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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yo ! Everybody ,
Here's some 'Food-for-Thougth'...about GMOs & Future-Politics.
BUT FIRST....... 2 quotes/OR_black-'pearls'-of-'wisdom from :
Samuel P. Huntington_
a political/trilateral-commissionist who wrote : The book called :
'Clash Of Civilizations & Remaking Of World Order' :

black-pearl #1 Quote : "A goverment which lacks authority will have little ability , short of cataclysmic-crisis ,
to impose on its' people the sacrifices which may be necessary....+...ALSO...

"There are also potentially desirable limits to the indefinite extension of political democracy."
[end-of-quote #1]

black-pearl #2 Quote :
Samuel P. Huntington calls : the "crisis of democracy" ....an "excess of democracy".

Now__ HOW is this Related to GMOs & Future-Politics__:

WELL ,

DISINFORMATION : Disinformation is__ false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately.
It is synonymous with and sometimes called Black propaganda.

It may include the distribution of forged documents,
manuscripts, and photographs,
or spreading malicious rumors and fabricated intelligence.


Disinformation should NOT be confused with MISINFORMATION, information that is unintentionally false.

SO , there's alot of Misinformation [i.e. unintentionally false info] on web about GMOs & other things....

Yet , Disinfo is not so easy...& not Only is It psyOps-to DECEIVE but ALSO to make us feel Overwhelmed & powerless....

THUS , now the "Dawn Of CyberSpace Politics"..[i.e. Future-Politics]

Example :
USA_&_H.R.875 , "The Food Safety Modernization Act 2009"...
which is 'doubleSpeak for : H.R. 875_'Controlling USA Food Supply' Act 2009.

USA_H.R. 875 is still in its' 1st stages of being investigated by House committees...Yet , there are Now 'internet-activist' moving to SQUASH-It on Its' committee Floor...& I say : Good.

Check it out : http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Food-farms-seeds-HR875

Now , we have a tool called : "Internet" to help defeat__ PsyOps- DISinfo-Machines...That tell us ::
We Are Powerless & They __So Powerful THAT ::
they can commit Crimes against our humanity in Broad-Daylight & then laugh at Us...

Most online DISinfo websites keep us debating about So-Called -Conspiracies...yet...NEVER-mention possibilities of :
'Future_CyberSpace-Politics...Such DISinfo-websites could-be telegraphing__ A_ tell , tell-sign of their DISinfo-PsyOps]...especially_if they have us feeling powerless In/& Out.

What really makes me Laugh_at these 'Zeus'-people is :
How they can't stop the Viral- dynamics of internet-activism Laughing

CASE In Point #1 : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/09/hr-875-myth-sows-terror-a_n_185230.html

CASE In Point #2 : http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/agriculture/news.php?q=1238355571

Here's a short video to assist decision-making :









What I luv about These 'FUTURE-POLITICS' Is :

NO-Left & NO-Right...No party, party-politics__IT's simply About The ISSUES !

Now BEHOLD The POWER Of CyberSpace_FUTURE-POLITICS

Warning :: Ignore the videos' negative-scenarios_
the POINT to be made is POWER Of FUTURE-POLITICS__ Cool








Oh ! What a Beautiful Frankenstein ...
Those_ 'Zeus'-people have created for You...& created for me.... Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew...... Confused
We've been spending the last 7 days in practical opposition to GMO.
There was a welcome weather window which we had to use 24/7.

Enough time to build a few 10 foot by 4 foot raised-earth beds.
Kathy had a lot of seedlings green-thumbed for transfer to beds,
and now we've got a great range of vegetables planted for Fall.

Up your's, NWO.

Maybe everybody can't plant a big veg garden, but I bet there's
a local scheme where you pay a fixed annual or weekly amount
and get a weekly share in a local non-GMO basket of vegetables.

If the NWO is rigging a market.... just...

...take the market away from the NWO. finger1

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Phew...... Confused
We've been spending the last 7 days in practical opposition to GMO.
There was a welcome weather window which we had to use 24/7.

Enough time to build a few 10 foot by 4 foot raised-earth beds.
Kathy had a lot of seedlings green-thumbed for transfer to beds,
and now we've got a great range of vegetables planted for Fall.

Up your's, NWO.

Maybe everybody can't plant a big veg garden, but I bet there's
a local scheme where you pay a fixed annual or weekly amount
and get a weekly share in a local non-GMO basket of vegetables.

If the NWO is rigging a market.... just...

