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duane



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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

forget pig flu
the real threat is pigweed
(do we see a common thread here, ie, agri-business?)

http://www.france24.com/en/20090418-superweed-explosion-threatens-monsanto-heartlands-genetically-modified-US-crops

‘Superweed’ explosion threatens Monsanto heartlands

Sunday 19 April 2009
“Superweeds” are plaguing high-tech Monsanto crops in southern US states, driving farmers to use more herbicides, return to conventional crops or even abandon their farms.

The gospel of high-tech genetically modified (GM) crops is not sounding quite so sweet in the land of the converted. A new pest, the evil pigweed, is hitting headlines and chomping its way across Sun Belt states, threatening to transform cotton and soybean plots into weed battlefields.


In late 2004, “superweeds” that resisted Monsanto’s iconic “Roundup” herbicide, popped up in GM crops in the county of Macon, Georgia. Monsanto, the US multinational biotech corporation, is the world’s leading producer of Roundup, as well as genetically engineered seeds. Company figures show that nine out of 10 US farmers produce Roundup Ready seeds for their soybean crops.


Superweeds have since alarmingly appeared in other parts of Georgia, as well as South Carolina, North Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri, according to media reports. Roundup contains the active ingredient glyphosate, which is the most used herbicide in the USA.



How has this happened? Farmers over-relied on Monsanto’s revolutionary and controversial combination of a single “round up” herbicide and a high-tech seed with a built-in resistance to glyphosate, scientists say.


Today, 100,000 acres in Georgia are severely infested with pigweed and 29 counties have now confirmed resistance to glyphosate, according to weed specialist Stanley Culpepper from the University of Georgia.


“Farmers are taking this threat very seriously. It took us two years to make them understand how serious it was. But once they understood, they started taking a very aggressive approach to the weed,” Culpepper told FRANCE 24.


“Just to illustrate how aggressive we are, last year we hand-weeded 45% of our severely infested fields,” said Culpepper, adding that the fight involved “spending a lot of money.”


In 2007, 10,000 acres of land were abandoned in Macon country
, the epicentre of the superweed explosion, North Carolina State University’s Alan York told local media.

The perfect weed


Had Monsanto wanted to design a deadlier weed, they probably could not have done better. Resistant pigweed is the most feared superweed, alongside horseweed, ragweed and waterhemp.


“Palmer pigweed is the one pest you don’t want, it is so dominating,” says Culpepper. Pigweed can produce 10,000 seeds at a time, is drought-resistant, and has very diverse genetics. It can grow to three metres high and easily smother young cotton plants.



Today, farmers are struggling to find an effective herbicide they can safely use over cotton plants.


Controversial solutions


In an interview with FRANCE 24, Monsanto’s technical development manager, Rick Cole, said he believed superweeds were manageable. “The problem of weeds that have developed a resistance to Roundup crops is real and [Monsanto] doesn’t deny that, however the problem is manageable,” he said.


Cole encourages farmers to alternate crops and use different makes of herbicides.


Indeed, according to Monsanto press releases, company sales representatives are encouraging farmers to mix glyphosate and older herbicides such as 2,4-D, a herbicide which was banned in Sweden, Denmark and Norway over its links to cancer, reproductive harm and mental impairment. 2,4-D is also well-known for being a component of Agent Orange, a toxic herbicide which was used in chemical warfare in Vietnam in the 1960s.



FRANCE 24 report: French scientist Eric Seralini says research shows Roundup herbicide is highly toxic to human beings.



Questioned on the environmental impact and toxicity of such mixtures, Monsanto’s public affairs director, Janice Person, said that “they didn’t recommend any mixtures that were not approved by the EPA,” she said, referring to the US federal Environmental Protection Agency.


According to the UK-based Soil Association, which campaigns for and certifies organic food, Monsanto was well aware of the risk of superweeds as early as 2001 and took out a patent on mixtures of glyphosate and herbicide targeting glyphosate-resistant weeds.


“The patent will enable the company to profit from a problem that its products had created in the first place,” says a 2002 Soil Association report.



Returning to conventional crops


In the face of the weed explosion in cotton and soybean crops, some farmers are even considering moving back to non-GM seeds. “It’s good for us to go back, people have overdone the Roundup seeds,” Alan Rowland, a soybean seed producer based in Dudley, Missouri, told FRANCE 24. He used to sell 80% Monsanto “Roundup Ready” soybeans and now has gone back to traditional crops, in a market overwhelmingly dominated by Monsanto.


According to a number of agricultural specialists, farmers are considering moving back to conventional crops. But it’s all down to economics, they say. GM crops are becoming expensive, growers say.


While farmers and specialists are reluctant to blame Monsanto, Rowland says he’s started to “see people rebelling against the higher costs.”

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently my mate's got Swine Flu but, I think he's just telling porkies.

Did you know, the only known cure for Swine Flu has been found to be the liberal application of oinkment.

George Orwell's publishing company has re-released 'Animal Farm'; it's now called 'Angry Pig Pharma'.

