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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to keep the subject current, this from this mornings (2/12/09) Daily Express.
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CLIMATE CHANGE 'FRAUD'

CLIMATE CHANGE: Many experts claim man-made global warming is melting see ice

Wednesday December 2,2009
By John Ingham

THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a “load of hot air underpinned by fraud”.

Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.

In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.

He said carbon dioxide has had no impact on temperature and that recent warming was part of the natural cycle of climate stretching over ­billions of years.

If you have to argue your science by using fraud, your science is not valid.

Professor Pilmer

Prof Plimer told a London audience: “Climates always change. They always have and they always will. They are driven by a number of factors that are random and cyclical.”

His comments came days after a scandal in climate-change research emerged through the leak of emails from the world-leading research unit at the University of East Anglia. They appeared to show that scientists had been massaging data to prove that global warming was taking place

The Climate Research Unit also admitted getting rid of much of its raw climate data, which means other scientists cannot check the subsequent research. Last night the head of the CRU, Professor Phil Jones, said he would stand down while an independent review took place.


Professor Plimer said climate change was caused by natural events such as volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earth’s orbit and cosmic radiation. He said: “Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now.

“In the past we have had rapid and significant climate change with temperature changes greater than anything we are measuring today. They are driven by processes that have been going on since the beginning of time.”

He cited periods of warming during the Roman Empire and in the Middle Ages – when Vikings grew crops on Greenland – and cooler phases such as the Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age from 1300 to 1850.

And he predicted that the next phase would cool the planet.

Climate change is widely blamed on the burning of fossil fuels which release greenhouse gases such as CO2 into the atmosphere, where they trap the sun’s heat.

The talks at Copenhagen are expected to find ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions globally.

But Professor Plimer, of Adelaide and Melbourne Universities, said that to stop climate change Governments should find ways to prevent changes to the Earth’s orbit and ocean currents and avoid explosions of supernovae in space. Of the saga of the leaked emails, he said: “If you have to argue your science by using fraud, your science is not valid.”

The CRU’s Professor Jones has admitted some of the emails may have had “poorly chosen words” and were sent in the “heat of the moment”. But he has categorically denied manipulating data and said he stood by the science. And yesterday he dismissed suggestions of a conspiracy to alter ­evidence to support a theory of man-made global warming as “complete rubbish”.

But mining geology professor Plimer said there was a huge momentum behind the climate-change lobby.

He suggested many scientists had a vested interest in promoting climate change because it helped secure more funding for research. He said: “The climate comrades are trying to keep the gravy train going. Governments are also keen on putting their hands as deep as possible into our pockets.

“The average person has been talked down to. He has been treated like a fool. Yet the average person has common sense.”

But Vicky Pope, head of Met Office Climate Change Advice, said: “We are seeing changes in climate on a timescale we have not seen before.

“There clearly are natural variations. But the only way we can explain these trends is when we include both man-made and natural changes to the climate.

“We have also seen declines in summer sea ice over the past 30 years, glaciers retreating for 150 years, changing rainfall patterns and increases in subsurface and surface ocean temperatures.”

And as the war of words between the rival camps intensified, leading economist Lord Stern dismissed the sceptics as “muddled”.

Lord Stern, who produced a detailed report on the issue for the Government, said evidence of ­climate change was “overwhelming”. He accepted that all views should be heard but said the degree of ­scepticism among “real scientists” was very small. Link...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, the counter-attack (read: MSM heads in the sand) sure is in full swing. We're all SCARred for life and SCARed to death!


Yet again, most of the readers' comments are manna from Heaven.


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Major cities at risk from rising sea level threat

From The Times December 1, 2009

Hannah Devlin and Robin Pagnamenta

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6938356.ece




(Mischa Keijser/Hollandse Hoogte/eyevine)
The predicted rise in sea levels would engulf island nations such as the Maldives in the Indian Ocean and Tuvalu in the Pacific, devastate coastal cities such as Calcutta and Dhaka and force London, New York and Shanghai to spend billions on flood defences



Sea levels will rise by twice as much as previously predicted as a result of global warming, an important international study has concluded.

The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research (SCAR) calculated that if temperatures continued to increase at the present rate, by 2100 the sea level would rise by up to 1.4 metres — twice that predicted two years ago.

