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Raphael



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: AZT = RACEMIC = THALIDOMIDE = BAD SCIENCE = Profits Reply with quote

AZT was a bad drug?
WhY?

(d) Draw the structure of (-)-AZT, the enantiomer of (+)-AZT.
http://www.chemistry.mcmaster.ca/~chem2o6/problems/97ansmt1.html

why are enantiomers important?
These two slide presentations discuss organic chemistry which evolved from alchemy.
http://higheredbcs.wiley.com/legacy/college/solomons/0471417998/ppt/ch05.ppt
http://iweb.tntech.edu/tbanks/3010/SmCh0508.ppt

Funny western science does not really discuss chirality much until Pasteur identified it.
But there is record of a Persian alchemist noting chirality in 700 AD.



And the Archimedean Screw displays chiral structure...hmm
Science is kinda stupid and slow sometimes...
Religion plays a part too.
Between them they represent dumb and dumber.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make here exactly, but I think that AZT was and is given to those supposedly infected with HIV precisely because it will eventually kill them.

Good news is one can get it online, without a prescription!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EddieT wrote:
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make here exactly, but I think that AZT was and is given to those supposedly infected with HIV precisely because it will eventually kill them.

Good news is one can get it online, without a prescription!


Sorry the OP was fuzzy Eddie especially about the role Thalidomide plays.
Thanks for the nudge.
A little chemistry background would help.
Regarding chiral compounds.
Racemic
Enantiomers
That is why I posted those links in the OP.

Racemic means comprised of two compounds...generally one can be quite beneficial and the other causes monstrous effects.

Now read about the history of Thalidomide and how THEY created/profited from misery...and misery loves company, called $.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide



Thus it becomes apparent that the negative effects of thalidomide were known since the 1950s-60s ...
And the fact AZT is a racemic mixture suggests THEY SHOULD HAVE PREDICTED NEGATIVE EFFECTS IS OBVIOUS

IMHO
So who is running the chemical industry today that allows this to happen?
i.e. THEY the Dr. Frankenstein and Dr. Mengeles' running Pharma BLACK Ink...

Interestingly enough the entire idea of racemic and chirality is a very old concept that has been obfuscated through the passage of TIME, the burning of Libraries and natural catastrophes.

The conspiracy being conducted by the modern magician/alchemist is laid out here>>
First the importance of ASYMMETRY in the diverse Universe
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/left-hand-pathuniversal-asymmetryright-hand-path/

Then we take a quantum leap in understanding chiral asymmetry and its role in helping to create the CREATION ... and an understanding of how the COSMETICS industry knows ALL about chiral compounds that have both a GOOD and EVIL side to them....why do THEY feeding the sheeple and seegullibles the EVIL twin?

http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/category/to-bee-or-not-to-bee/
http://kachina2012.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/the-cosmetics-of-the-final-solution/
Those three links show that THEY have known about this 'freak of science' for centuries...however THEY obviously see it as tool to create profits for the false prophets who profit only if THEY can keep re-inventing the wheel of our collective fortunes.
But first their prophets must name a new King....

In the meantime sheeple will continue to graze on AZT...sacrificial lambs that the Temple Priests/Pseudo Scientists are offering on the ALTAR called Evil-ution.
Stay tuned to the unfolding narrative....soon coming to a herd near EWE.

namaste

Raphael

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the wiki entry on Thalidomide:

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The enantiomers can interconvert in vivo[14] – that is, if a human is given pure (R )-thalidomide or (S)-thalidomide, both isomers can be found in the serum – therefore, administering only one enantiomer will not prevent the teratogenic effect in humans.


I think the in vivo interconversions are the key here when it comes to thalidomide specifically. Does AZT do this also? I've browsed around a few articles on it but have yet to find an answer. I guess it would also be relevant to know whether AZT is administered as a racemic mixture or as one of the enantiomers. Either way, it was always my assumption that AZT was harmful because it was doing exactly what it was intended to do, terminate DNA chains.

Very intriguing thoughts on chiral compounds and western science generally and I'm sorry to argue about specifics, I just tend to see the effects of AZT on HIV patients as entirely predictable and intended from the outset.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does all this fit into the big picture? :-

Quote:

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/29/the-doctor-will-sue.html

The Doctor Will Sue You Now: the missing chapter of Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" about the selling of vitamin therapy instead of anti-virals to AIDS patients in South Africa

The Guardian's Dr Ben Goldacre has published a free ebook to accompany his recent book Bad Science, an expose on the junk science that infects policy and health in the UK. The ebook, "The Doctor Will Sue You Now," contains a chapter that Goldacre had to cut from the printed edition, because its subject, a vitamin salesman named Matthias Rath, tied Goldacre up in £500,000 worth of litigation over its contents.
What did Goldacre write about Rath? He told the story of how Rath took out full page adverts promoting vitamin pills as the answer to the Aids epidemic, and deriding antiretroviral medication as a murderous conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry. He ran clinics reflecting these ideas, and an illegal clinical trial, and he brought these ideas to the right place: South Africa was headed by an "HIV-denialist" government - introduced to these ideas by a man who would later become Rath's employee - who shunned medical treatments in a move that Oxford Journals' African Affairs estimates cost over 340,000 lives. Rath is feted by alternative therapy advocates around the world, and used the not-inconsiderable wealth he amassed selling these vitamins to sue Goldacre and The Guardian when they criticized his work.

The Doctor Will Sue You Now is Creative Commons licensed and freely redistributable.



