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Actually - even though I remember his story about the 'terrorists', I don't remember him saying *anything* about losing any brother, in relation to it. I should prolly have mentioned that fact, above.
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| devabarry wrote: | Fintan, you spelled it out quite well. Excellent background info on The Coup. There are perhaps a few more things that can be discerned from the cover image:
the word "Engaged" on the remote device (can't make out the subtext...anyone?) |
I tried to locate a full readable image of the "Party Music" cover because I would be interested in knowing what the words under "Engaged" are, but I was unsuccessful.
I did locate a web page that says there was some kind of C.D. jacket associated with the "Party Music" C.D. that had graphics of airplanes on it.
This is a link to the web page. The information on the C.D. will be the first graphics on the page, along with the writer's interpretation of some of the cover's images.
Whenever I purchased a C.D. it normally came in a plastic jewel case with cover art. The C.D. is always inside the jewel case stuck to a spindle to keep the C.D. from moving. I don't know how a C.D. that has cover art can also have a C.D. jacket associated with it. I have never seen a C.D. packaged that way so maybe the information on the page about a C.D. jacket is incorrect.
As far as the rest of the information on the web page goes, I haven't read it yet. |
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DG
you thought wrongly.
Please re-advise
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Below is the complete text of a post of mine that was posted earlier in this thread. Please see my statement below the quote.
| Charles_B wrote: | | devabarry wrote: | Fintan, you spelled it out quite well. Excellent background info on The Coup. There are perhaps a few more things that can be discerned from the cover image:
the word "Engaged" on the remote device (can't make out the subtext...anyone?) |
I tried to locate a full readable image of the "Party Music" cover because I would be interested in knowing what the words under "Engaged" are, but I was unsuccessful.
I did locate a web page that says there was some kind of C.D. jacket associated with the "Party Music" C.D. that had graphics of airplanes on it.
This is a link to the web page. The information on the C.D. will be the first graphics on the page, along with the writer's interpretation of some of the cover's images.
Whenever I purchased a C.D. it normally came in a plastic jewel case with cover art. The C.D. is always inside the jewel case stuck to a spindle to keep the C.D. from moving. I don't know how a C.D. that has cover art can also have a C.D. jacket associated with it. I have never seen a C.D. packaged that way so maybe the information on the page about a C.D. jacket is incorrect.
As far as the rest of the information on the web page goes, I haven't read it yet. |
I posted a link to a web page in the above quoted post of mine that associated a CD jacket with airplanes on it to the album "Party Music" by a group of people calling themselves "The Coup". At least the way I read the information on the web page I thought whoever wrote it was associating the CD jacket with "The Coup's" album. I may have read the web page wrong.
Before I posted the web page link I did a search and could find nothing else relating to a CD jacket and the "Party Music" release. Not finding any other verifying pages I still posted the link because I thought I had found something substantial.
Hours later I decided to do a search on the words "Tele Trieste". It turns out there is a German group called "Tele Trieste" or "Eyeon" and the CD jacket on the page I linked to is the German groups CD jacket and not "The Coup's" CD jacket.
The CD jacket with the airplanes on it has absolutely nothing to do with the "Party Music" CD.
Here are some links telling of the "Tele Trieste/Eyeon" CD jacket (Doing a search may produce other links.):
http://www.amuseyourself.com/scare-yourself/world-trade-center-graphics.html
http://www.ironflame.de/foreseeing_the_future.html
This will be my last post on this forum. You don't need people spreading disinformation, even innocently, even if they do come back and correct themselves. |
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Continuity
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Charles_B said: | Quote: | | This will be my last post on this forum. You don't need people spreading disinformation, even innocently, even if they do come back and correct themselves. |
What's all this about? Has someone/something upset you? If so, what/who?
And, no, that's not 'disinformation', then - it's a 'mistake'. And we are all (as far as I know) human, and this is what humans do. Make mistakes from time to time. And in this case the mistake isn't even yours, it's whoever put together the page with the anomalous 'planes' CD-cover on it. You even gave us the disclaimer that you hadn't read the rest of the page, yet.
I've read and re-read the thread, and if I think that you're saying what I think you are, mabe you left out the '  ' at the end of your statement? I hope that's what it is.
