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bri
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| Fintan wrote: |
But you can expect Iranian State TV to be trumpeting this tomorrow.
And you can definitely expect Infowars to be beating the drum too.
It's sickening how the NWO are really doing their level best
(along with their Fake Media Assets) to f*k this whole thing up.
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Well I''ll be...
Former US National Security Adviser: US Has Intelligence Agents Working In Iran
CIA was planning “soft color revolution” in Iran six months ago
http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-us-national-security-adviser-us-has-intelligence-agents-working-in-iran.html
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Fuck you, Jones, et al.
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axomoxa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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the biggest joke is that this is ajax all over again...obviously people who believe that dont have any idea how ajax took place.
it did not involve millions upon millions of people protesting and not every fraction of the people utterly sick of the current "leaders". it also did not involve the youth that is 70% of the populace that are seeking true freedom.
however, it is being taking advantage of by rafsanjani and mousavi.
yet when they reclaim the power by going to pretend publicly that it is for the people's will....they will be forced to play out the game by offering
many reforms and concessions at the least.
In this opening there is still a possibility of a somewhat true leader emergin ...even mousavi, which i dont believe, has come out to say:
" i want to be a gandhi not a che. i have a better understanding of our peoples needs now then i did in 79 when i helped topple the shah."
the latest news from Tehran is they are tired and regrouping..some are terrified understandably. but they know its now or never and they know they have made huge strides.
even though most of its leaders are arrested and both reformers under
severe house arrest. they are going to strike eventually, nationwide and they say this is FAR from over. when the message of civil disob. and peacefull protesting out weighs the reactions they will win.
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Fintan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Just out on the Iranian State TV Website
This article looks very like a subtle official
nod in the direction of a compromise....
Or playing for time? We shall see.
| Quote: | Rafsanjani, Mousavi vow support to end unrest'
Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:06:13 GMT
Alaeddin Boroujerdi Head of Iran's Expediency Council, Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani will support efforts to end the post-election tension in the country, an Iranian lawmaker says.
Alaeddin Boroujerdi, Head of Iran's Parliamentary Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy told Fars news agency that the committee's governing board has held a meeting with Rafsanjani and Mir-Hossein Mousavi, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's main rival in the elections on Wednesday.
Boroujerdi termed the parliamentary delegation's talks with Rafsanjani as "constructive".
"The lawmakers asked Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani to help solve the problems and he vowed support and we hope that we would witness practical measures to be taken to end the current situation soon," he added.
Boroujerdi also noted that the lawmakers have discussed the post-election developments with Mousavi.
"During the meeting, the governing board of the committee explained their expectations from Mr. Mousavi and he voiced his interest to help in solving the issues."
Boroujerdi stated that the talks between Mousavi and Iranian lawmakers will continue.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=98986§ionid=351020101 |
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axomoxa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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right, state run, press tv is full of shit...theyre trying to patch it up before it falls all to hell again...as it will...just like how khameni in his speech said that he and rafsanjani are good ole freinds from the revolution.
now i wouldnt be surprized thru torture they have forced their aides and compaign help to say things like this. these people learned first hand from the russians, that quick trip, on how to suppress. truth will prevail...i pray.
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Fintan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yes caution is indicated. This also:
| Quote: | Reliable sources in Iran are suggesting that a possible compromise to put an end to the violent uprising that has rocked Iran for the past two weeks may be in the works.
I have previously reported that the second most powerful man in Iran, Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani, the head of the Assembly of Experts (the body with the power to choose and dismiss the Supreme Leader) is in the city of Qom--the country's religious center--trying to rally enough votes from his fellow Assembly members to remove the current Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei from power. News out of Iran suggests that he may be succeeding.
At the very least, it seems he may have gained enough support from the clerical establishment to force a compromise from Khamenei, one that would entail a run-off election between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his main reformist rival Mir Hossein Mousavi.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-25/a-deal-to-save-iran/ |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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BBC just posted ano interview with Dr. Arash Hejazi, who tried to save Neda's life after she was shot in Tehran and had to quietly flee to the UK.