...take the market away from the NWO. finger1


Good for you Fintan and Kathy, that's how we regain our power, just take it back with a little determination and hard work!
We're already eating out of our garden...now we're preparing to get some chickens! Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LelaBear wrote:

Good for you Fintan and Kathy, that's how we regain our power, just take it back with a little determination and hard work!
We're already eating out of our garden...now we're preparing to get some chickens! Smile


Hi LelaBear

Great to hear you are eating your own homegrown food.

As Fintan says we have been working flat out getting the raised beds
constructed and filled with soil and compost. Fintan did all the heavy
work while I sowed the seeds, refined the soil and mix in the compost.

A third raised bed has been built and filled since this photo was taken:





With only being in this house 3 years, we are doing pretty well to have
vegetables this year. The local farmer came to visit and was amazed
to see the work we have done and the lovely vegetables growing. We
even shared some seedlings with him for his garden.

I've considered chickens, but with 3 dogs I'm not sure how that would
go. Perhaps next we will construct a very secure chicken coop Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Phew...... Confused
We've been spending the last 7 days in practical opposition to GMO.
There was a welcome weather window which we had to use 24/7.

Enough time to build a few 10 foot by 4 foot raised-earth beds.
Kathy had a lot of seedlings green-thumbed for transfer to beds,
and now we've got a great range of vegetables planted for Fall.

Up your's, NWO.

Maybe everybody can't plant a big veg garden, but I bet there's
a local scheme where you pay a fixed annual or weekly amount
and get a weekly share in a local non-GMO basket of vegetables.

If the NWO is rigging a market.... just...

...take the market away from the NWO. finger1


That is great, but who did Kathy buy the seeds from???

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Krammer

I purchased some seeds from The Organic Center and got some from a sister
who has grown organically for years and a member of SeedSavers.

Also we have not used farmyard manure - just our own homemade compost.

We are using Neem oil as a pesticide, fungicide and soil nutrient, as well
as plastering ourselves with it to deter midges.

Kathy

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kathy wrote:
Hi Krammer

I purchased some seeds from The Organic Center and got some from a sister
who has grown organically for years and a member of SeedSavers.

Also we have not used farmyard manure - just our own homemade compost.

We are using Neem oil as a pesticide, fungicide and soil nutrient, as well
as plastering ourselves with it to deter midges.

Kathy


OH, didn't realize Neem was good in the garden, too! I'll have to get some! Thanks for the tip, we'll be in touch soon!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:


Maybe everybody can't plant a big veg garden, but I bet there's
a local scheme where you pay a fixed annual or weekly amount
and get a weekly share in a local non-GMO basket of vegetables.


Anyone with even a light green thumb or enough land has been doing that even more often than usual around these parts.
I didn't do as much gardening or farming in the 2008 season. No wonder I've been so uptight!Wink
There's always someone who wants good, real veggies. The local Farmer's Market isn't just filled with Hippies and Seniors Citizens anymore. Hell, I saw a Biker Gang there the other day. Walked right on by the liquor store into the local organic farmers market.Laughing
The farmers are very proud to have a good product at a fair price and hook up regular customers. They stick together.
You don't have to go to the local grocery store or "Health Foods MegaStore" to get good, locally grown organic veggies.
People assume the value has to do with the higher price tag. This is not the case. I'd rather see the farm first hand anyhow. Sometimes the
bigger it is the dirtier it gets...perhaps for the sake of efficiency.
Most of the smaller markets or farms have "I remember you Deals" and
even official membership clubs.

Meat is through the fuckin' roof price wise. Local farmers know that
as well. Half a cow is usually cheaper than buying a bunch ofthose "USDA certified" cuts from the grocery store.
There's something a bit more honest about choosing a healthy cow that's lived a decent life. Rather than getting a piece of one of these poor diseased fuckers out of a hat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shocking, frightning truth that we all suspected ...
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http://www.seedsofdeception.com/utility/showArticle/?objectID=2992
Doctors Warn: Avoid Genetically Modified Food

By Jeffrey M. Smith

On May 19th, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) called on "Physicians to educate their patients, the medical community, and the public to avoid GM (genetically modified) foods when possible and provide educational materials concerning GM foods and health risks."[1] They called for a moratorium on GM foods, long-term independent studies, and labeling. AAEM's position paper stated, "Several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food," including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system. They conclude, "There is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects. There is causation," as defined by recognized scientific criteria. "The strength of association and consistency between GM foods and disease is confirmed in several animal studies."