Also, nice find on the German band/label, it looks like the person who put up that page has gotten their facts wrong, somehow. But I would like to add that, at least here in Yurp, I have seen 'CD sleeves' that come with jewel-cased (more often double-ones) releases. They're like very slim, printed carboard sleeves that have a gap in the side to slide the jewel-case out of.
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atm said: | Quote: | | you thought wrongly. Please re-advise. |
I think that he may have been referring to the radio show that he linked to in his previous post in this thread:-
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Fintan, I'm sure you are familiar with parapsychology research and precognition phenomena.
While I find your analysis of The Coup cover to be worthy of consideration, how do you weigh the possibilities between a PsyOp and a PsiOp?
I know at least 3 people who personally had what most would conisder precognitive dreams of 911 either the morning of the event or in weeks prior.
In my research on "911 fore-knowledge" I've found lots of evidence for paranormal and parapolitical presentiment of the attacks:
DreamPodcast #2 - Premonitions of 911:
http://www.elfis.net/phorum/read.php?f=3&i=44&t=44
Paranormal instances range from precog dreams, waking visions, to the parapsychological data from scientists like Dean Radin and the Global Consciousness Project folks at noosphere.princeton.edu and other examples. The previously mentioned album covers as well as other artistic expressions have also been noted.
Parapolitical instances of witnesses / evidence indicating probable fore-knowledge include parapolitical researcher John Judge's fellow researcher and American Airlines stewardess, "T. Carter", who says she saw the hijackers casing her plane before 911. The previously cited John Woods example has been around since 2002 and note that Woods was "rewarded" for his support of the MSM 911 Myth by his getting to play the role of Rudolph Gulliani in the post-911 made for tv movie about the mayor.
Anyway ... here are a couple of posts I did some time back about the intersection of "real" precognitive 911 stuff and the possibilities inherant in the knowledge that Intel agencies have used both "real" and fake psychics as outlets for disinfo:
Re: The Lone Gunmen Prophecy
Hi Kenn (Thomas),
I absolutely agree with your assertion that these shows have stolen
ideas from the research of you and our mutual friends. Having worked
at the computer game company ORIGIN Systems ten years ago I know very
well that there are Forteans and ParaPolitically minded creative
types within the industry who get their inspiration from the pages of
yours and others books and research.
And I wasn't suggesting one had to be psychic to precognitively grok
the planes into buildings meme. I was simply citing evidence that
suggests that psychics (whether real or fake) have been used as
intelligence assetts by the US Govt to seed disinfo and to gain info
from their confidantes and clients:
"Psychic Jeane Dixon Was FBI Stooge"
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/sixties-l/2335.html
[I have the archived html and FOIA docs saved at home)
I'm well aware of the pre-911 imagery and news reports involving
planes as missiles and planes into buildings:
"A man, drives a plane, into the Chrysler building" - Lyric from the
song "Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago" by the band Soul Coughing, released
in September 1994.
http://www.parapolitics.info/media/911podcast050826.mp3
Hip Hop Band THE COUP album cover (no planes)
http://www.elfis.net/images/911images/coup-cover-300.jpg
This suggestive German album cover (with planes near WTC)
http://www.elfis.net/images/911images/foreseeing_the_future.jpg
And this suggestive Pre-911 Computer game box fro "RED ALERT 2"
(with planes near WTC)
http://www.parapolitics.info/images/ra2box_0002pre911.jpg
The various pre 911 "WTC as Target" report covers
http://www.parapolitics.info/images/wtctargetpre911.jpg
The Austin, Texas based Steve Jackson Games pre 911 "Illuminati" card
game cards
http://www.parapolitics.info/images/911/WTCcardgame.jpg
http://www.parapolitics.info/images/911/wtcpentagoncardgame.jpg
And this cartoonists bit (not sure if this is pre 911)
http://www.parapolitics.info/images/911/wtc.gif
I've also seen pics of a calendar that was printed in Asia that
featured a drawing of a plane flying towards the twin towers and of
course there is this strange pic on a refridgerator in a GE advert
from an Italian magazine circa April 2001:
http://www.metatech.org/Images/ge-ad.gif
There was also the November 1993 Hustler Magazine pic obviously
inspired by the first WTC (FBI enabled) attack:
http://www.metatech.org/Images/WTC%20&%201993%20Hustler%20Mag.jpg
However, I am unaware of any Bruce Willis movies dealing with that
theme directly (The first Die Hard movie featured helicopters
accidentally slamming into buildings, as did The Matrix and other
films. Die Hard 2 featured the switching of transponders to cause
airliners to crash which is apparently an old intel trick).
