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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good Military folks at Walter Reed are covering their collective asses. It's funny how EVERYONE is willing to pitch their coin in the well after the fact.

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Walter Reed Officials Asked: Was Hasan Psychotic?


No-hell no of course Not. Shocked

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Starting in the spring of 2008, key officials from Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences held a series of meetings and conversations, in part about Maj. Nidal Hasan, the man accused of killing 13 people and wounding dozens of others last week during a shooting spree at Fort Hood. One of the questions they pondered: Was Hasan psychotic?

"Put it this way," says one official familiar with the conversations that took place. "Everybody felt that if you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, you would not want Nidal Hasan in your foxhole."


Not a GUY you wanted in your foxhole but the perfect guy to be counseling your PTSD Inflicted and Infected returning soldiers. Confused

One of the links posted a few back called this a VERY UNPROFESSIONAL COVER -UP.

I'm leaning toward 100% complete and total agreement.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120313570

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Packaging for pistol sight among items
found in Fort Hood shooter's apartment


07:19 AM CST on Thursday, November 12, 2009
By LEE HANCOCK / The Dallas Morning News
lhancock@dallasnews.com

KILLEEN, Texas – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's dingy apartment holds the odd remnants of a solitary military life, with hints of secrets and suggestions of terrible plans.

Investigators surrendered control of the apartment back to its owner Wednesday morning, nearly a week after the U.S. Army psychiatrist left it and drove to Fort Hood to attack his fellow soldiers and civilian employees, killing 13 and wounding 29.

A manager at the Casa Del Norte apartments allowed media into Hasan's one-bedroom, upstairs unit shortly after the owner inspected it, taped one closet shut and left, shaking his head. "The owner feels a little guilty," said manager Alice Thompson.

Patricia Villa, a neighbor, said Hasan left his apartment for the last time about 11 a.m. last Thursday, several hours before the attack. Earlier that morning, the major had brought Villa a large air mattress he had been using as a bed.

Villa said Hasan told her the day before that he was leaving for a deployment. He brought her four wooden bookshelves and cheap folding chairs, three clothes racks and a blue suit, frozen food and a nearly new microwave. Villa recalled that Hasan told her: "It looks like you need furniture. I have some stuff. I could help you."

Federal investigators arrived shortly after the shootings and sealed off the apartment.

Hasan signed a $300-a-month rental contract and moved into the gray, two-story complex just after being transferred to Fort Hood from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C.

A pile of multiple-choice tests from Hasan's psychiatric training sat on one corner of the apartment's kitchen counter. Topping the pile was an Oct. 16 letter from a budget insurance company in Austin, confirming Hasan's purchase of low-cost auto insurance.

A folding card table near the kitchen was covered in white plastic and a random scattering of belongings. Some hinted of Hasan's Arab roots and Islamic faith: a pile of Jordanian and Israeli coins, an Al Fajr-brand alarm clock and a white knit skull cap. Beside those items was a thin paperback book published in India in 1993, Dreams and Interpretations , by Allamah Muhammed Bin Sireen.

The book's back cover declares it "a must in every Muslim home." Its table of contents promises explanations for 900 dreams – everything from birth to breastfeeding, from seeing Allah to recognizing his messengers.

Hasan was born in the U.S. to Palestinian immigrants. Family members have said his parents weren't observant Muslims, and Hasan became increasingly devout after his mother died in 2001.

Other items on the table hinted of Hasan's professional aspirations. An Army-green business card bore his name under the heading: "Behavioral Health. Mental Health. Life Skills." Beneath Hasan's educational titles – medical doctor, psychiatrist, master of public health – were the letters "SoA (SWT)." Some Islamic Web sites identify those letters as abbreviations for "Servant of Allah" and a series of Arabic words that translate into "Glory to Him, the Exalted." The business card also bore an AOL e-mail address and a still-working cell phone number with a Maryland area code.

In the center of the table was clear-plastic packaging from a Laser Max brand pistol sight. Authorities have said one of the pistols Hasan used in the attack was outfitted with a red-laser sight. The plastic packaging in the apartment bore a $229.99 price tag. That is identical to those on Laser Max pistol sights sold at Guns Galore, a Killeen gun store where authorities say he purchased the weapons used in the attack.