More and more doctors are already prescribing GM-free diets. Dr. Amy Dean, a Michigan internal medicine specialist, and board member of AAEM says, "I strongly recommend patients eat strictly non-genetically modified foods." Ohio allergist Dr. John Boyles says "I used to test for soy allergies all the time, but now that soy is genetically engineered, it is so dangerous that I tell people never to eat it."

Dr. Jennifer Armstrong, President of AAEM, says, "Physicians are probably seeing the effects in their patients, but need to know how to ask the right questions." World renowned biologist Pushpa M. Bhargava goes one step further. After reviewing more than 600 scientific journals, he concludes that genetically modified organisms (GMOs) are a major contributor to the sharply deteriorating health of Americans.

Pregnant women and babies at great risk

Among the population, biologist David Schubert of the Salk Institute warns that "children are the most likely to be adversely effected by toxins and other dietary problems" related to GM foods. He says without adequate studies, the children become "the experimental animals."[2]

The experience of actual GM-fed experimental animals is scary. When GM soy was fed to female rats, most of their babies died within three weeks—compared to a 10% death rate among the control group fed natural soy.[3] The GM-fed babies were also smaller, and later had problems getting pregnant.[4]

When male rats were fed GM soy, their testicles actually changed color—from the normal pink to dark blue.[5] Mice fed GM soy had altered young sperm.[6] Even the embryos of GM fed parent mice had significant changes in their DNA.[7] Mice fed GM corn in an Austrian government study had fewer babies, which were also smaller than normal.[8]

Reproductive problems also plague livestock. Investigations in the state of Haryana, India revealed that most buffalo that ate GM cottonseed had complications such as premature deliveries, abortions, infertility, and prolapsed uteruses. Many calves died. In the US, about two dozen farmers reported thousands of pigs became sterile after consuming certain GM corn varieties. Some had false pregnancies; others gave birth to bags of water. Cows and bulls also became infertile when fed the same corn.[9]

In the US population, the incidence of low birth weight babies, infertility, and infant mortality are all escalating.

...

Worst finding of all—GMOs remain inside of us

The only published human feeding study revealed what may be the most dangerous problem from GM foods. The gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA of bacteria living inside our intestines and continues to function.[26] This means that long after we stop eating GMOs, we may still have potentially harmful GM proteins produced continuously inside of us. Put more plainly, eating a corn chip produced from Bt corn might transform our intestinal bacteria into living pesticide factories, possibly for the rest of our lives.

When evidence of gene transfer is reported at medical conferences around the US, doctors often respond by citing the huge increase of gastrointestinal problems among their patients over the last decade. GM foods might be colonizing the gut flora of North Americans.

Warnings by government scientists ignored and denied

Scientists at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had warned about all these problems even in the early 1990s. According to documents released from a lawsuit, the scientific consensus at the agency was that GM foods were inherently dangerous, and might create hard-to-detect allergies, poisons, gene transfer to gut bacteria, new diseases, and nutritional problems. They urged their superiors to require rigorous long-term tests.[27] But the White House had ordered the agency to promote biotechnology and the FDA responded by recruiting Michael Taylor, Monsanto's former attorney, to head up the formation of GMO policy. That policy, which is in effect today, denies knowledge of scientists' concerns and declares that no safety studies on GMOs are required. It is up to Monsanto and the other biotech companies to determine if their foods are safe. Mr. Taylor later became Monsanto's vice president.

...

Dangerously few studies, untraceable diseases

AAEM states, "GM foods have not been properly tested" and "pose a serious health risk." Not a single human clinical trial on GMOs has been published. A 2007 review of published scientific literature on the "potential toxic effects/health risks of GM plants" revealed "that experimental data are very scarce." The author concludes his review by asking, "Where is the scientific evidence showing that GM plants/food are toxicologically safe, as assumed by the biotechnology companies?"[28]

Famed Canadian geneticist David Suzuki answers, "The experiments simply haven't been done and we now have become the guinea pigs." He adds, "Anyone that says, 'Oh, we know that this is perfectly safe,' I say is either unbelievably stupid or deliberately lying."[29]

...

International bestselling author and independent filmmaker Jeffrey M. Smith is the Executive Director of the Institute for Responsible Technology and the leading spokesperson on the health dangers of GMOs. His first book, Seeds of Deception is the world's bestselling book on the subject. His second, Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, identifies 65 risks of GMOs and demonstrates how superficial government approvals are not competent to find most of them. He invited the biotech industry to respond in writing with evidence to counter each risk, but correctly predicted that they would refuse, since they don't have the data to show that their products are safe.