SMiles
AND ...
The thing about this Lone Gunmen pilot episode is that nearly
precisely mirrors at least one varient of the 911 conspiracy theory:
that the planes were remotely piloted in a false flag "terror attack"
whose impetus was American Police State and American Hegemony at the
behest of the MICkey Complex.
And according to actor Dean Haglund, he was told by Chris Carter that
a Hollywood psychic had fessed up to being used by Intel assets to
seed hollywood writers with script ideas:
"Haglund stated that after years of writing the X-files, the FBI and
NASA would approach Chris Carter with plots for stories. He also
discussed the fact that the CIA have since the 80's hired informants
posting as psychics to attend Hollywood parties and report back the
the CIA on general trends and talking points."
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/video/120105haglundteaserwmbb.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/151205deanhaglund.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/161205Haglund.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/301205deanhaglund.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/171204haglund.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_lonegumen.html
Recall also the news articles about psychic Jean Dixon being used by
the Intel community to seed disinformation ...
AND ...
The Precognitive Visions of ParaPolitical Researcher Alex Jones
Austin, Texas - Today marks only the second time this author has heard local radioshow host, parapolitical researcher and documentary filmmaker Alex Jones admit to his life-long history of prophetic, or precognitive, dreams.
http://www.elfis.net/2006/05/15.html |
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It suddenly all makes sense to me now. It's all explainable by paranormal precognition.
This is how the NeoCons knew about the 'hijackings' - they consulted psychics. No inside job, just inside information. And the multinationals don't get advance market trend info from the monetary system handlers, they just ask Jean Dixon's Granddaughter.
Wow - there are just so many ways to innocently explain away these awful feelings I've had for the past 5 years. I can't decide which one to wholeheartedly embrace first.
We can all go home now. No crime, no foul. 
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| Rumpl4skn wrote: | It suddenly all makes sense to me now. It's all explainable by paranormal precognition.
This is how the NeoCons knew about the 'hijackings' - they consulted psychics. No inside job, just inside information. And the multinationals don't get advance market trend info from the monetary system handlers, they just ask Jean Dixon's Granddaughter.
Wow - there are just so many ways to innocently explain away these awful feelings I've had for the past 5 years. I can't decide which one to wholeheartedly embrace first.
We can all go home now. No crime, no foul. |
Rumpl4skn, I'm suggesting nothing of the sort.
As someone who researches anomalous information transfer (aka ESP) I can't help but ask these questions.
While I see the scientific evidence for psi phenomena to be real and convincing, I cited examples of claims of intel operatives using claimed psychics for intel purposes.
My point is ... despite the intriguing info uncovered by Fintan about THE COUP cover, it may be just as likely that someone like Boots is a creative minded person familiar with COINTELPRO covert ops etc enough to put these items in place in the cover album and there is no real psyop here. Then again, it could very well be so. I've worked for musicians and computer game designers and they are into conspiracy research, paranormal phenomena etc etc. so it's not unreasonable to think it is at least possible that that is all that is involved in these many instances.
And since Fintan is someone who advances metaphysical discussions with his TreeIncarnations ideas (http://breakfornews.com/forum/index.php?c=2) I didn't think it was unreasonable or distracting to point out this other info.
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elfis,
Apologies if I was overly sarcastic there (I'm drinking half-decaf now). I'm just overloaded with the mind games I see being played in regards to 9/11, and I was (not so eagerly) awaiting when the paranormal card would be sincerely played, as I'm sure it will be increasingly used to pollute clear analysis, along with other non-debatable misdirections.
I'm not suggesting you did that. I just value the integrity of this forum, and I'm leery of seeing aliens, holocaust denial or Uri Gellerisms to enter into the equations - despite what I've seen as the "Occam's Razor" justification of such tripe on other boards.
Call me old fashioned.