Dr Hejazi tells how passers-by seized an armed Basij militia volunteer who appeared to admit shooting Ms Soltan.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Its interesting that article mentions Daniel Ortega. According to "ex"(?) CIA Man Dois Gene "Chip" Tatum (still on the fence with this one lol), Ortega was ordered long ago to "host free elections" and his best friend/cousin was murdered because Ortega at first refused. I find this really fascinatiing considering current circumstances and how the NWO has spent many years building their 'empire' through 'intelligent' means (no pun intended). I wondered what the idea was behind the 'host free elections or else" ordered from the NWO back then.....Fintan (or one of you sharp thinking BFN members lol) you've got to have an analysis on Tatum's testimony someday, I'd love to see what you think after hearing his words. |
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James D
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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This is a curious site I came across via Hacker News - I don't know quite what to make of it. It seems to be full of all types, Basij Trolls and all!
Anonymous Iran
http://iran.whyweprotest.net/
There's lots there - good and bad.
A couple of examples:-
CIA destablisation? -
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http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/2421-slashdot-iran-tries-pacify-protesters-lord-rings-marathon.html
In Tehran, state television's Channel Two is putting on a "Lord of the Rings" marathon, part of a bigger push to keep us busy. Movie mad and immunized from international copyright laws, Iranians are normally treated to one or two Hollywood or European movie nights a week. Now it's two or three films a day. The message is "Don't Worry, Be Happy." Let's watch, forget about what's happened, never mind. Stop dwelling in the past. Look ahead.
Frodo: "I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish that none of this had happened."
Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
On the news, it's more of the same. The state-run media is trying to tell us that life needs to go on, that politics is a nasty business, but now it's over. Except for that first night, the news broadcasts have not shied away from the violence outside. Instead they've found a way to turn it inside out, make it about the protesters and not the curious mathematics of the election. At least nothing is hidden or subtle. When they want to make a point they lay it on, 10 minutes at a time, sometimes close to 15. It's like a friend says -- this is not news, it's interpretation, spin.
They interview regular folk on the street and in the parks. They want viewers to know that all those millions of protesters are, somehow, not regular folk: "Khastekonande." It's getting old. "Kasebam. Barayenke moafaq basham bayad moid e am dashte bashe." I'm a businessman. For my business to succeed, I need for there to be calm. "Ma faghat mikhaim ye nooni darbiarim, dombal e kar e zendegi berim." We just wanna make some bread, take care of our lives and our business. "In ha kay shooloogh mikonand mardoom nistand. Man fekr nemikonam kay mardoom hastand." The ones who are rioting aren't of the people. I don't think that they're part of the people. "Chand rooze ke natoonestam pesar va dokhtaram biaram park bekhatere in shoolooghia." It's been several days that I haven't been able to bring my son and daughter to the park, because of the violence.
Back to "Lord of the Rings." Gandalf the Gray returns to the Fellowship as Gandalf the White. He casts a blinding white light, and his face is hidden behind a halo. "Imam zaman e?!" someone in the room asks. Is it the Mahdi, the last imam and, according to Shia Islam, the savior of mankind?
Who picked this film? I start to suspect that there is a subversive soul manning the controls at Seda va Sima, AKA the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting. It is way too easy to play with the film, to draw comparisons to what is happening in real life. There are the overt Mousavi themes: the unwanted quest and the risking of life in pursuit of an unanticipated destiny. Then there is the sly nod to Ahmadinejad. Iranian films are dubbed (forget the wretched dubbing into English in the U.S.; in Iran dubbing is a craft) and there are plenty of references to "kootoole," little person, the Farsi word used in the movie for hobbit and dwarf. "Kootoole," of course, was, is, the term used in many of the chants out on the street against President Ahmadinejad. He is the "little person." ("And whose side are you on?" Pippin asks the ancient, forest-dwelling giant named Treebeard. Those watching might think the answer is Mousavi, since Treebeard is decked out in green.)
The 9-year-old in the room loudly predicts that the "Lord of the Rings" marathon will put an end to the nightly shouts of "Allah Akbar" from Tehran's rooftops. People will not take to the roofs and windows because these films will keep them occupied. Besides, there is a dubious rumor going around that the basij are marking the doorways of those households that continue to call out "Allah Akbar!" at night, a kind of reverse Passover. Fear, as well as Tolkien, will no doubt play a part.
