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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:07 am    Post subject: Re: The true north, strong and free. Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
I had an interesting conversation with Pierre Trudeau (yes, THAT P.E.T.) in 1996.

His "vision" of Canada was one of using the "fusion" of the two solitudes (you have to be a Canadian to appreciate the reference) to generate a dynamic that would encourage Canadians to strive for identity as a nation as well as independence from the US. (He seemed to admire the US but was very wary of their influence on the Canadian psyche.)

It was only 5 minutes but what a 5 minutes... Idea


Peter, I can only imagine how captivating that must have been. He was a different kind of leader, for sure, so when you speak of the two solitudes, I can see that conversation taking place. You should blog about your experience with Trudeau... that would be interesting indeed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LelaBear wrote:
Awesome video, excellent work revealing the underbelly of the beast.

I, too, will circulate this clip far and wide, especially to my Canadian activist friends who will be delighted to see a fellow countryman stepping up to the plate.

Best of luck in getting this distributed far and wide.


VERY kind of you, lelabear, it is needed. it's interesting to note how some of the E.U. methodologies are being experimented with in canada. One can see the template here for applying the rules of Codex Alimentarius, H1Ni "emergency takeover" provisions...all kinds of things.

this may be one time when the canadians are the test market...not americans.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: New Documentary Mr Miller? Reply with quote

I really dig the info on this site. Anyway, I just signed up to make a comment here. I am Canadian. Mr Miller how about a documentary on the story of Arrow Air Flight 1285. Arrow Air Flight 1285 was a McDonnell Douglas DC-8-63CF jetliner, registered N950JW, which operated as an international charter flight carrying U.S. troops from Cairo, Egypt to their home base in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, via Cologne, Germany and Gander, Newfoundland. On the morning of December 12, 1985, shortly after takeoff from Gander en route to Fort Campbell, the aircraft stalled, crashed and burned about half a mile from the runway, killing all 256 passengers and crew on board.

The basic line of thought:

http://rokdrop.com/2009/12/02/arrow-air-flight-1285-canada%E2%80%99s-worst-aviation-disaster-remains-an-american-mystery/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Air_Flight_1285


New line of thought:

Quote: "The passengers on the ill-fated charter were U.S. Soldiers. All but twelve were members of the 3d Battalion, 502d Infantry, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault); eleven were from other Forces Command units; and one was a CID agent form the Criminal Investigations Command". The eleven were from other Forces Command units or Delta Operators/Grey Fox sent to False Flag micro nuke targets(s) in Beirut/Sinai/Southern Lebanon etc...

but

the detonators/timing loop mechanisms are programmed covertly to go off early. Overiding their own field codes. The operators were expected to perish along with the innocents during the micro second white hot flash. After a few moments, these men angry but focused, find the first transport homeward bound to get a little payback. Sir, we want a word. Here first hold this black case really tight...anyway...Word gets out on the operators quick exit from Theatre packing nukes, and their destination known. The mental giants at home dispatch a 'Death by Natural Causes' operator quickly to Gander, Newfoundland, Canada to deal with this problem. When Arrow_Air_Flight_1285 is refuelled and serviced, an altitude/fail-safe longwave Tx triggerable Thermite bomb is placed aboard to set the fireball in motion a few minutes later during takeoff.

First response by Newfie?Canadian gov was to cover entire crash site with dirt. HazMat response to a Broken Arrow situation (Nuclear). Reports of redhot metallic like orb (Thermate/Thermite Bomb) which burned clean through flight attendants body on and on...


Maybe there is a story there for your next documentary.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Morris Talansky,Global Technologies,Nova Scotia,SwissAir 111 Reply with quote

http://www.phillyimc.org/en/node/68116

Israel PM Ehud Olmert's Money Launderers,Swissair 111 Crash,9/11 Logan Airport
by Tony Ryals | 05.16.2008
author:
Tony Ryals
Summary:
What the NY Post and the New York Times failed to mention among other things was Morris Talansky's coincidental investment in Global Technologies Ltd in the 1990's whose Entertainment Network(purchased from another failed NASDAQ 'company' called INTERACTIVE FLIGHT TECHNOLOGIES, INC.) was blamed for Swissair 111 crash of September 2,1998.
What is even stranger is the coincidence of another Israeli controlled U.S. or NASDAQ penny stock,ICTS International, that guarded Logan Airport,Boston on 9/11, was controlled and managed by Menachem Atzmon who was also convicted of money laundering for his and Netanyahu's and Ehud Olmert's Likud Party.