Hanging on a rack in a closet were a tan-colored, knee-length Muslim shirt and pants similar to those that Hasan wore when photographed by security cameras at a convenience store. Clean white underwear and black socks and other clothing were piled in dryer. The only other articles of clothing in the apartment were a blue sweatshirt and Army fatigues piled on a plastic bin near the kitchen.

A Dockers shoebox on top of the dryer was crammed with bottles of vitamins and drugs. Several bottles held prescription antibiotics and cough medications issued to Hasan at Walter Reed in 2005. One bottle, still holding about a dozen pills, had a label stating that the prescription "Combivir" was issued for Hasan in 2001 at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.

Combivir was commonly used to treat AIDS at the time. It also has been prescribed for health care workers who may have been exposed to the virus in needle sticks.

That prescription bottle had the word "AZT" handwritten in block letters, a possible reference to another anti-AIDS drug. Behind the box of medicine, there was an empty bag with a Crown Royal liquor logo.

Thompson, the apartment manager, said Wednesday was the first time she had been in the unit since Hasan moved in.

"He just said unless he's home, he doesn't want nobody in that apartment – not unless he's here," she said. "I hadn't heard of anybody else who lives here saying that, but he just told the owner when he signed the contract, that that's how he wanted it."

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Fort Hood shootings suspect may have wired money to Pakistan

09:05 AM CST on Thursday, November 12, 2009
By DAVE MICHAELS / The Dallas Morning News
dmichaels@dallasnews.com


WASHINGTON – Authorities have been examining whether Fort Hood massacre suspect Nidal Malik Hasan wired money to Pakistan in recent months, an action that one senior lawmaker said would raise serious questions about Hasan's possible connections to militant Islamic groups.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., said sources "outside of the [intelligence] community" learned about Hasan's possible connections to the Asian country, which faces a massive Islamist insurgency and is widely believed to be Osama bin Laden's hiding place.

Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, would not identify the sources. But he said "they are trying to follow up on it because they recognize that if there are communications – phone or money transfers with somebody in Pakistan – it just raises a whole other level of questions."

Much remains unknown about the 39-year-old Hasan, born in Virginia to Palestinian immigrants. He lived alone near the Army base in Killeen, Texas, and would sometimes use a neighbor's computer even though he had his own.

"With what I know about Hasan to date ... I would expect we will learn more about him that will make us concerned," Hoekstra said, "rather than information that says, 'Oh man, we got that all wrong and this had nothing to do with terrorism.' "

Mystery of money

Hasan's finances have been a mystery since last week, when the Army major and psychiatrist allegedly shot and killed 13 colleagues at the sprawling Central Texas military base. Hasan earned more than $90,000 a year and had no dependents, yet lived in an aging one-bedroom apartment that rented for about $300 a month.

"You can bet there is an ongoing, extensive investigation into every single financial transaction he made," said Matt Orwig, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Texas who has no direct knowledge of the Hasan case. "Federal investigative agencies are very good at tracing the flow of money, both to him and from him."

Authorities know that Hasan sent repeated e-mails, starting some time in December 2008, to a radical Muslim cleric in Yemen. That cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, formerly served as imam of a large northern Virginia mosque where Hasan worshipped. The U.S.-born cleric praised Hasan after the massacre as "a hero."

In January, al-Awlaki told readers of his blog about "44 ways to support jihad" – a term often translated as "holy war." Many of his points dealt with ways to fund such efforts.

"Probably the most important contribution the Muslims of the West could do for Jihad is making Jihad with their wealth," al-Awlaki wrote. "In many cases the mujahideen are in need of money more than they are in need of men."

He also stressed the importance of "avoiding the life of luxury."

A spokesman for the U.S. Justice Department referred questions Wednesday to the FBI, which didn't return a message seeking comment. FBI officials have said they studied Hasan's communications with an unnamed radical Muslim and concluded they were a harmless part of his academic research.

Hoekstra said he wants to know whether authorities knew about Hasan's behavior when they decided his contacts with the Yemeni imam were essentially harmless.

"The conclusion based off just the e-mails might have been perfectly legitimate," Hoekstra said. "But if the [terrorism] analyst for some reason didn't have access to all this other information, that might be where the problem is."

'Strange, lonely guy'

Some of Hasan's former colleagues in the Washington area said his behavior raised red flags that should have been addressed. While pursuing a master's degree in public health, Hasan lectured a class about suicide bombers and the conflicts faced by Muslim U.S. soldiers fighting against other Muslims.

Doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, where Hasan trained and studied, questioned whether he was mentally unstable and a possible danger to fellow soldiers, according to National Public Radio. Discussions began in spring 2008 and continued over the next year.

"Put it this way," NPR quoted one unnamed source as saying, "everybody felt that if you were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, you would not want Nidal Hasan in your foxhole."

S. Ward Casscells, former assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, told The Dallas Morning News that Hasan had trouble connecting with patients and colleagues at Walter Reed.

"Doctors at Walter Reed I worked with say he was a strange and lonely guy who did not really earn the trust of his patients and fellow doctors," said Casscells, vice president for external affairs and public policy at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston. "They attribute that to his personality, not to religious discrimination."

Despite concerns about Hasan, his views and his poor job performances, the consensus was to send him to Fort Hood after he finished his medical training, The Associated Press reported. Fort Hood was considered the best assignment for Hasan because other doctors could handle the workload if he continued to perform poorly, and his superiors could document any continued behavior problems, the AP quoted an unnamed military official familiar with the discussion as saying.

Family members said shortly after last week's rampage that Hasan opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, wanted out the Army and had sought legal advice. But Pentagon officials said they found nothing to indicate that Hasan formally sought to leave the Army, the AP said.

Even if Hasan had sought a discharge, the Army almost certainly would have denied it, senior Army officials told The Washington Post. Hasan had a continuing obligation to the Army because it provided his medical training and promoted him in May to the rank of major.

Colleagues and associates have described Hasan as a loner who voiced his opposition to the wars, including his assertion that Muslims were justified in fighting American troops. Hasan's family has said he became more distressed as he learned he was about to be deployed to Afghanistan.

"He is a kind of fundamentalist. He thinks a Muslim must defend themselves," said Golam Akhter, a civil engineer from Bethesda, Md., who said he spoke with Hasan on several occasions at the mosque where they worshipped.

He said he knew Hasan was a doctor but didn't know he was a member of the Army.

"He used to dress in long dresses just like Pakistanis, and that made me also concerned," Akhter said. "Usually only the imam uses those loose and long shirts and sleeves. That made me [wonder], being very educated, why he is using the imam's dress."

Hard trail to follow?

Matthew Levitt, director of counterterrorism and intelligence at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said wire transfers to Pakistan would be "extremely significant in terms of a potential network for this particular case."

Tracing money to Pakistan could be easy if Hasan used a formal bank or wire service. It would be more difficult if he sent money under another name or used an informal channel known as hawala that is popular in Pakistan and doesn't involve paperwork.

"If it turns out the person was radicalized to the point he was sending money to other insurgents or other terrorists, that takes it to another level still," Levitt said.

Staff writers Brooks Egerton and Jim Landers contributed to this report.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The official version has the perp using only one semi-automatic pistol firing .22cal-size ammo. But early reports had other weapons mentioned--


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091105/ts_alt_afp/usshootingcrimemilitar
One of the shooters at large was believed to have a high-powered sniper rifle, and was holed up in a building surrounded by SWAT teams, MSNBC said.
"He heard small arms and some rifle fire while he was there.....''

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
KCEN quoted a source as saying the shooter had a high-powered rifle.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2379445/posts
forum post no. 30
dead shooter had 2 handguns, captured major carried a rifle

http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1099739&page=0#Post1099739
2 suspects with M16s, 1 neutralized.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=143149.40
forum post no. 572
I turned on Cnn.com at 2:30 central time. 1 hour after the shooting. They had a general on air, and said multiple times that they were using M-16s.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread516987/pg3
--foxnews-- A general is saying that M16s were involved [greeneyedleo]
--Retired Army General [Bob Scales] on the phone saying the weapons used were M16's [CX]
--Local news from Central Texas is still stating an assault rifle and hand guns. [pg 36 justaposter]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78425.html
Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=25770&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
From KCEN-TV in Waco, Texas:
Reports say the shooter had a high-powered rifle and was aiming to kill.



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IMO High-velocity rounds from a semi-automatic rifle would explain the high death count far better than that pea-shooter Hasan allegedly was using.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Hasan's living room, a crumpled prayer rug
shared the floor with a paper-shredding machine.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/inside-nidal-hasans-apartment/story?id=9058769

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The carton which contained the shredder is still in the room.
Indicating it was purchased just before the recent events.