Such a rise in sea levels would engulf island nations such as the Maldives in the Indian Ocean and Tuvalu in the Pacific, devastate coastal cities such as Calcutta and Dhaka and force London, New York and Shanghai to spend billions on flood defences.

Even if the average global temperature increases by only 2C — the target set for next week’s Copenhagen summit — sea levels could still rise by 50cm, double previous forecasts, according to the report.

SCAR, a partnership of 35 of the world’s [ahem] leading climate research institutions, made the prediction in the report Antarctic Climate Change and Climate.

It far exceeds the 0.59 metre rise by the end of the century quoted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2007.

This was based on a “business as usual” approach by governments that allowed temperatures to rise by 4 degrees.

It will underpin the negotiations in Copenhagen.

SCAR scientists said that the IPCC underestimated grossly how much the melting of the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets would contribute to total sea-level rises.

One of the world’s leading experts on climate science has called for the world to intensify efforts to control global warming by actively removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere [yawn].

In an interview with The Times, Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, said that geo-engineering, where carbon is stripped from the atmosphere using specialist technologies, would be necessary to control runaway damage to the climate. “At some point we will have to cross over and start sucking some of those gases out of the atmosphere.”

He added that world leaders meeting in Copenhagen should aim for a tighter target of no more than a 1.5C rise in global temperatures.

The IPCC report predicted that the melting of ice sheets would contribute about 20 per cent of the total rise in sea levels, with the majority coming from the melting of glaciers and the expansion of the water as it warms.

It said that it was not able to predict the impact of melting ice sheets, but suggested this could add 10-20cm.

The SCAR report uses detailed climate observations over the past century linking temperature to sea levels to produce a more sophisticated estimate. It puts the likely contribution from ice sheets at more than 50 per cent.

The calculations were carried out by Stefan Rahmstorf, Professor of Physics of the Oceans at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany.


Sceptics seized upon his figures as further evidence of the unreliability of climate change predictions.


“It’s 50cm, 60cm, 100cm — 60m if you ask James Hansen from Nasa,” said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation .

“The predictions come in thick and fast, but we take them all with a pinch of salt. We look out of the window and it’s very cold, it doesn’t seem to be warming. We’re very concerned that 100-year policies are being made on the basis of these predictions



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stridency of the 'message' in that link would suggest that the Master Criminals of the NWO("Climatechange" division) are getting perhaps a bit desperate?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atm wrote:
Why do I have a niggling doubt about Lord Monkton? Suddenly we're in bed with the aristocracy?

His appearance on a certain Texan's radio show recently should ring alarm bells.

I'm glad I'm not alone here.

There's something just not right -- or too damn right -- about this character.


atm Idea


It looks a bit like what we saw with Michael Rupert on the CIA-drug connection. He is saying all the right things at the right time, then to use his credibility to lead us up the garden-path with another topic.

Thinking of his remarks about DDT being harmless as sugar, I would venture a guess that he will turn out to be a great supporter of GMO's. I almost expected him to get started on GMO's when he talked about millions of dead people due to not using DDT.

I don't know the DDT problematic at all, maybe he is right. But I can hear him burbling away in the same vein about billions of people dying, due to a lack of GMO crops, children going blind because they don't get vitamin A enriched rice.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just now looking into the Food angle. It's pretty obvious an excuse will be used to CHARGE HIGHER PRICES for food and food products. Further looks like these clowns are running out of ways to screw people out of hard earned monies. Makes one wonder what's on the drawing board.

Question: Do leds' really cost more to manufacture that the old standbys?

Oh but my wife says " THEY LAST LONGER AND USE LESS JUICE " So never mind they cost 5 x's as much~~~ IT'S WORTH IT Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Camagüey wrote:
atm wrote:
Why do I have a niggling doubt about Lord Monkton? Suddenly we're in bed with the aristocracy?

His appearance on a certain Texan's radio show recently should ring alarm bells.

I'm glad I'm not alone here.

There's something just not right -- or too damn right -- about this character.


atm Idea


It looks a bit like what we saw with Michael Rupert on the CIA-drug connection. He is saying all the right things at the right time, then to use his credibility to lead us up the garden-path with another topic.

