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Hombre



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a sad conversation with my Brother-in-Law ( A HIGH SCHOOL SCIENCE TEACHER ) Friday night in regard to climate change/ global warming. It didn't last long due to his inability to consider anything other than what he's led to believe by the guidelines of the scripted material he's given to teach.

Rubbish is about all I can say. He claims that without doubt the Planet is warming and the last three years of data prove this as a fact, he'll not discuss the hacked e-mails because he claims that they don't matter because of the data. Laughing Never mind it may be fudged numbers, talk about narrow minded. Laughing

Yes he spins the Gulf stream and how the MELTING ICE CAP will ultimately deplete the salinity and cause COLD ASS AIR to rush over The Northern Hemisphere due to the Stream coming to a halt. Anyway the conversation came to an abrupt halt when we drifted off into the abyss of emissions TODAY compared to the sixties-seventies. His excuse is that now there are more people and higher levels of emissions being cast into the atmosphere, never mind that said emissions are 10 plus x's cleaner, that has NO IMPACT. Laughing Laughing

I guess it stands to reason that he believes we've been to the moon, Oswald acted alone, Ft Hood was one shooter, and of course 19 Arabs did 9-11. Anything else would jeopardize his future teaching credentials/opportunities/possible advancement within the system. Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evidence that Christopher Booker's article in the Daily Telegraph (posted above by atm) has been actively filtered out of search engines:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/11/googlegate.html

Stephen J Dubner, author of "Freakonomics", has covered the Climategate story at the New York Times. Thankfully he doesn't whitewash it (he is an AGW skeptic, actually). Is this enough to pull the story out of the right-wing box? Not for many of the 200 commentors, who are now the true "deniers":

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/climategate-the-very-ugly-side-of-climate-science/?apage=9#comments

Over at the CBC, people commenting in reaction to CBC radio's recent interview with David Suzuki and Al Gore are getting angry that the CBC will not even mention the story. The CBC won't EVEN do the service of whitewashing it. But, also thankfully, the CBC don't appear to be censoring the comments.

http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2009/11/whats_your_reaction_to_what_da.html

Will this story go beyond Global Warming, and become the public's first big en-masse protest against the MSM in favour of independent news on the internet? That would be nice to see.
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Hombre



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FOIA REQUESTS have caused them to admit ditching the data in favor of fudged and made up pie in the sky stuff.

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Climate change data dumped


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SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.


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In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

The CRU is the world’s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.

Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece

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atm



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hombre

I work in academia too. The level of denial amongst science teachers here is frankly, frightening.

I am either stonewalled or called kooky, behind my back, regardless of the empirical and scientific evidence that I present.

Oh, you cowardly clandestine covert colleagues!

I hear you, hombre.

What I adore about this non-debate is exactly that: it's a non-debate.

The death by a thousand head-butts is unstoppable, irreversable, though impervious; base ignorance and black propaganda pervade.

However, 'their' momentum can be countered effectively: AGW has passed 'The Tipping Point'.

We have the floor; just watch out for the BNP types, the planted fascist pseudo-bots who dance to 'their' own politically motivated partisan cacophony of nonsense.

The Next Level is beyond their grasp; it's ours for the exploiting, to their eternal chagrin.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lord Monckton interview is priceless. It's great to finally hear someone mock Global Warming, and relate it to how the real environmental movement has been hijacked, to it's detriment. As a typical internet liberal years ago, my introduction to GW denial was Rush Limbaugh, who simply denied there was any temperature change. And we all know what a "big fat liar" Rush is. Cool

That's been a lost point here - that those who sign on to AGW (at gunpoint, of course) are then relieved of their environmental conscience issues, not to mention their spare change. "Save the rainforests? Sorry, I gave when the AGW protection man came 'round to collect."
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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Fintan, for the Lord M interview. Makes things clearer to me.

The most astounding thing though is the GREED of these fuckers! It is truly beyond understanding!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some facts about this Lordie:

- Knight of Malta

- member of the Worshipful Company of Broderers

- Member of The Venerable Order of Saint John

- advisor to Margaret Thatcher

- Monckton is listed as a "Global Warming" expert for the Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based freemarket think tank. The Heartland Institute frequently attacks the scientific evidence for human-caused climate change. The Heartland Institute has received over $791,000 from oil-giant ExxonMobil since 1998.

The tobacco industry has also been a regular funder to the Heartland Institute, with at least $190,000 coming from Philip Morris since 1993. The Heartland Institute maintains a smoker's rights section on its website called "The Smoker's Lounge."

- Monckton is listed as a "Chief Policy Advisor" for the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI). The SPPI was until recently managed under the name "Center for Science and Public Policy Institute" by another freemarket think tank called the Frontiers of Freedom.
The Frontiers of Freedom has received over $1 million in funding from oil-giant ExxonMobil.