Looks like this is the shredder.
Top of the range Staples model.

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Staples 22-Sheet Cross Cut Shredder

Price: $249.99

High capacity, jam resistant shredder with V-track™.


22-sheet cross-cut, heavy-duty, up to 100 uses/day
Runs for 20 min on before needing 80 off for downtime
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Shreds staples, credit cards, paper clips, CD's, DVD's and junk mail
Shred size: 5/32" x 19/32"
Jam resistant: Antijam with SmartSense™ technology, V-Track™, auto reverse
Dimensions: 16.34"W x 11.81"D x 26"H
1-year mfr. limited warranty

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, with enough time, those papers could be re-assembled. If they do that, then we can rest assured there will be "incriminating evidence" found inside. If they don't, then those are most likely lunch menus from the CIA commissary.

Then again... if the masses suddenly find out that paper shredding doesn't totally cover your tracks, there goes a crap-load of sales for the home office industry. Scratch that idea. Cool
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This photograph taken on Friday, Nov. 6, 2009 in Killeen, Texas, shows
a copy of the Quran and a briefcase holding this business card that Maj.
Nidal Malik Hasan gave to his neighbor a day before going on a shooting
spree at the Fort Hood Army Base. (AP)


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Now look at the card. Notice the SoA on the card? Soldiers of Allah. Followed by SWT, an abbreviation that usually follows the word Allah.

When writing the name of God (Allah), Muslims often follow it with the abbreviation "SWT." These letters stand for the Arabic words "Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala," or "Glory to Him, the Exalted." Muslims use these or similar words to glorify God when mentioning His name.

Definition: When writing the name of God (Allah), Muslims often follow it with the abbreviation "SWT." These letters stand for the Arabic words "Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala," or "Glory to Him, the Exalted." Muslims use these or similar words to glorify God when mentioning His name.
Pronunciation: sub-han'-a-hoo wa ta a la
Also Known As: Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala
Alternate Spellings: subhana wa ta'ala; subhanna wa ta'ala
Exampls: Muslims believe that Allah SWT created the universe.

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Mosque: Dar Al-Hijrah

Hasan's former mosque in Maryland is controlled by the
Muslim Brotherhood, the Saudi-funded jihadist movement
which controls many mosques in America.

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Jose Padilla, the owner of Hasan's apartment complex, said Hasan gave him notice two weeks ago that he was moving out this week.

Earlier this week, Hasan asked Padilla his native language. When Padilla said it was Spanish, Hasan immediately went up to his apartment to get him a Spanish-language Quran. Padilla said Hasan also refused to reclaim his deposit and last month's rent, surrendering $400 that the major said should go to someone who needed it.

[...]

Neighbor Patricia Villa said Hasan came to her apartment the day of the shooting, and before, to give her vegetables, an air mattress, T-shirts, a Quran and offer her $60 to clean his Killeen, Texas, apartment after he left.

Jacqueline Harris, 44, who lives with her boyfriend, Willie Bell, in the apartment next door to Hasan, said he called Thursday at 5 a.m. and left a message.

"He just wanted to thank Willie for being a good friend and thank him for being there for him," Harris said. "That was it. We thought it was just a nice message to leave."

Bell said Hasan offered a farewell, saying, "Nice knowing you, old friend. I'm going to miss you."


Hasan was reportedly paying $350 a month for the apartment.

He was making about $6,250/month including subsistence.

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In January, al-Awlaki told readers of his blog about "44 ways to support jihad" – a term often translated as "holy war." Many of his points dealt with ways to fund such efforts.

"Probably the most important contribution the Muslims of the West could do for Jihad is making Jihad with their wealth," al-Awlaki wrote. "In many cases the mujahideen are in need of money more than they are in need of men."

He also stressed the importance of "avoiding the life of luxury."

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought "SOA" meant "Still On AOL." Neutral
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Fintan"]

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Packaging for pistol sight among items
found in Fort Hood shooter's apartment

In the center of the table was clear-plastic packaging from a Laser Max brand pistol sight. Authorities have said one of the pistols Hasan used in the attack was outfitted with a red-laser sight. The plastic packaging in the apartment bore a $229.99 price tag. That is identical to those on Laser Max pistol sights sold at Guns Galore, a Killeen gun store where authorities say he purchased the weapons used in the attack.
Wouldn't this be considered evidence tying the alleged perp to the murder weapon? Has there ever been a mass random-rage killer who hasn't left an incriminating trail of evidence like extra guns and ammo in his domicile and his vehicle? [They haven't talked about his car yet, but you can bet it had incriminating evidence left behind too.]