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| Rumpl4skn wrote: | elfis,
Apologies if I was overly sarcastic there (I'm drinking half-decaf now). I'm just overloaded with the mind games I see being played in regards to 9/11, and I was (not so eagerly) awaiting when the paranormal card would be sincerely played, as I'm sure it will be increasingly used to pollute clear analysis, along with other non-debatable misdirections.
I'm not suggesting you did that. I just value the integrity of this forum, and I'm leery of seeing aliens, holocaust denial or Uri Gellerisms to enter into the equations - despite what I've seen as the "Occam's Razor" justification of such tripe on other boards.
Call me old fashioned. |
Thanks Rumpl4skn. I am fully aware of the dangers and fears of folks regarding the ingression of the paranormal and UFOs into the debate. But as someone who came to know ParaPolitics Blvd by way of the other back alley of "para" research I can't help but draw upon those years of research in my exploration of these topics.
And I've been called a debunker and a believer by different folks in the same day ... I've also been called a CIA agent on a few occassions but that comes with the territory.
I really like Fintan's approach, ideas and analysis generally. I often recommend him to folks for a "non-CIA Fakes" perspective. But I still find much of his analysis lacking definitive evidence as it mostly often hinges upon interpretation of the end results of the items being analyzed and ... dare I say it ... like para phenomena such analysis can be easily dismissed by others less fluent in the big-picture or without a proper context and level of background knowledge.
Again, I try to keep my discussions of para subjects separate except when I decide to focus on either thru the lense of the other. But in the case of pre-conditioning imagery related to 911, as someone who studies "anomalies" I think it must be kept in mind that there ARE other possible factors at work that make difficult a definitive analysis of a supposed PsyOp like the COUP COVER unless we have extremely hard evidence for connections to psychological warfare operatives. Certainly Boots connections should be explored and certainly what Fintan has posted is suggestive of the need for further research.
But I often wonder what Fintan's views are on other areas such as parapsychology, remote viewing, etc. since he has at least occassionally passed verdict on everything from the nature of reality (with his TreeIncarnation series) to Crop Circles*.
* = FIRST CONTACT: CHILBOLTON ET MESSAGE DECODED
24-27th August, 2001
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/chilbolton_reply.htm
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/chilbolton_1999.htm
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/chilbolton_the_verdict.htm
WAS CHILBOLTON AN ET CONTACT? THE VERDICT.
by Fintan Dunne, coEditor PsyOpNews.com
6/7 September 2001
"With a military high-tech source unlikely, we turn in PART IV to the scalar techniques that an alien intelligence could have used to telepathically or mechanically beam the glyphs through hyperspace. Science fiction? Not, really. Based on our latest understanding of relativity and dark matter, its quite concievable. As we will see.
CONTINUED IN PART IV SHORTLY"
There was supposed to be a Part IV but then 911 happened and to my knowledge Fintan never completed that series. Fintan was going in some interesting directions ... but perhaps this was just a prepatory piece before he busted the scam wide open a la the CIA FAKES ruse.
Anway ... thanks for the apologies. I'm sorry if I wasn't more clear about my interests or intent in adding to this thread.
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| Quote: | | Fintan, I'm sure you are familiar with parapsychology research and precognition phenomena |
Have you heard the term "psyop-psychology"? 
I have done a lot of research into the background of Raymond “Boots”
Riley and his father Walter Riley
The Coup's “Boots” Riley is the son of Walter Riley who was legal counsel to the Black Panthers co-founder Hilliard. He was also involved with the NAACP, and is still politically active, campaigning on the stolen election issue and hanging out with the Barbara Boxer camp.
The Panthers were taken out by a huge COINTELPRO FBI/CIA operation.
Riley and his father come from territory rife with counterintelligence agents.
Here are some links to get the juices flowing:
| Quote: | Already, he seems to be making a whole lot of peace with capitalism. The band's recently completed tour was sponsored, in part, by Pepsi.
Radical politics are a tradition in Oakland, the home of the Black Panthers at the height of their influence, though Riley was absorbing the gospel according to Karl well before he and his mom, dad and siblings moved to town. His father, Walter, was a Marxist whose own career in the civil rights movement started when he was a boy in North Carolina, soon after he heard about the 1959 lynching of Mack Charles Parker in Mississippi.