Israel PM Ehud Olmert,Menachem Atzmon,ICTS International,Morris Talansky Global Technologies, U.S.Stock Money Launderers, WTC,9/11/01,SwissAir 111 Crash,9/2/98

by Tony Ryals
wolfblitzzer0@gmail.com

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http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/media/fact_sheets/a98h0003/execsummary_a98h0003.asp

Swissair 111 Investigation Report - Executive Summary

The following is an executive summary of the report by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) into the accident involving Swissair Flight 111 near Peggy's Cove, Nova Scotia, on the night of 2 September 1998. The aircraft, a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 with 215 passengers and 14 crew members on board, was on a scheduled flight from New York, United States of America, to Geneva, Switzerland...

Initial Wire Arcing
Reconstruction of the wreckage indicated that a segment of arced electrical cable associated with the in-flight entertainment network (IFEN) had been located in the area where the fire most likely originated. The Board concluded that the arc on this electrical cable was likely associated with the fire initiation event. The Board also concluded that it is likely that one or more additional wires were involved in the lead arcing event, and that the additional wire or wires could have been either IFEN or aircraft wires. Therefore, it could not be concluded that the known arcing event on the IFEN cable located in the area where the fire most likely originated was by itself the lead event.........





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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1950922/Ehud-
Olmert-is-'honest',-says-George-W-Bush.html
Ehud Olmert is 'honest', says George W Bush
The prime minister admitted last week that he took money from Morris Talansky, an American businessman, but has denied any wrongdoing, saying he would step down only if indicted..
"I understand the legal issue goes on and I ... respect Israeli rule of law," Mr Bush said.
"I have great relations with the prime minister, I find him to be a frank man, an honest man, an open man, a guy easy to talk to and somebody who understands the vision necessary for Israelis' security. The vision of the peace process is the same."
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Note that George W Bush and Ehud Olmert are both as dishonest in'business' as they are in politics and war. Both have used their political and class advantages to aid and abet and profit from 'securities' or stock fraud involving U.S. 'penny stocks'.Harken Energy involving some of the Bush's far right Saudi Arab allies and the bin Laden's is what bought George W Bush's ownership of a Texas Rangers baseball franchise.U.S. penny stock fraud for money laundering and fraud against investors has only increased post 9/11 and Ehud Olmert and his far right brethren have been among the beneficiaries.
And let's not forget that it was lesser known brother Bush brother, Marvin Bush,along with one or more members of the Kuwait Al Sabah royal family of Kuwait who ran the Kuwait-American company(should have been named Bush-Al Sabah) that in turn controlled the penny stock pump and dump scam called Securacom that had security responsibility for Dulles Airport - and along with AIG's Kroll, et.al. - also had responsibility for security of the WTC on 9/11/01.
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Israel PM Ehud Olmert,Menachem Atzmon,ICTS International,Morris Talansky Global Technologies, U.S.Stock Money Launderers, WTC,9/11/01,SwissAir 111,9/2/98

Recently the name of New York citizen Morris Talansky has been reported as an Israeli government witness against current Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert for taking bribes.In fact the Israeli government had a gag order in effect that prevented mention of New York 'businessman' Morris Talansky and his role as a witness against Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in a bribery investigation launched or ongoing by the Israeli government of it own Prime Minister.Right-wing Las Vegas and Macao casino owner Sheldon Adelson as well as Slim Fast's founder S. Daniel Abraham have been called to testify along with Talansky.
Daniel Abraham was previously named along with Australian billionaire Frank Lowy in regards to the Leumi Bank sale scandal that also alleges Olmert collusion in writing favorable terms for 'privitization' the of Leumi to suit them.

Parodoxically Cerberus hedge fund of Stephen Feinberg,ex U.S.Treasury Secretary John Snow,Dan Quayle and Haliburton's and Dick Cheney's Kellogg Brown and Root gang have since purchased about 10% of Leumi and allow Israeli penny stock criminals and right wing Americans such James Dale Davidson and ex CIA and Carlyle exec Frank Carlucci to use the bank for fraud and money laundering with U.S. penny stocks such as Pluristem(that claims to use stem cells from placentas for medical purposes) that Davidson promotes from the National Taxpayers Union near the Security Exchange Commission's Alexandria,Virginia office !