[1] http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html
[2] David Schubert, personal communication to H. Penfound, Greenpeace Canada, October 25, 2002.
[3] Irina Ermakova, "Genetically modified soy leads to the decrease of weight and high mortality of rat pups of the first generation. Preliminary studies," Ecosinform 1 (2006): 4–9.
[4] Irina Ermakova, "Experimental Evidence of GMO Hazards," Presentation at Scientists for a GM Free Europe, EU Parliament, Brussels, June 12, 2007
[5] Irina Ermakova, "Experimental Evidence of GMO Hazards," Presentation at Scientists for a GM Free Europe, EU Parliament, Brussels, June 12, 2007
[6] L. Vecchio et al, "Ultrastructural Analysis of Testes from Mice Fed on Genetically Modified Soybean," European Journal of Histochemistry 48, no. 4 (Oct–Dec 2004):449–454.
[7] Oliveri et al., "Temporary Depression of Transcription in Mouse Pre-implantion Embryos from Mice Fed on Genetically Modified Soybean," 48th Symposium of the Society for Histochemistry, Lake Maggiore (Italy), September 7–10, 2006.
[8] Alberta Velimirov and Claudia Binter, "Biological effects of transgenic maize NK603xMON810 fed in long term reproduction studies in mice," Forschungsberichte der Sektion IV, Band 3/2008
[9] Jerry Rosman, personal communication, 2006
[10] See for example, A. Dutton, H. Klein, J. Romeis, and F. Bigler, "Uptake of Bt-toxin by herbivores feeding on transgenic maize and consequences for the predator Chrysoperia carnea," Ecological Entomology 27 (2002): 441–7; and J. Romeis, A. Dutton, and F. Bigler, "Bacillus thuringiensis toxin (Cry1Ab) has no direct effect on larvae of the green lacewing Chrysoperla carnea (Stephens) (Neuroptera: Chrysopidae)," Journal of Insect Physiology 50, no. 2–3 (2004): 175–183.
[11] Washington State Department of Health, "Report of health surveillance activities: Asian gypsy moth control program," (Olympia, WA: Washington State Dept. of Health, 1993).
[12] M. Green, et al., "Public health implications of the microbial pesticide Bacillus thuringiensis: An epidemiological study, Oregon, 1985-86," Amer. J. Public Health 80, no. 7(1990): 848–852.
[13] Ashish Gupta et. al., "Impact of Bt Cotton on Farmers' Health (in Barwani and Dhar District of Madhya Pradesh)," Investigation Report, Oct–Dec 2005.
[14] Sunday India, October, 26, 2008
[15] October 24, 2005 correspondence between Arpad Pusztai and Brian John
[16] John M. Burns, "13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food Consumption Determination with PMI Certified Rodent Diet #5002," December 17, 2002 http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/content/sci_tech/prod_safety/fullratstudy.pdf
[17] Alberto Finamore, et al, "Intestinal and Peripheral Immune Response to MON810 Maize Ingestion in Weaning and Old Mice," J. Agric. Food Chem., 2008, 56 (23), pp 11533–11539, November 14, 2008
[18] See L Zolla, et al, "Proteomics as a complementary tool for identifying unintended side effects occurring in transgenic maize seeds as a result of genetic modifications," J Proteome Res. 2008 May;7(5):1850-61; Hye-Yung Yum, Soo-Young Lee, Kyung-Eun Lee, Myung-Hyun Sohn, Kyu-Earn Kim, "Genetically Modified and Wild Soybeans: An immunologic comparison," Allergy and Asthma Proceedings 26, no. 3 (May–June 2005): 210-216(7); and Gendel, "The use of amino acid sequence alignments to assess potential allergenicity of proteins used in genetically modified foods," Advances in Food and Nutrition Research 42 (1998), 45–62.
[19] A. Pusztai and S. Bardocz, "GMO in animal nutrition: potential benefits and risks," Chapter 17, Biology of Nutrition in Growing Animals, R. Mosenthin, J. Zentek and T. Zebrowska (Eds.) Elsevier, October 2005
[20] Hye-Yung Yum, Soo-Young Lee, Kyung-Eun Lee, Myung-Hyun Sohn, Kyu-Earn Kim, "Genetically Modified and Wild Soybeans: An immunologic comparison," Allergy and Asthma Proceedings 26, no. 3 (May–June 2005): 210-216(7).
[21] "Mortality in Sheep Flocks after Grazing on Bt Cotton Fields—Warangal District, Andhra Pradesh" Report of the Preliminary Assessment, April 2006, http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp
[22] Personal communication and visit, January 2009.
[23] Jeffrey M. Smith, Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, Yes! Books, Fairfield, IA USA 2007
[24] Arpad Pusztai, "Can Science Give Us the Tools for Recognizing Possible Health Risks for GM Food?" Nutrition and Health 16 (2002): 73–84.
[25] Stéphane Foucart, "Controversy Surrounds a GMO," Le Monde, 14 December 2004; referencing, John M. Burns, "13-Week Dietary Subchronic Comparison Study with MON 863 Corn in Rats Preceded by a 1-Week Baseline Food Consumption Determination with PMI Certified Rodent Diet #5002," December 17, 2002 http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/content/sci_tech/prod_safety/fullratstudy.pdf
[26] Netherwood et al, "Assessing the survival of transgenic plant DNA in the human gastrointestinal tract," Nature Biotechnology 22 (2004): 2.
[27] See memos at www.biointegrity.org
[28] José Domingo, "Toxicity Studies of Genetically Modified Plants : A Review of the Published Literature," Critical reviews in food science and nutrition, 2007, vol. 47, no8, pp. 721-733
[29] Angela Hall, "Suzuki warns against hastily accepting GMOs", The Leader-Post (Canada), 26 April 2005.
[30] Kathryn Anne Paez, et al, "Rising Out-Of-Pocket Spending For Chronic Conditions: A Ten-Year Trend," Health Affairs, 28, no. 1 (2009): 15-25

