extent' of the Tower 1 damage.

In every montage or film clip allowed on the web, the clip always ends right before a glimpse of Bldg 7 wound come into view. That's not coincidence, and the perps love that kind of obvious editing subterfuge. It rubs our noses in it, and they do piss themselves laughing.

Of course, because of "stepped up security" since that very day, no beat cop or helicopter pilot or any low-level law enforcement employee bats an eye about immediately handing over all evidence to the administration. The War or Terror(ism) is it's own self-sanitizer - the very need for secrecy (as we're beaten over the head repeatedly) becomes the very vehicle for success of the deception. And the more ops like Ft Hood that get pulled off, the bigger the lie is spun about "infiltration", the tighter that web of secrecy becomes, and the easier it is to explain away as totally necessary. It's a self-feeding monster, and it's completely out of the cage now. We were fucked when National Security Act of '47 created the CIA - an act of Congress that was a direct result of Pearl Harbor - the deception that could have been referred to back then by anyone with clairvoyance as "the first 9/11."
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The History Channel version was on again here locally Saturday Night. They have cleaned up much of the video that they show, only the edits are too obvious.

It's been run more than once since Sept 11 -2009 which tells me one of two things. There is tons of interests from viewers and they need the ad revs, or someone is still driving home the terrorists spike.

It's all very Interesting to me, and a bit too obvious. I still believe that sooner or later someone will roll over and stick there knees up to their ears and cry Uncle. It's just too bloody obvious.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After listening to Fintan's audio on 9/11 i get the feeling thing have moved on from examining the scene of the crime,to a closer analysis of the wall street connection.I just dont feel that going over the same idea ie how the towers fell etc is the way forwards.

I am i wrong in assuming that the true criminals are known ?.

What does further investigation of the how the towers fell go any further to realizing any of this,and only goes on to perpetuate old news.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha yeah those were the good ol' days. Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: And now for something completely different Reply with quote

A little good information.




PS for those of you who haven't tried yet. You tube now has a beta for embedding active on default. You will need to uncheck the "Use embed frame code beta" box (third box down under code window) in order to embed on this site. The new code does not work on here.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Just found this too Reply with quote

Not sure if this is on here yet but I will post it anyway. The commentator says it doesn't show a plane however if you look closely above the bridge in the upper middle you will see a flash of light that appears to be what I would call consistent with sunlight reflecting off of a polished aluminum airframe. Just my opinion, yet a little closer to removing yet another obstacle in the debate around what really happened.
The relevant portion begins at :4o seconds in. (the beginning is balderdash IMO) The video portion to pay attention to is in the grayed area to the upper left just above the bridge.

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