What the NY Post and the New York Times failed to mention among other things was Morris Talansky's coincidental investment in Global Technologies Ltd in the 1990's whose Entertainment Network(purchased from another failed NASDAQ 'company' called INTERACTIVE FLIGHT TECHNOLOGIES, INC.) was blamed for Swissair 111 crash of September 2,1998.
What is even stranger is the coincidence of another Israeli controlled U.S. or NASDAQ penny stock,ICTS International, that guarded Logan Airport,Boston on 9/11, was controlled and managed by Menachem Atzmon who was also convicted of money laundering for his and Netanyahu's and Ehud Olmert's Likud Party.So both Olmert's old money laundering pals,Talansky and Atzmon,appear to also dabble in airline 'security',
airline entertainment,spy satelites,etc..

And besides rumors that Mr.Talansky passed hundreds of thousands of dollars from anonymous donors passed through Talansky - the most disturbing fact to me is that most if not all of this corrupt money appears to derive from U.S. 'securities' or stock fraud against misinformed and deceived investors. I have already written,before news of Talansky 's involvement with Olmert was reported, about Olmert's involvement with both Michael Zwebner and his fraudulent Air Water Corp or UCSY U.S. penny stock scam that claims to manufacture machines that extract water from the air but only steals money by promoting and selling worthless U.S. penny stock shares and laundering through offshore accounts from the Cayman Islands to Liechtenstein to Israel ! The same goes ditto for Israeli Menachem Atzmon's ICTS International that used U.S. NASDAQ and defrauded investors to promote their worthless shares upon the U.S. market and besides feathering their own offshore accounts with the scam could even buy U.S. Huntliegh airport rent-a-cops and the contract to guard 9/11 up to and during the WTC tragedy of 9/11/01 ! Mr.Atzmon had already been convicted of the equivalent of money laundering between Israeli government and Likud Party accounts that Ehud Olmert barley escaped being charged with as well and yet the U.S. government allowed him and his Israeli 'business' partners to open up and incorporate ICTS International and to guard our most sensitive strategic real estate - Logan Airport,the WTC,etc. ! And all done and funded by ripping off investors with U.S. penny stock scams ! Even Ehud Olmert's partner Michael Zwebner of Air Water Corp fame had developed such a reputation for his sleazy 'business' practices in the UK before immigrating to the U.S. and Florida to operate U.S. penny stock money laundering operations that it should be a major embarrassment to the U.S. SEC or Securities Exchange Commission that has condoned such criminal activities with U.S. securities or penny stocks FOR YEARS BEFORE AND AFTER 9/11/01 !
It appears that the U.S. 'public company ' Global Technologies Ltd that Morris Talansky was an insider and beneficiary of even before it purchased Interactive Flight Technologies Inc whose inflight 'Entertainment Network' wiring may have been what brought Swissair flight 111 to its knees and to the death of all passengers onboard on 9/2/98 may well have played a roll in bankrolling now Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel.And Global Technologies appears designed, like Menachem Atzmon's,et.al.'s ICTS International that 'guarded' Logan Airport in Boston on 9/11/01 to be a money losing share
'distributing' or dumping operation whose very shares could be used not only to defraud investors - mainly Americans - as well as to launder money - including bribes to Israeli politicians such as PM Ehud Olmert and no doubt for influencing U.S. politicians with more bribes-donations to them as well !
Note that while I am not saying that Menachem Atzmon's ICTS International purposefully allowed 9/11 to happen or that Morris Talansky's,et.al.'s Global Technologies Ltd and its Entertainment Network purposely short circuited the Swissair 111's electric circuits - I am saying that they were both funded with money from deceived investors and using that money to influence both U.S. and Israeli government officials in their own favor as they continue to do to this day.I am also saying that individuals or corporations formed in the U.S. for the purpose of defrauding investors as in the case of Atzmon's et.al.'s ICTS International that has even sought an IRS tax rebate for all the dollars the ripped off U.S. investors and after presiding over the 'security' of some of U.S.' MOST STRATEGIC REAL ESTATE PRE 911.
ICST International has been coddled and protected at every level of the U.S. government from 'our' court system in New York by Judge Albert Hellerstein all the way to the White House and its political appointments to the U.S. IRS and the DOJ such as ex Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and now U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey who like Judge Alvin Hellerstein and Talansky and so many more politically governmentally connected individuals within spheres of influence in covering up 9/11/01 - are right wing Jews('Orthodox' or otherwise) - who have more allegiance to Israel than the U.S. itself - thus people like Talansky are traitors - but not to Israel because they are U.S. citizens ! They are traitors not to Israel but to the U.S..
Talansky also has given political donations to the Clintons,Rudy Giuliani and others.It should not be surprising that U.S. Attorney General Mukasey as well as his step son Marc Mukasey are also part of Giuiani's pro white collar penny stock crime law firm.
PM Olmert has also been connected with Israeli Menahem Eitan of the Xybernaut U.S. penny stock pump and dump fraud who has defended Olmert's interests as a member of Israel's Winograd Committee investigation into 2006 war with Lebanon.Menahem Eitan who may be related to Rafael Eitan of the Jonathan Pollard spy scandal and is or was also a witness in Olmert's defense of corruption charges surrounding purchase of Olmert's Jerusalem apartment.Unfortunately the Israeli Menahem Eitan turns out to have used U.S. penny stock market for illegal pump and dump activities and probable money laundering along with ex Virginia Governor and Senator George Allen and Bill Clinton's first Jewish Ambassador to Morocco,Marc Ginsberg of Fox News and Huffington Post 'Middle East expert'fame.
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Although I do find find Morris Talansky's name attached to this old
Global Resources Group Inc. NASDAQ or penny stock company it appears as if the companies description of its activities in the 1990's paralels that of Mr.Morris Talanksy and his business associates - i.e.-satelite
communications.Talanksy and or his
Global Resources Group out of New York was coincidentally in litigation in NY court with Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd.'s ImageSat that although a 'public' company is also an or the Israeli government's own piece of the military industrial complex.
Some reporters or bloggers have suggested Talansky who is set to give testimony re Olmert and his funding of Olmert's political activities as mayor of Jerusalem or during his time as head of Ministry of Industry is a way of getting revenge on Olmert who isn't far enough right or 'orthodox' for some.However Talansky denies this but has actually hinted that he thought his life in danger due to his cooperation with Israel fraud investigators..............
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Vancouver Libertarian Paul Geddes brings CIA,etc., to Canada Reply with quote