"He wastaken from his jail cell and shot," says the elder Riley, now 57, in a telephone interview. "I just couldn't understand how that could happen. I went downtown and asked how to get involved." As a teenager, he worked for the NAACP, which later led to an afternoon with Malcolm X, who made a deep impression: "He taught me that you could have a revolutionary approach to change to this society without being crazy."
Walter Riley started working for the Progressive Labor Party, organizing rent strikes and agitating for welfare rights. In his late thirties, he decided he needed more education. He went to law school and became a public defender. Today he's in private practice handling criminal defense cases.
He can't recall preaching to Boots, but he's pleased that his politics trickled into the lives of all three of his kids. "My wife and I hoped that our children would ingest our ideas," he says.
http://www.sfgreenparty.org/news/newsitem.gem?idx=192
COINTELPRO
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm
THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAM TO DESTROY THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIc.htm
May 1971
Hilliard is acquitted of the charge of threatening President Nixon’s life after the Government prosecution team refuses to disclose the contents of wiretaps involving Hilliard.
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/people/people_hilliard.html
I was honored to be in Barbara Boxers conference room with some of the most powerful democrats in the Bay Area represented as the delegates of the people including Delores Huerta, long-time civil rights leader and one of the founders of The United Farmworkers Union, Walter Riley, long-time activist and democratic party fundraiser
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/01/04/17127411.php
Defeating George Bush A conversation with Walter Riley, Matthew Hallinan and Vic
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/06/19/40983.php
Boots' dad wasn't always a lawyer, but he was always an activist. He held various other occupations, including bus driver, political organizer, and field secretary for the Congress of Racial Equality in the '60s. Eventually he got his law degree and became a public defender before eventually moving into private practice.
Like any parent, Walter Riley wanted his son to have a better life than the one he experienced in the Jim Crow-era Deep South. Yet while he urged Boots to go to college and possibly even "sell out and get a job," he supported and encouraged his son's rap dreams, putting up money for concerts and an indie label, Polemic Records, which released the Coup's first EP and is still run by Boots' brother Manuel. Many members of the civil rights generation haven't always seen eye-to-eye with the hip-hop generation, yet in the Rileys' case, little or no gap exists between father and son.
LINK
By the time the Coup released Party Music in late 2001, the group consisted of Boots, Pam the Funkstress, and Oakland MC T-Kash. The album received reams of press, and was declared the year's best album by the San Francisco Chronicle, made three of four top ten lists in The New York Times, and ranked number eight on the Village Voice's annual poll of music critics.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-04-26/news/feature_full.html
Raymond “Boots” Riley
A musical artist and poet residing in Oakland, California, Riley was a member of the 1990s “Marxist hip-hop” band the Coup which released four award-winning albums: Kill My Landlord, Genocide and Juice, Steal this Album and Party Music, which was named “best rap album of the year” by numerous publications. Riley has taught several workshops on arts and activism, in which he developed “guerilla hip-hop concerts,” mobile concerts on flat bed trucks
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/raceistheplace/performers.html
Riley wrote and performed the music for The Simpsons episode "Pranksta Rap". Matt Selman wrote the lyrics for the songs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coup
Homer and Bart try to convince Lisa and Skinner of how this lie has made people happier. Homer, flamboyantly trying to tell Lisa to "be cool", accidently wrecks a big-screen TV, prompting the entourage to level their guns at him. However, Alcatraaaz tells them all to relax, and using the infinite wisdom of the street, has the perfect solution: HOUSE PARTY!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pranksta_Rap
Piccadilly Catering Pam the Funkstress' catering business
http://www.piccadillycatering.com/ |
It's would be a whole lot easier to brush the issue of the Coup off with terms like parapsychology and precognition phenomena, but there is more to this than meets the eye. I do have the ability of precognition so I do not dismiss the possibility easily.
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Here's ol'Teddy-boys' take on the whole 'Coup' 9/11 coup thing.
| Quote: | 3.20.04
Two months before 9-11, a rap group, "Coup", was scheduled to release an album in November, 2001, but had already completed the art work for the cover. This cover was posted in July, 2001, showing the World Trade Centers in flames. One of the two individuals on the cover is conducting with two batons (possible symbolizing a wand) as if conducting the explosion, and the other individual is pressing the red button on a detonator with "Covert Labs" written on it. This infers that the explosion was detonated by remote control. The album cover has only the words "Party Music" on the side. The writing on the side, "Party Music", is quite possibly a subliminal message. When I re-arranged the letters of "Party Music", the message is "Earth Waste" or "Waste Earth". (See the bottom of the cover.) It should be noted that satanic cults are notorious for using subliminal messages. The star at the top left corner of the album cover depicts a Communist star.