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good summary
of a nasty situation.

Quote:
But the White House had ordered the agency to promote biotechnology
and the FDA responded by recruiting Michael Taylor, Monsanto's former
attorney, to head up the formation of GMO policy.

Michael Taylor, mentioned in the article above,
is also featured in another Jeffrey Smith article:

Quote:
Obama's team includes dangerous biotech "Yes Men"
November 2008
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Newsletter/Nov2008-Obamasbiotechyesmen/index.cfm
Taylor was formerly the outside attorney for the biotech giant Monsanto, and later became their vice president. He had also been the counsel for the International Food Biotechnology Council (IFBC), for whom he drafted a model of government policy designed to rush GMOs onto the market with no significant regulations. The final FDA policy that he oversaw, which did not require any safety tests or labeling, closely resembled the model he had drafted for the IFBC.

Michael Taylor is on the Obama transition team.

That article goes on to state
a very dubious conclusion:

Quote:
There is, however, one unambiguous and clear promise that
separates Obama from his Bush and Clinton predecessors.

President Obama will require mandatory labeling of GMOs.

Favored by 9 out of 10 Americans, labeling is long overdue
and is certainly cause for celebration. (I am told that now
Michael Taylor also favors both mandatory labeling and testing
of GMOs. Good going Michael; but your timing is a bit off.)

To sign a petition asking President Obama to make his GMO
labeling plan
comprehensive and meaningful, click here.

The problems with that claim:
There is NO EVIDENCE Obama has a GMO labeling plan.
NO EVIDENCE Obama will require mandatory GMO labeling.

A rebuttal by Karl Haro von Mogel shows that Jeffrey Smith has formed
into 'plan' and 'promise' --a mere news report of a vague mention by
Obama of GMO labeling. Mogel raised these issues with Jeffrey Smith and
his organization, but they still hold on to their claim despite the lack of a
single actual definitive written or spoken Obama campaign statement:

Quote:
Obama will (probably) not label GE foods
By Karl Haro von Mogel • January 30, 2009
http://www.biofortified.org/2009/01/obama-will-probably-not-label-ge-foods/

Jeffrey Smith's error may be over-enthusiasm to try lock Obama to a
vague promise, but in fact, Mogel's rebuttal article concludes:

Quote:
If anything, President Barack Obama appears to be warmly in favor of genetic engineering, although there is some wiggle room with his campaign statements.
President Obama’s picks for Ag Secretary, campaign advisers, and other cabinet positions further suggest that he is positively disposed to GE crops.

So there won't be any Obama cavalry riding over the hill.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the red pill or the blue pill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOAaciER6o

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="James D"]The shocking, frightning truth that we all suspected ...
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Doctors Warn: Avoid Genetically Modified Food
<snip>


Interesting article James D, thanks for that.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8982765/NONGMO-Shopping-Guide can help avoid the stuff. If one eats processed food in North America, they are likely consuming GMO polluted food.

Sad state of affairs.

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