Oh,speaking of Canada,this is a funny one.I'll use the Canada indymedia link,most particularly because I'm still in shock that they didn't censor it and seem to even like it.However the phillyimc.org version is different
because I had to break it in bits to get it to upload and I used it to reply in real time as Lila Rajiva was freaking out about it in real time on her website.Hee Hee.
Not a word of complaint from Vancouver Canada 'libertarian' Paul Geddes and the Loyola University racist 'white semite' Walter Block however.Maybe they liked it as well.Ha.
Actually I used to use and like the londonontario.indymedia till they shut it down.There use to be several.What happened ?.....

Vancouver Libertarian Paul Geddes brings CIA racist stock money ...28 Apr 2010 ... and by association Vancouver Libertarian Paul Geddes cavort with I .... quote ftom Walter Block who is Vancouver Libertarian Paul Geddes ...
www.phillyimc.org/.../vancouver-libertarian-paul-geddes-brings-cia-racist-stock-money-launderers-canada

http://www.cmaq.net/en/node/40418

Vancouver Libertarian Paul Geddes brings CIA racist stock money launderers to Canada
Anonyme, Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 00:12
(Analyses | Globalisation)


Author:
Tony Ryals
First paragraph (Teaser):
Aren't you as a Canadian capable of creating your own political party that at least has no ties to stock fraud,money laundering gold and mortgage scams of the U.S.Libertarian Party and Republican 'libertarian-in-chief' Ron Paul with his criminal ties to James Dale Davidson's,Lord William Rees-Mogg's and ex CIA 'economist' Mark Skousen's Agora Inc crime family ?!

Naked Short Lie: Agora Inc., Lila Rajiva, Walter Block: Vancouver Libertarian

Paul Geddes brings CIA racist stock fraud money launderers to Canada...

Also Loyola U. Fascist Racist Walter Block

Walter Block Loyola Jesuit money launderer and biggoted racist
against African-Americans allowed to speak................
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding:

Quote:
Israel PM Ehud Olmert's Money Launderers,Swissair 111 Crash,9/11 Logan Airport
by Tony Ryals | 05.16.2008
author:
Tony Ryals blah blah blah


- too much text hiding convoluted ideas

The US government did 9/11. Not Israel, UK or anyone else. Israel is a parasitic welfare case that is doomed to failure. The myth that they are all powerful and run the world is perpetuated by peeps like you. Your diatribes are right out of the Cointel playbook. Your ideas belong more on WRH or that garbage site Infowars.com than here.