The pictures of the towers: These photos were taped off NBC TV on September 11, 2001 and were reduced to frame by frame, 30 frames per second. No.001 shows the tower before the explosion; No. 147 shows the explosion on one floor; No.203 shows explosions on the floor below the explosion in frame No.147; Frame Nos. 227 and 241 appear to be additional explosions below the top two stories, or debris from the other explosions. Notice color and difference. No.255 clearly show the result of the explosions.
It is my opinion, as a result of 23 years of experience dealing with satanic cults, that the fall of the World Trade Center was executed by Satanists who have infiltrated the Government.
Ted L. Gunderson - FBI Senior Special Agent in Charge (RET) - California License No. 12878 |
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Intewresting exchange, wherein Peter Jennings is quickly corrected after his observations of the WTC situations:
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Famous ABC Anchor Makes Candid Observation, Is Immediately Corrected
On the day of the attack, ABC News anchor Peter Jennings made a candid observation about planned demolition as the cause of the South Tower's collapse. Although Jennings did not retract his statement, his co-anchor, Don Dahler, quickly stepped in to correct him. The following exchange was broadcast live on the ABC network within five minutes of the collapse of the South Tower at 9:59 AM.
Don:
It has completely collapsed.
Peter:
The whole side has collapsed?
Don:
The whole building has collapsed.
Peter:
The whole building has collapsed?
Don:
The building has collapsed.
Peter:
That's the southern tower you're talking about.
Don:
Exactly, the second building that we witnessed the airplane
enter, has been .. the top half had been fully involved in
flame; It just collapsed. There is panic on the streets.
Thousands of people running up Church Street, which is what
I'm looking out on, trying to get away, but the entire .. at
least as far as I can see .. the top half of the building ..
at least half of it .. I can't see below that .. half of it ..
just started with a gigantic rumble, folded in on itself and
collapsed in a huge plume of smoke and dust.
Peter:
We are talking about massive casualties here at the moment,
and we have... Whew.
Extraordinary.
Don:
There is panic on the streets.
There are people screaming and running from the site.
The gigantic plume of smoke has reached me
probably a quarter of a mile north of there.
Peter:
Now this is what it looked like moments ago.
My gosh.
The southern .. tower ... 10 o'clock eastern time this morning,
just collapsing on itself.
This is a place where thousands of people work.
We have no idea what caused this. Um ..
If you wish to bring ah .. anybody who ever watched a building
being demolished on purpose knows .. that if you're going to
do this you have to get at the .. at the under infrastructure
of a building and bring it down.
Don:
Peter?
Peter:
Yes Don.
Don:
What appeared to happen from my vantage point .. the top part
of the building was totally involved in fire, and there was ..
there appeared to be no effort possible to put that fire out.
It looked like the top part of the building was so weakened by
the fire that it just .. the weight of it just collapsed the
rest of the building .. that's what appeared to happen.
I did not see anything happening at the base of the building.
It all appeared to to start at the top and then just collapse
the rest of the building by the sheer weight of the top.
There was no explosion or anything at the base part of it,
but I .. I did see that the top part of it started to collapse,
the walls started to bulge out, bricks, glass, things coming
out, and then it collapsed in on itself,
and it appeared to just fold down from there, from the very top.
Peter:
Thanks, Don, very much.
Um, just looking at that, I don't know why, but I'm .. when was
the last time the United States was attacked in this manner it
was Pearl Harbor in 1941.
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Dahler's correction of Jennings is notable for several reasons.
Dahler's confidence about what he saw is curious, given that he has just watched the first collapse of a large skyscraper in history.
His contention that "the top part of the building was totally involved in fire" contrasts with photographs of the event.
He states that "it looked like the top part of the building was so weakened by the fire ..." but photographs do not show obvious buckling of columns prior to the collapse.
He description that "... it collapsed in on itself, and it appeared to just fold down from there," contrasts with what photographs and videos show: that the building exploded outward. |
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/retractions/jennings.html
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