Thinking of his remarks about DDT being harmless as sugar, I would venture a guess that he will turn out to be a great supporter of GMO's. I almost expected him to get started on GMO's when he talked about millions of dead people due to not using DDT.

I don't know the DDT problematic at all, maybe he is right. But I can hear him burbling away in the same vein about billions of people dying, due to a lack of GMO crops, children going blind because they don't get vitamin A enriched rice.


Having read up on DDT, I have changed my mind. DDT is indeed dangerous and whoever declares it to be harmless is off his rocker. So with his statement about DDT the man is making a reverse George Galloway, starting out by proclaiming himself totally untrustworthy and then debunking global warming. Where does that put us?

I will start believing in global warming, if I get exposed to more people like him. And that is probably the idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Professor in climate change scandal
helping police with their enquiries while
researchers call for him to be banned


By Fiona Macrae - 7:31 PM on 02nd December 2009

The scientist at the heart of the climate change email scandal was today interviewed by police about the scandal.

Two plain clothes officers arrived in an unmarked car in the afternoon and took Professor Phil Jones to Norfolk Police's headquarters in nearby Wymondham to give a statement.


Sources said the interview concerned the theft of emails from the university and alleged death threats since the contents of the emails were released, adding he was being treated as a 'victim of crime' rather than a suspect in any criminal investigation.

Detective Superintendent Julian Gregory added: 'He is one of the people assisting police with their enquiries.'

A spokeswoman for the University of East Anglia refused to comment and said Professor Jones would not be adding to a statement he released on Tuesday.

The professor refused to comment at his detached home in Wicklewood, a few miles outside Norwich.

Meanwhile, researchers are calling for Professor Jones to be banned from contributing to agenda-setting United Nations reports.

Eduardo Zorita, an expert in European climate trends, said that future reports from the UN's International Panel of Climate Change would lack credibility if Professor Jones was involved in their compilation.

As director of the University of East Anglia's prestigious Climatic Research Unit, the professor has provided temperature data key to previous reports used by governments around the world when setting climate change policy.

Dr Zorita also said that the content of thousands of emails and documents stolen from the University of East Anglia's computer system and published on the internet confirmed that some global warming research was riddled with 'machination, conspiracies and collusion'.

He and colleague Hans von Storch were mentioned in more than 30 documents, with one email referring to Professor von Storch as 'frankly an odd individual'.

Other emails have been seized on by climate change sceptics as evidence that researchers have been manipulating raw data and discussing ways of evading Freedom on Information requests.

In one of the most damaging emails, Professor Jones seems to suggest using a 'trick' to massage years of temperature data to 'hide the decline'.

In another, he appears to respond to news of the death of climate sceptic John Daly with the words 'in an odd way this is cheering news!'

Others show British researchers apparently dismissing the work of scientists challenging the global warming orthodoxy as 'crap' and a top American climatologist admitting it was a 'travesty' that scientists could not account for the lack of global warming in recent years.

Dr Zorita, of the Institute for Coastal Research in Geesthacht in northern Germany, is an expert in climate change over the past 1,000 years and contributed to the most recent IPCC report.

He said that he was aware that his call for Professor Jones and others who wrote controversial emails to be banned from contributing to future reports could harm his career, but 'the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible any more'.

He said: 'I can confirm what has been written in other places: research in some areas of climate science has been and is full of machination, conspiracies and collusion, as any reader can interpret from the CRU files.

'The scientific debate has been in many instances hijacked to advance other agendas.'

The researcher added although he does not believe that manmade climate is a hoax, he and other researchers have been ‘bullied and subtly blackmailed’ to fit in the scientific mainstream.

'In this atmosphere, PhD students are often tempted to tweak their data so as to fit the "politically correct picture",' he said.

'Some, or many, issues about climate change are still not well known. Policy makers should be aware of these attempts to hide these uncertainties under a unified picture.'

The comments come in the wake of Professor Jones's decision to stand down from his university work while an independent investigation is carried out.

The professor said that he 'absolutely' stands by the science produced by the centre - and that suggestions of a conspiracy to boost the evidence for man-made global warming were 'complete rubbish'.