This post concerns Canada's mirroring the US not the Aparheid state of Israel nor it's Neanderthal policies.

I see no reason to respond to these rants ever again. Waste if time and braincells.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sasha wrote:

- too much text hiding convoluted ideas


Agreed, Fuck Tony Ryals Twisted Evil

@ Kevin Miller :

Thanks for the integrity as always, you are a gigantic influence on me as a documentary film-maker. On a slightly unrelated topic, if you have the time I'd love to know what kind of Video Camera (at least I think it's video?) and editing software you used for this latest.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: A Confederacy of Dunces Reply with quote

Perhaps the two of you should get together and form a confederacy of dunces.I don't blame all Israelis and certainly not my fellow Americans who just happened to be born 'jewish' for 911.On the other hand I have gathered enough info to know it was not just the U.S.government or individuals in it who are responsible for it.Why else would the Netherlands not have at the very least removed ICTS International and Menachem Atzmon who could be charged for decades of stock fraud and money laundering against Americans and other investors and also at least for involuntary manslaughter from Schiphol Airport immediately after 911 ?
And yet they are still their in Amsterdam providing security for international passengers !

It is you who make unsubstantiated claims of thermite on that plane you mention not me.The case of Swissair and Talansky is much clearer and straight forward and even more recent than your example of supposed conspiracy.Talansky of the Swissair incident also bribed ex Israeli PM Ehud Olmert and he did it with money from stock fraud of which the IFEN investment that brought that Swissair flight down Goff Nova Scotiais one good example.Also involved with Talansky in the IFEN Global Technologies fraud are the NY Zionists Wolfson fmaily,Abraham and sons who also could easily bee convicted for stock frauds not n IFEN but also Sulphco and MANY more.

And ex Israeli PM iEhud Olmert is coincidentally connected to the Israeli military and government men who ran and continue to run ICTS International that not omly through their negligence to be optimistic alllowed Mohamed Atta et.al. to board at L;ogan on 911 but also Richard Reid the shoebomber to board in DeGualle airport Paris France a short while later and for the Nigerian to board at Schiphol in Amsterdam this last Christmas.So it it you two who are both idiots and hate mongers not me.

Olmert was also part of British Israeli Michael Zwebner's UCSY or Air Water Corp the sued Wolf Blitzer and CNN for 100 million dollars in Florida in 2005 mainly because I Tony Ryals used wolfblitzzer0 on ragingbull.con penny stock promotion website to criticise that fraud.And
you can find death threats against me from them as well if you searched the internet rather than attacked me here for no reason.

It should also be added that besides ex Homeland Security Zsar Michael Shertoff who used his political position to to all this up it ids also NY Judge Alvin Hellerstein whose son lives on occupied Palestinian land and another relative named Ran Hellerstein is a big man in Israel Elbit that some believe make thermite besides other military industrial products and that Norway divested from because of its connectionds to that cement wall Israel designed to keep their apartheid separation from Palestinians intact.

Yes stock fraud funded 911 and Paul Geddes of Vancouver just invited more U.S. government and it would appear Israeli connected stock fraudsters to Canada.It would appear that you to fit your descriptions of me better than I do.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bri wrote:
Sasha wrote:

- too much text hiding convoluted ideas


Agreed, Fuck Tony Ryals Twisted Evil

@ Kevin Miller :

Thanks for the integrity as always, you are a gigantic influence on me as a documentary film-maker. On a slightly unrelated topic, if you have the time I'd love to know what kind of Video Camera (at least I think it's video?) and editing software you used for this latest.


Hi bri... thanks for the humbling comments. i am elated that you find my work inspiring in some way! I'm happy to have this discussion with you, but I'd invite you to write to me at: FilmLLC@yahoo so that we don't get too technical here on breakfornews.

Suffice it to say that every frame...every image is examined and great care is taken to "align" them, in terms of color, placement, and more.