- Quote: "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently."

Dont't trust anyone, because they provide "experts" for all kind of groups
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with any of that. Do you?

How do you heat your home?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aurora025 wrote:
Some facts about this Lordie:

- Knight of Malta

- member of the Worshipful Company of Broderers

- Member of The Venerable Order of Saint John

- advisor to Margaret Thatcher

- Monckton is listed as a "Global Warming" expert for the Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based freemarket think tank. The Heartland Institute frequently attacks the scientific evidence for human-caused climate change. The Heartland Institute has received over $791,000 from oil-giant ExxonMobil since 1998.

The tobacco industry has also been a regular funder to the Heartland Institute, with at least $190,000 coming from Philip Morris since 1993. The Heartland Institute maintains a smoker's rights section on its website called "The Smoker's Lounge."

- Monckton is listed as a "Chief Policy Advisor" for the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI). The SPPI was until recently managed under the name "Center for Science and Public Policy Institute" by another freemarket think tank called the Frontiers of Freedom.
The Frontiers of Freedom has received over $1 million in funding from oil-giant ExxonMobil.

- Quote: "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently."

Dont't trust anyone, because they provide "experts" for all kind of groups

First off, that's all believable, and IMO it doesn't taint any of his "info."

Secondly, that's how this scam was "cleansed" in the first place. The oil companies all searched out any scientist who doubted the veracity of AGW and simply gave them funds. They also made no bones about this payoff, because the scam was to clearly identify anyone anti-GW as simply a "paid liar" (like Limbaugh) who was "in bed with Big Energy." I would guarantee that Exxon and BP and Shell and all of them will eventually benefit handsomely for their participation in this scam when all is said and done.

As far as his AIDS take, I think his take is just warped in that area and he's simply feeding the standard paranoia, but I'm not tuning in to him on that subject. Obviously he's a Right-winger, and their all a little crazy in some way.

But I find it interesting, given his apparent background, that he's one of the few "official voices" who's been on TV and given ample air time. Maybe because he's easily discarded as a "Right-wing loon", no matter how accurate he may be on the subject.

As far as his associates "attacking scientific evidence for human caused global warming", from the "evidence" I've seen, I say, "You go man!"

As I said before, so many times you may be sick of hearing it (I know I am), "The best way to reinforce a lie is have someone you hate tell you the truth." I wouldn't be at all surprised if it can't be contained, that the first "big time" politicians we see in the States mentioning ClimateGate (on Right-wing websites or Sunday "back page" TV) are Sarah Palin and/or Dickhead Cheney.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blond blond blond blond
Some good news here in Australia in the last hour.
Suck eggs Turnball, you bankers friend peanut, go back to the rock you crawled out under from!

[quote]
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Shock as Tony Abbott wins Liberal leadership by one vote
PHILLIP COOREY
December 1, 2009 - 7:56AM


The federal Liberal Party has elected Tony Abbott as leader and in an unprecedented secret ballot voted overwhelmingly to defeat the Government’s emissions trading scheme.

Seconds after Mr Abbott beat Malcolm Turnbull by one vote, he then declared a secret ballot on the ETS.

The motion proposed that the legislation should be delayed for three months, and if this could not be secured, then the legislation should be defeated.

The motion was carried by 54 votes to 29, guaranteeing the death of the Rudd Government’s ETS.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do I have a niggling doubt about Lord Monkton? Suddenly we're in bed with the aristocracy?

His appearance on a certain Texan's radio show recently should ring alarm bells.

I'm glad I'm not alone here.

There's something just not right -- or too damn right -- about this character.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Predictable and interesting but noteworthy just the same:

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Googlegate?

Posted by Richard Sunday, November 29, 2009

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/11/googlegate.html




Searching the Google news site for Booker's latest column


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

yields an interesting result – like it isn't there (above – click the pic to enlarge).

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/11/googlegate.html

That is using the search string: "Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation" – which is the full headline of the piece. I shows up where it has been quoted in full by other sites, but of the Booker column there is no sign. It has been "disappeared".

Repeating the exercise with other headlines from The Sunday Telegraph presents no problems. They come up straight away. Only the Booker column remains invisible.



Repeating the exercise with a new string "Christopher Booker" (above – click to enlarge) yields similarly interesting results on the news site. The column for last week shows up, and the week before. But of this week's column, there is no sign.

This cannot be accidental – there is a quite deliberate attempt to prevent this piece being listed.

Repeating the exercise on Bing.com and Yahoo.co.uk news pages gets similar nil results.

Yet other headlines from comment pieces from The Sunday Telegraph show up immediately.

James Dellingpole has picked up the problem (great minds) but my guess is that this isn't a Google issue.

The problem probably lies closer to home – there looks to be an enemy in the camp, who has probably been using this : http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/htaccess13.shtml, or something like it.
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