I was teaching some rather erudite swine English literature the other day. I asked the class:

"So, piglets, what has been your most rewarding Shakespearean play?"

To which they replied, in unison, "Hamlet."

"And your favourite opera?"

"Pigmalion."


Mother pig: "What did you learn in school today?"
First piglet: "Oink! Oink!"
Second piglet: "Oink! Oink!"
Third piglet: "Woof! Woof!"
Mother pig: "What?"
Third piglet: "I'm taking a foreign language."


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you make of this, champs 'n chumps?





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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GUEST: DR. MICHAEL GREGER, M.D.
DIRECTOR, PUBLIC HEALTH & ANIMAL AGRICULTURE - HUMANE SOCIETY OF USA

http://www.hsus.org

The Beautiful Truth - 2nd May, 2009

Swine Flu Goes Human to Human

LISTEN:
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Swine flu: two human-to-human transmissions confirmed in UK
1:07PM BST 02 May 2009

Two cases of human to human transmission of swine flu within Britain
have been confirmed, including Graeme Pacitti, a close contact of
couple Iain and Dawn Askham.


As well as Mr Pacitti, another case passed on from one person in Britain
to another has been confirmed in the South West of England. Previously
all cases here had been in people who had been to Mexico recently.....

He has been receiving antiviral drugs since falling ill and his condition is
not serious. His family are being kept with him in isolation at their Falkirk
home but have not displayed any symptoms.....

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Germany reports first human to human transfer of Swine flu
Munich, May 01, 2009

The new type of swine flu has jumped from one human to another in
Germany for the first time with a nurse in Bavaria apparently catching
the virus from a patient who had been in Mexico, officials said on Friday.

The case brings the confirmed tally of the H1N1 infections in Germany to
five, with a national health official, Joerg Hacker of the Robert Koch
Institute, describing the cases as "generally mild".

An inquiry has begun into how the 42-year-old woman picked up the
illness from a male patient in a hospital at Mallersdorf, 100 km northeast
of Munich, despite quarantine precautions. The nurse is already
recovering, the National Reference Centre for Influenza in Berlin said.

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CDC Confirms Ties to Virus First Discovered in U.S. Pig Factories
Crowded conditions on factory farms breeding grounds for new viruses.

May 1, 2009
By Michael Greger, M.D.
http://www.hsus.org/farm/news/ournews/swine_flu_virus_origin_1998_042909.html

Dr. Michael Greger is director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture
in the US Humane Society farm animal welfare division.

A physician specializing in clinical nutrition, Greger focuses his work on
the human health implications of intensive animal agriculture, including
the routine use of non-therapeutic antibiotics and growth hormones in
animals raised for food, and the public health threats of industrial factory
farms. He also works on food safety issues, such as bovine spongiform
encephalopathy (mad cow disease), and plays a role in The HSUS's
efforts to analyze and shape public policy concerning agriculture and
nutrition.

Greger has been an invited lecturer at universities, medical schools and
conferences worldwide. He is the author of "Heart Failure: Diary of a
Third-Year Medical Student" (2000), "Carbophobia: The Scary Truth About
America's Low-Carb Craze" (2005), and "Bird Flu: A Virus of Our Own
Hatching" (2006).

Greger is a graduate of the Cornell University School of Agriculture and
the Tufts University School of Medicine.

http://www.hsus.org/about_us/board_and_staff/experts/experts/michael_greger.html

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Influenza
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another great, informative audio - you're on a roll, Fintan! Wink

And thanks to the good Dr., too.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you could explain why virologists are implying this has come out of nowhere? also isn't is true that such strains are monitored for years and then they become potentially problematic, such a strain does not take place overnight.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continuity

I am, have never been, and will never be, a doctor. A joker, yeah; a doctor, nope.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing
If you think you have 'swine flu', dont bother ringing the hotline, because all you get is a lot of 'crackling'.
Instead ring a 'hambulance'!
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Virtuoso:
Perhaps you could explain why virologists are implying this has come out
of nowhere? also isn't is true that such strains are monitored for years
and then they become potentially problematic, such a strain does not
take place overnight.

Well, flu strains that have a successful genome become the norm and
optimize for the type of aminal they are targetting - remaining stable.

But then immune resistance in the target slows them down and in
response they tend to begin to mutate again and a new strain that
has no resistance impediment emerges.

What we are seeing now is intensive farming where human workers
are in proximity to huge numbers of confined aminals in essentially
poor health. That's when a human-animal mix can emerge. Mostly
these have a genome too specific to either humans or animals to
establish themselves in another animal (like us).

But eventually a mix strain with just enough Ooomph to get itself
off the ground will take animal strain to humans or vice versa
(such as happened when human flu strains hopped to pigs in 1918).

It's a question of numbers. The more - the merrier.
And suddenly you get "overnight" emergence of a new combo strain.

It's like playing the million dollar slot in Las Vegas.
Mostly nothing happens. But with enough players
eventually -Whammo - somebody wins a Million.

Which is where we are at now.