It's cool of you to compliment me. I'm just a guy out here doin' my best to make interesting films, for 1/1000th of what Michael Moore does! lol...Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sasha wrote:
Regarding:

Quote:
Israel PM Ehud Olmert's Money Launderers,Swissair 111 Crash,9/11 Logan Airport
by Tony Ryals | 05.16.2008
author:
Tony Ryals blah blah blah


- too much text hiding convoluted ideas


This post concerns Canada's mirroring the US not the Aparheid state of Israel nor it's Neanderthal policies.



Hey Sasha... it's great to hear from you...great posts here!! Thanks for the suggestion on the doc... let me ask around a bit. I am actually aware of the "crash." if you want to get into any specifics, give me a shout at FilmLLC@yahoo.com ... okay?

peace...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: New Film: A Question Of Sovereignty Reply with quote

@ Kevin Miller:
Thanks

I prefer having done some research before posting anything. I have not looked at this info in a while. So here is a bit more concerning Arrow Airlines (CIA front) Flight 1285:

December 12, 1985 in the early morning flight 1285 departed from an airport in Newfoundland. Shortly after taking off, no more then half a mile away from the runway the plane mysteriously crashed. There were 256 people a board, eight of which were the flight crew and the other 248 were U.S service men. They all died. A day after the crash Canadian government and U.S government received messages from a terrorist group called “Islamic Jihad” claiming responsibility for the crash. This suspicious "accident" has many red flags that include: - Islamic Jihad immediately claim responsibility - 4 of the boards 9 investigators thought an explosion caused the crash - The wreckage was fragmented showing signs of explosion. - The US Government strongly denies that the flight carried weapons and ammunition as cargo, however, eyewitnesses reported seeing large wooden boxes loaded onto the plane and rescue workers reported seeing the wooden boxes along with missiles and ammunition canisters. - First responders shortly thereafter began to complain of health problems. The symptoms ranged from heart attacks to severe liver problems and were similar to someone who had been exposed to high doses of radiation. - Unnamed sources detail that the US Government have sealed the records of this crash for 70 years. - The US Government bulldozed the crash site only 3 months after the accident. - The US Government buried the plane wreckage in a dump instead of reassembling the plane to study what caused the plane to crash. - Experts analysis of the wreckage obtained by the victims family members show that edges were bent outwards showing that a blast occurred inside of the plane. - Autopsies revealed that the victims had inhaled a significant amount of carbon monoxide before the plane impacted with the ground.

After extensive investigations, the Canadian and American governments had proved that ice build up on the wings was to blame for the crash and nothing else. A memorial to the victims of this disaster has been set up overlooking the crash site on Gander Lake in Newfoundland. This death toll constituted to be the deadliest plane crash in Canada and remains so to this date. The 80's version of the Muslim boogey man was running full bore.

Links:
http://www.realdiehl.com/RDRAboutRealDiehlMilitaryGanderCrashMemorial.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/1989_cr/h890720-gander.htm
http://www.fortcampbellcourier.com/search/?t=article&q=gander+crash
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/12/12/Air-Arrow-051212.html
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Arrow_Air_Flight_1285
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975391,00.html

Black Ops:
http://spookterror.blogspot.com/2009/09/lockerbie-arrow-air-flight-1285-gander.html
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a121285gandercrash#a121285gandercrash

Broken Arrow Debate:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2005/12/12/nf_arrow_air_20051212.html

CIA Fronts (Arrow Air):
http://www.robkettenburg.net/24.htm

Ammo found at crash site:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Charred_weapons_found_in_the_wreckage_of_Arrow_Air_Flight_1285.jpg

Gues Who (Plunderbird Pupppet Porter Goss):
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/12/12/18466399.php

Video background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONgTyYAfKQ8&feature=player_embedded
http://en.kendincos.net/video-phjvdtr-the-very-suspicious-1985-plane-crash-of-arrow-air-flight-1285-in-gander-newfoundland.html

Victim List:
http://nlt.rootsweb.ancestry.com/disasters/gander/

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Kevin for yet another great film on issues which
are close to the hearts of many people and which get
scant or flimsy coverage in mainstream.

Here on BFN we deal with the nuts and bolts of the battle.

But there is no substitute for quality movies which bring a
mass audience up to speed. You're doing that very well.
Every movie you've made is non-hysterical, well-argued
and persuasive. Vital messages in this time.

You've described your father as "conservative to the core,"
and "the most ethical man I’ve ever known." Some things
are worth conserving and ethical issues are at the heart of
all your work. Looks like his key values rubbed off on you.

Dunno how you manage to keep doing what you do.

But then, you probably don't either. Wink

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