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http://www.badscience.net/2009/04/matthias-rath-steal-this-chapter/
Matthias Rath - steal this chapter

This is the “missing chapter” about vitamin pill salesman Matthias Rath. Sadly I was unable to write about him at the time that book was initially published, as he was suing my ass in the High Court. The chapter is now available in the new paperback edition, and I’ve posted it here for free so that nobody loses out.

....




Matthias Rath is also discussed on this thread :-

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1697&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

So what's the verdict? Or is the jury still out? - (Are we paying them too much?!)
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew - I read that Chapter Confused

When it comes to measured and well-referenced scientific writing this
rant by Dr. Ben Goldacre takes the proverbial biscuit. More than just a
mere diatribe folks, it's a triatribe!

Goldacre is what wee doctors call a moron.
Large doctors would call him that as well.

As a measure of how up-to-speed on medical science this idiot is,
consider his latest article on the aptly-named Bad Science blog he runs:

Quote:
Ben Goldacre
The Guardian
Saturday 2 May 2009

Look I don’t want to freak you out, since Tamiflu is the one thing which
everyone believes will save us from Parmageddon, but I’ve been reading
through the published trial data on the drug, and I’m not sure it’s all that
great
.......

http://www.badscience.net/2009/05/i-dont-really-get-why-people-are-chatting-about-tamiflu-as-if-its-all-that/


Congratulations Dr Ben! You finally figured out what everybody with
half a brain has known ever since Rumsfeld foisted this crap drug on an
unsuspecting world. This is as cutting edge writing as the wrong side of
an axe.

The same applies to his undisguised rant against Dr. Rath.

For example he demeans Rath for getting wealthy selling vitamins
with dubious "pill-marketing techniques." I'm not kidding.

This pharmaceutical whore actually has the gall to criticize someone for
dodgy pill-marketing techniques. That's "rich", coming from an apologist
for an industry which has poisoned the world by among other things:
unashamedly bribing doctors.

Here's more from the rant. Goldacre driveling about AIDS:

Quote:
"In South Africa it kills 300,000 people every year: that’s eight
hundred people every day, or one every two minutes."

http://www.badscience.net/2009/04/matthias-rath-steal-this-chapter/


Really?
SA AIDS kills one every two minutes?
Reality check time:


Quote:
AIDS IN AFRICA
In Search of the Truth

By Rian Malan
Rolling Stone 22 Nov. 2001

.....The figures you see in your newspapers come from Geneva.
The WHO takes pains to label these numbers estimates only, not rock-
solid certainties, but still, these are estimates we all accept as the truth.

But you don't want to hear this, do you? Nor did I. It spoiled the plot, so I
tried to ignore it. Since it was indeed true that the very large numbers
of South Africans were dying, then the nation's coffin makers had to
be laboring hard to keep pace with growing demand.
...

So I called the real-wood firms, three industrialists who manufactured
coffins on an assembly line for the national market. "It's quiet," said
Kurt Lammerding of GNG Pine Products. His competitors concurred -
business was dead, so to speak.....

"It's a fact," said Mr. A. B. Schwegman of B&A Coffins. "If you go on what
you read in the papers, we should be overwhelmed, but there's nothing.
So what's going on? You tell me."....

So, I called a black-owned firm, Mmabatho Coffins, but it had gone
out of business, along with some others I tried calling. This was getting
seriously weird.


The death rate had almost doubled in the past decade, according to a
recent story in South Africa's largest newspaper. "These aren't
projections," said the Sunday Times. "These are the facts.
" And if the
facts were correct, I thought, someone somewhere had to be prospering
in the coffin trade
.

Further inquiries led me to Johannesburg's derelict downtown, where a
giant multistory parking garage has recently been transformed into a vast
warren of carpentry workshops, each housing a black carpenter, set up in
business with government seed money. I wandered around searching for
coffin makers, but there were only two. Eric Borman said business was
good, but he was a master craftsman who made one or two deluxe
caskets a week and seemed to resent the suggestion his customers were
the sort of people who died of AIDS. For that, I'd have to talk to Penny.
Borman pointed, and off I went, deeper and deeper into the maze.
Penny's place was locked up and deserted. Inside, I saw unsold coffins
stacked ceiling-high, and a forlorn CLOSED sign hung on a wire.


At that moment, a forbidden thought entered my brain. This may sound
crazy to you, thousands of miles away, but put yourself in my shoes. You
live in Africa - OK , in the post-colonial twilight of Johannesburg's once-
white suburbs, but still, close enough to the AIDS front line. For years,
experts tell you that the plague is marching down the continent, coming
ever closer. At first nothing happens, but there dawns a day when the HIV
estimates start rising around you, and by 2000 the newspapers are telling
you that one in five adults on your street is walking dead.

This has to be true, because it's coming from experts, so you start
looking for evidence......

But then you find yourself staring into Penny's failed coffin workshop
and you think, Jesus, maybe something is wrong here...

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/rmafrica.htm


Get it? Dr Ben Goldacre doesn't.

His chapter on Rath is not actually writing. Certainly not science.
It's a collection of unconfirmed cliches pretending to be science.

Would that Dr. Rath was a paragon of measured science himself.
Sadly, his onward anti-Pharma rush leaves serious gaps in that area.

And.... ...somewhere in the middle. Between these two protagonists.
Stand mostly malnourished Africans in dire need of hard science.

They may as well sit down.

It's going to be a long wait.

They'd do better to check out the following actual science by Cal Crilly.
He is definitely not as wealthy as Rath, and lacks Goldacre's rather
dubious qualifications.

But he has a brain.
And he can use it.
Refreshing.

Quote:
Audio: 'A Cure for Aids and Cancer'
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=334

HIV is cured by Methylation
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1322

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