Issues to be probed include data security and whether the university responded to Freedom of Information requests.

However, the university was tonight unable to confirm if the data that appears to have been manipulated will be reanalysed.


Environmental chemist Professor Peter Liss will become acting director and further details of the review will be released 'within days'.

Professor von Storch, director of the Institute of Coastal research, said: 'This is a brave act on the side of Phil Jones and may be the only way to restore his authority as an excellent scientist.

'What is left for Phil Jones to do is to restrain from doing review work for journals, and, of course, he should stay away from the IPCC and similar assessment exercises.'

He added that the investigation should be led by a non-Briton and include input from climate change sceptics.

Dr Benny Peiser, director of the British-based Global Warming Policy Foundation, said: 'What is important is that the university comes clean on this and they don't fudge the inquiry.

'We need total transparency on this.

'If they try to set up some kind of whitewash panel which an inquiry that does not have the total trust of the public it will make matters worse.

'We have called for a High Court judge to chair the inquiry just to make sure that trust is restored.'

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The power lies in us....according to Paul Laughing

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By ROBERT WIELAARD, Associated Press Writer

BRUSSELS – Paul McCartney has taken his Meat-Free Monday campaign to the European Parliament, saying the power to halt global warming lies as much with individuals as with their governments.
McCartney met in Brussels with Rajendra K. Pachauri, head of the U.N.'s global climate change panel, and praised the virtue of skipping meat one day a week for the sake of the environment.

The former Beatle says the production of food — from farm to fork — accounts for 20 to 30 percent of global green house gas emissions. Livestock production is responsible for around half of these emissions.
Pachauri lauded McCartney's initiative, saying it "makes the tasks of governments so much easier."
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went back to campus today after a nice week off eating turkey, and what do i find? "Not Evil, Just Wrong" flyers EVERYWHERE.
Then i go into one of the labs and start conversing, when the subject came up-and mind you these are an assortment of scientists and engineers(but no climatologists, diff building)-and these people are like "what?". They seemed to not know the full story, but they were genuinely interested, and for the first time i found myself being able to explain without getting dirty looks or some asshole butting in telling me I'm a Republican, Al Gore hater. It felt kinda weird, i was prepared for a fight. Smile
But the MSM and science literature is sure doing their part at trying to stifle the truth, even though its not working!!!!!!!!! Laughing
And of course i go back the next day, and 90% of the flyers are gone, there is still a few up in key places where people will def see it, but someone went around tearing them down last night. Usually on campuses there are flyers EVERYWHERE for all types of subjects, and they usually stay up for a while. The flyer im talking about was about a screening of the documentary at the university cinema. These people are shameless. I wouldn't be surprised if it was some professors who did it.
Either way, The Cat Is Out Of The Bag, and I'm loving every second.
If anything it gives scientists, and inquisitors -who would normally be reluctant to talk for fear of ridicule- a free pass to voice there long unheard thoughts on the subject.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

urbanspaceman wrote:
A programmer's prospective on the CRU's unreliable math and data:



This vid may have some substance to it, but this guy in the vid is without question a shill. He likes to censor commenter's who present facts that AGW is a scam, even though he seems to have the same opinion. He censored every single one of my comments, along with others too.
The only reason i can think of that explains it is that he is a shill. People need to be careful around shills like this who are going to do nothing but discredit any quest for truth. These Alarmists really have no shame. Sometimes i wish hell was real, and has a nice dark corner for people like him.

edit:i apologize for the double post.
I'm tempted to set up a few proxies, and just spam the crap out of him...but that would just mean i sank to his level.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the NWO master criminals - "manmade climate change" section - will just proceed as usual as though nothing has happened. They most likely will continue the 24/7 saturation propoganda and expect the same billion$ in US tax-slaver 'funding' as before.

It is interesting to note that criminal al gore did cancel one major 'lecture' and return the ticket holders' money in copenhagen(Why is it whenever I think of Copenhagen the first thing that comes to mind is sex-change surgery?):

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.berlingske.dk/klima/al-gore-aflyser-foredrag-under-cop15&sl=da&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Gore not coming to Kopengahen at all.

Read more:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-unkind.html

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/5104
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

climategate humour:

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