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One bottle, still holding about a dozen pills, had a label stating that the prescription "Combivir" was issued for Hasan in 2001 at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.
Combivir was commonly used to treat AIDS at the time. It also has been prescribed for health care workers who may have been exposed to the virus in needle sticks. That prescription bottle had the word "AZT" handwritten in block letters, a possible reference to another anti-AIDS drug.
Seriously, if you were cleaning house for the last time, would you leave behind evidence that screams ''I'm gay''? I guess if the ''he was an Al-Queda nutcase'' theory of motive doesn't pan out, they will fall back on the 'self-loathing, closeted gay man under an HIV death sentence'' theory of motive.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/massive-media-fail-female_b_355600.html


Greg Mitchell

Author, "Why Obama Won"
Posted: November 12, 2009 01:41 PM


Massive Media Fail: Female Cop Did Not Bring Down Fort Hood Killer


With the publication of an interview with Sgt. Mark Todd, the actual cop who gunned down the killer at Fort Hood -- following its account of an unnamed eyewitness last night -- The New York Times finally underlined what some of us noticed from nearly the start: the media fell hook, line and sinker once again for a military account of what happened during the tragedy.

First, it was the "death" of Major Hasan, not corrected for many hours. Then, for days, the story of how a white female cop brought down the shooter, even as she was receiving serious wounds. Yet I noticed just hours after the attack that scattered eyewitnesses, via the Web and Twitter, were saying that the killer re-loaded after Kimberly Munley went down.

How could he have done that if she had just plugged him four times, supposedly ending the rampage? Some of those witnesses said they yelled at the second cop to shoot Hasan--which he did, and then went up and kicked his gun away. Yet for almost a week the media rarely questioned the military's "official" story of Munley as savior. The New York Times was one of many who put Munley on the front page and declared that she was the person who nailed Hasan. Its headline: "She ran to gunfire, and ended it." It said flatly that she "brought down the gunman."

To its credit: The Times much later did help bring out the truth.

Most news outlets for days labeled Munley "the" (singular) Fort Hood hero. She was the "Mighty Mouse." It wasn't until two days ago that Sgt.Todd got feature billing, although in a secondary role. Now, in the past day, he is finally getting his due as the original account begins to fall away. The cop who saved the day is a black man, not a white woman.

What else will turn out false about Fort Hood claims from military, e.g. the "Allahu Akbar" shouts by Hasan? Was there any reason that the military deliberately boosted Munley and slighted Todd?

Yes, Munley is a hero for facing the bullets. And, no, this isn't another Jessica Lynch case, but it does have some disturbing similarities. Fool me once, blame the military. Fool me twice, blame the media. What happens next?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that set up by the feds was leading up to this?

From the 'Houston Chronicle':

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FBI says Hasan wasn't involved in terrorist activities

The FBI said today that it appears Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan acted alone in the Fort Hood shootings, and was not involved in terrorist activities when a joint terrorism task force crossed paths with him last year.

At this point, there is no information to indicate Major Nidal Malik Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot, the FBI said in a statement. The investigation to date has not identified a motive, and a number of possibilities remain under consideration. We are working with the military to obtain, review and analyze all information relating to Major Hasan in order to allow for a better understanding of the facts and circumstances that led to the Fort Hood shooting. Understandably, there is a large volume of information in various forms, and it will take us some time to complete this work.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6717231.html
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At this point, there is no information to indicate Major Nidal Malik Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot, the FBI said in a statement.