Once established in the new host population (animal or human),
the strain then combines with the best of existing strains and
if we're unlucky it gets serious infectivity and/or virulence.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Cool Cool
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not forget the seminal 'Hamburger Pill'.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well either 2 things are happening in that case, either this has been blown out of all proportion, or this represents magnificent luck for the new world order. Just think about it's timing, unemployment is rocketing, pressure was being brought to try Bush and the others, with the full spotlight of the media on it, the banks were have been and are raping us blind, no transparency no oversight, a refusal from Bernanke to say where the money has gone, a revolution in the midst in Mexico and where should this hit, Mexico!.

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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

virtuoso wrote:
Perhaps you could explain why virologists are implying this has come out of nowhere? also isn't is true that such strains are monitored for years and then they become potentially problematic, such a strain does not take place overnight.


You're right, this virus hasn't just come out of nowhere nor has it simply appeared over night. This virus (A-H1N1) was in all probability created in a lab. Why do I say that? Because its genome is a recombination of segments lifted from four different genomes —endemic Bird Influenza, endemic North American human influenza, endemic North American swine influenza and endemic American swine influenza. This means that the original virus must have forcibly infected someone already infected simultaneously with avian influenza, endemic North American human influenza, endemic North American swine influenza and endemic American swine influenza. Now ask yourself, how logical or likely is that? The answer is, it is not logical or likely at all.

The disease first infected a small population in Perote, Veracruz, carried by flies from a nearby Canadian pig farm. The Mexican government never made any serious deep sanitary inspections of the Perote pig farms. The infection started on 18 March and was spreading among the population by April 2. The first victim, a woman, died in Oaxaca (a female museum curator was the first person to die in Mexico City). 60% of the population of Perote had contracted the disease by March 22; however, the Mexican government remained silent. By the time the problem got so big they could no longer hide it, there were 700 reported infections in Mexico City alone.

Why are people dying in Mexico? Because the Mexican authorities did exactly what the WHO decreed. The WHO informed the Mexican health authorities that vaccines would not work, and so the Mexican authorities decided not to implement a program of mass vaccination. The WHO stated that the virus was a new strain, and the Mexican authorities repeated the words of the WHO like a mantra. The WHO recommended that people be given surgical masks, and so the people were given them, but to no avail because the face masks offer no protection against the virus.

Personally, I'm convinced it is a global experiment being conducted under the auspices of an increasingly fascistic UN. The disease is real, but the virus is NOT of natural origin.

1. The epidemic in Mexico did NOT appear during the usual season.

2. Mexican health authorities reported an atypical outbreak of an unknown influenza on April 16 to the WHO and the Pan-American Health Organization (PAHO). However, WHO and PAHO failed to release their alert until April 23; seven days after Mexico informed them. Why did the WHO wait until the number of cases has risen to 900?

3. WHO stated immediately that a vaccine was not available for the disease; but we should consider that it would have been impossible at that time for the WHO to know whether the regular seasonal influenza vaccine would be effective or not.

4. Mexican authorities removed Tamiflu from every pharmacy in the country. Nobody has a single capsule, except them.

5. Mexican authorities have refused to inform its citizens who among them are the most affected; however, we know from leaks inside the Health Ministry that the disease is affecting all social classes equally, though women are at more risk than men.

6. We know the disease is not new because in 1976 an A-H1N1 virus strand was tested on US soldiers at Fort Dix NJ. One of the infected soldiers died.

7. The disease reappeared again in 1988 when a female farmer died in Wisconsin and about 300 people were infected. The US government remained silent about this episode.

8. The disease has never disappeared because the CDC was still reporting about two cases per year.

I would like to have had more information to pass on. Unfortunately, key articles which were accessible a few days ago have been made to disappear.

Regarding the Swine Influenza tests on US soldiers in 1976, here are some revealing links:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/606759
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/606760
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/342615
http://content.nejm.org/content/vol295/issue13/index.dtl (One of the links inside has been made to disappear).
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no01/05-0965.htm

Although none of the articles states clearly that the Fort Dix incident was a test, the line of logical reasoning drives one to the reality that the virus is a product of the US military's secret germ warfare complex. Disappearing relevant articles gives a strong signal that powerful actors are attempting to cover their asses.

There are quite a few articles on the Fort Dix incident, some of which indicate that a test went out of control and infected civilians. That would explain why the disease is not so dangerous in the US, i.e. many US residents have developed immunological memory because the virus has been circulating among them since 1976. The virus remained latent until it found young people without immunological memory. Let's say the epitopes of the virus have modified to allow it to attack “fresh” victims.

There can be little doubt that the epidemic in Mexico was provoked; its starting out of season was not normal or natural. Moreover, the virus posses genes of Avian Influenza even though Mexico has never had an outbreak of Avian Influenza anywhere on its territory.
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I'll be shot down over Berlin for this, but here goes. Occasionally this dude is bang on the money. Here goes:

http://www.infowars.com/special-weekend-broadcast-alex-jones-swine-flu-hoax/

Make of it what you will.

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