The 9-year-old goes on to report that the kids on his school "service" (no Blue Bird buses in Tehran, but long Toyota vans instead) have been chanting, "Pas rai e ma koojast?! Pas rai e ma koojast?! Pas rai e ma koojast?!" Then where is our vote?! Then where is our vote?! Then where is our vote?! I ask him what the driver is doing while all this goes on and he tells me that the driver honks along. Honk honk-honk-honk! "Pas rai e ma koojast?!" Honk honk-honk-honk!
Back to the movie. Gandalf's white steed strides into the frame. It is instantly transformed by local viewers into Rostam's mythical horse, Rakhsh. Rostam, the great dragon-slaying champion of Ferdowsi's poetic epic "Shahnameh," which recounts the whole history of Iran.
The 9-year-old is wrong about the rooftops. The sound begins as a low roll from a nearby park then quickly builds upward. "Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!" No way. We rush to the window. It begins at 10 at night and will continue for another 30 minutes ...
On the television screen, Boromir, human of Aragon, falls. He dies an honorable death defending the lives of his compatriots.
"In edame dare." This is to be continued. The phrase has become our hesitant slogan, our phrase of reassurance. "In edame dare." People are not going to let up so easily.
Each time I've lost faith, I've been wrong. Iranians are proving to be a sturdier lot than I have given them credit, much mightier even than the formidable kootooloos that stand in their way. |
Maybe they need some BFN analysis to help them on to the next level?! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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The Beautiful Truth - 25th June, 2009
Green Shoots of an
Islamic Restoration
Guest: Prof. Hamid Dabashi
http://www.hamiddabashi.com/
Iranian-born, internationally renowned cultural critic and award-winning author, Hamid Dabashi is the Hagop Kevorkian Professor of the prestigiou Chair of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.
Author of scores of scholarly essays and books, Professor Dabashi has written extensively on the relationship between Islamic throcracy and democratic politics. Among his best-known books: Authority in Islam; Theology of Discontent; and Iran: A People Interrupted.
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axomoxa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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@james yea I included that site in my first post.
its url is why we protest
it is a microcosm of the chaos that is goin on....yet niteowl and his green breifs have been instrumental in finding confirmed but unreported news from tehran and informing us on the outside....while mass media and most alt media distort and twist and ignore.
i speak daily to my family in Iran to verify as much as i can..who are in favor of a secular republic...no matter how idealic it may sound at the moment..this is their best chance. yet durring the info war, most are left scrambling trying to make some sense of it all...so alot of effort is lost.
So like the end of that story you posted, this will continue...if they know anything is change doesnt happen overnite...it needs real support and awareness by all of us on this end as well.
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James D
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks axomoxa and welcome to the BFN forum.
I look forward to your personal insight on it all.
Things are moving so fast on this thread that it's hard to keep up, so I didn't notice that you had already linked to it.
Anyway, off to listen to the new audio. |
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axomoxa
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks James, it shows you have a good eye since you did pluck it out of the net. twitter is where i found it...a place that is completely chaotic and amazingly informative. sms is their #1 weapon even though it sounds like a joke.
well I'll be damned, CNN gave a few minutes to some real talk...albiet from one of the establishment trained mouths...but at these times morality can surpass agendas...and Hamid does have a great feel on things. althought he reveals much in his works...i dont think he goes too
deep in who really really pulls the strings. im have to listen to some of the other talks to see where he stands, outwardly that is.
repost from Fintan
hamid is dead on here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axjhdFk3PWs
personally, as much as I love Gandhi, i know he was just nother concession made by the ptb to release the pressure of oppression..much like MLK. I believe neither would have accomplished as much in the last century if it wasnt allowed....much like the american revolt and so on...
so if the people remain leaderless, its not a bad thing...the power is in their hands as soon as they choose to sacrifice the superficial and excersie the real. thats why i love the name of this thread...it is very well stated to describe its core...for a true republic in iran would be absolutely crucial in a real productive blow to the western cabal and zionist...as their true ancient history would attest to it.
the persians who are fighting for freedom are sort of using the muslims like they used us in 79, perhaps just maybe poetic justice will be served...that is why they are yelling allaho akbar at nite...for to say iran is 98% muslim is like sayin US is 98% christian.
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James D
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Fintan - at about 16:30 mins Prof. Hamid Dabashi mentions an article by Gideon Levy in Haaretz, I think, about wishing for a similar movement in Israel - any chance of a link? |
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