Other than all those early reports of additional shooters, of course--


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
At least one person is "neutralized" in connection with the incident, and a second is "cornered," retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore told CNN, citing "unofficial, unconfirmed reports" from two sources.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091105/ts_alt_afp/usshootingcrimemilitar
Armed gunmen Thursday killed .....
A suspect was in custody, Master Sergeant Tim Volkert at Fort Hood told AFP.
But a Killeen police department spokeswoman warned there were still suspects at large. "There has been a shooting at Fort Hood and all the suspects are not in custody at this time," she told AFP. "I know they have active shooters out there."
MSNBC reported there were at least two shooters, with one in custody, adding there was speculation that there may be a third gunman.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said. A third shooter may be involved, according to NBC News affiliate KCEN in Waco...

http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=36896
There are two confirmed suspect shooters, one in custody and another surrounded by swat in a building on post.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2009/11/05/army_7_dead_in_dual_attacks_at.html
Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks ... says two shooters were apparently involved.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2009/11/05/ap_update_one_shooter_in_custo.html
Fort Hood spokeswoman Sgt. Rebekah Lampan says authorities believe at least two gunmen were involved in the attack on Thursday.

http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001
Milly Land, who works at the base fitness center, said she was headed for the graduation ceremony at 2 p.m. at the Howze Theater when the campus was locked down. She went back to the fitness center. She said she spoke by phone with friends at the soldier processing center, who said a gunman walked in about 1:30, walked to the medical area of the processing center, and started shooting. A second gunman was shooting at the theater next door, she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
All three of the people believed to have carried out the shooting were soldiers, Lt. General Bob Cone told reporters Thursday evening.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=143149.40
no.162
--rick perry (gov and bilderberg member) said there were 3 shooters

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/091105/world/us_shooting_crime_military
Base spokesman Sergeant Major Jamie Poston
"At this point we're looking for the other shooter.... " he added.
"We are on the lookout for the second shooter," Poston said.

ATS
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread516987/pg1
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--''They are reporting a third shooter now.''
[That source was Ms. Shine from the Public Affairs office of Killeen, TX]
--''3rd shooter now being reported as having been shooting "moments ago".''
--''Shepard Smith was talking with someone who confirmed a 3rd shooter.''
--pg19[dwiggen] ''My buddy at Hood just told me that there's a FOURTH SHOOTER! ....There is a confirmed FOURTH SHOOTER who is still at large. They just launched aircraft to search for him. My buddy.. is an Apache mechanic, and they just got word to spin their birds up and go lookin for this guy.''

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6510855/Seven-dead-in-shooting-at-Fort-Hood-military-base-in-Texas.html
One gunman was caught quickly but the second went on the run and was cornered by SWAT teams

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/not_just_a_lone_gunman/
KCEN-TV in Waco is reporting that one gunman is in custody, the other is involved in a standoff with police. The station is reporting that there is a third shooter.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78425.html
Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Can I get a witness Reply with quote

Just so that we all understand Hasan acted alone, there is a new veil which had dropped in the striptease: He climbed up on a table when he shouted "Allahu Akbar" and started firing away. No, he did not slink around a doorway, he just got right up there and let fly.

That means - he was by himself. So now we know. Must have been a sturdy table. Mustn't have been being used for anything else. Must have just been sitting there waiting for him to very athletically mount it and do his thing.

I do think it is interesting that military people were not thought brave enough to overcome, but civilian police, like the passengers on Flight 93, were ready to charge right in. As someone has asked - Where were the MP's? Does the US Army have them anymore or are their jobs outsourced?

Another thing we are learning for "Golam Ahktar" or some such name, a person who saw him at some mosque a lot of times, is that Hasan believed 9/11 was partly done by the US as an inside job. Which is a dangerous thing to say, you know. It could help to build an insanity defense. Just imagine a person going around angry like that, at Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush. He could have hurt somebody when he was in Washington.

Heard an interview yesterday with soldiers in Afghanistan (on the ambiguous National Public Radio) - they noted that in their patrols they are constantly coming upon wrecked Soviet vehicles like their own, unsuited to the terrain. Those who spoke to the interviewer said they wanted out of the hellhole, and would leave in an instant if they could. I'm sure that is how the other 80,000 troops would feel if they showed up. It wouldn't take long for the glow to come off the experience.

Hasan will give the public a new sense of threat, and in that sense he is useful (pace Rumsfeld). But most people will have a paradoxical reaction. They'll understand on some level that whether or not he really did it, he could have, and his wigging out was understandable under the circumstances. Maybe in the end, we will think less like Brits (who if they staged this must have called it "Operation Guy") and more like the weary nations who have seen empires come and go. We are going to be more Latin in the uS - Mexican and Italian and Catholic, rather than Nordic and Protestant - as time goes by. And our taste for long occupations is going to wane. Our demographics may save us in the end, which is what is so quirky about America.
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