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Nemo

Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Now For Something Completely Different |
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Haven’t posted here much since I finished my book, and did a couple of interviews with Fintan. (I'm sure Jerry, at least, missed me): However, as I was on a sabbatical from writing and posting I came across something completely different. It is called Actulism: ‘A New and Non-Spiritual Down-to-Earth Freedom’ as it is described on the authors’ home page: www.actualfreedom.com.au
In a nutshell it is a method (method may not be the right word, in fact most of the concepts are so radical it is difficult at first flush to find the proper words) that frees one from the pre-programmed ‘human condition’.
It was discovered by an Australian guy called Richard, (don’t know his second name yet) who claims to be the first person in history to find a proven way that opens up the possibility of freeing one from the genetically-encoded animal instinctual passions that produce ‘malice and sorrow’, (the Human Condition) to become free (‘happy and harmless’) and to bring 'peace to Earth', or as I would put it: to escape, not only from The Matrix, but transcend the ‘Real World’. (Re: my interview with Fintan, on: The Matrix)
I have just finished reading the second of two books they publish (Richard’s Journal, and: Freedom - Peter’s Journal) and I must admit they fried my brain and sent me of on a completely different direction in my search for understanding - a ‘spiritual’ quest I have been engaged in for a very long time - in fact it sent me in a 180% different direction from the ‘Spiritual World’.
Of course, when I first came across this site I was highly skeptical, but the more I got into it the more convinced I became that here indeed was something radically and new that was worth further investigation. Richard, Vineeto, and Peter present their controversial discoveries in a clear, straight forward manner.
I have not absorbed it all yet so anything I post here should be taken as an initial understanding, and yet I have absorbed enough to have been rewarded with a whole new world to explore, ‘The Actual World’.
Anyway, if nothing else it is an antidote, to the pessimism in our mystical world of politics, religion, and all other ‘outside authorities’ that expound ‘the truth’ and keep us in servitude to the illusion of a 'higher power'.
My initial discovery was that most, if not all, 'spiritualism' (belief in a 'higher power[s]) is delusional. My reaction to this after thirty years on the journey to 'Spiritual Enlightment'? I spent three days, on and of, laughing how I had been suckered into believing in such concepts as Meditation, Masters, Gurus, Inner Self, Higher Self, Overself, Self with fries, Enlightment, Disengagement, and all the rest and how grateful I was to have finally began to awaken from my delusions.
This has been my experiece so-far and I don't necessarily accept, or understand for that matter, all the concepts of Actulism...but. You may experience it differently, I do understand it may be to much 'in your face' (challenging?) for most. However, if you do 'get it', I belive it will renew your life |
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DeepLogos

Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 259 Location: Geostationary orbit around myself, sipping at a cup of DM Tea...
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Hi Nemo!
Very intersting link! I will take a good look at it. The whole spectrum of alternative alternatives (meditation, gurus, self-help, 'the occult alternative', etc) has taken up a great amount of my later years, and only lately have I slowly begun to realize that the "solution" may be beyond these alternatives.
Free from the 'human condition'. Stepping out of the real world and into the actual world. Not only escaping form 'the matrix', but also trancending "reality" itself. Very interesting indeed.
I must say I thoroughy enjoyed you interviews with Fintan (I've listened to them a few times each), and I recently finished reading you book. And what a book, certainly food for thought! Excellently written, and thoroughly researched. Any new projects (books) in the making?
Also, any thoughts on Krishnamurti, as to personal freedom (given that he rejected his "guru" status and Theosophy, the 'mother', so to speak, of many of the alternative movements)?
-DL- _________________ "I'm pulling the plug on you now, Jmmanuel... I hope your resurrection ship is nearby..."
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Nemo

Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Thanks DL, for your kind words about my book. Funny, I don't remember sending any to Mental Antarctica.
| Quote: | | Very intersting link! I will take a good look at it |
It is a huge site, above 500,000 words, I believe.
| Quote: | | Any new projects (books) in the making? |
I was well into another book, called Decoded, (now I think I will call it Beyond the Matrix) but had to review since I came across this recent research, hope to get back to it soon. I still have a lot of research about ancient Ireland, which I will also have to get into. All to do with a Lost City and the Ark of the Covenant. I find it amazing the spin the human brain can put on things, don't you? All good crac.
| Quote: | | Also, any thoughts on Krishnamurti, as to personal freedom (given that he rejected his "guru" status and Theosophy, the 'mother', so to speak, of many of the alternative movements)? |
Yes, he did give up his Guruship? but never gave up his spirituality, his instinctual self, as I understand it. Here is a more complete answer to your question... http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/peter/selected-correspondence/corr-krishnamurti.htm |
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Jerry Fletcher

Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 837 Location: Studio BS
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Nemo wrote: | | Haven’t posted here much since I finished my book, and did a couple of interviews with Fintan. (I'm sure Jerry, at least, missed me): However, as I was on a sabbatical from writing and posting I came across something completely different. It is called Actulism: ‘A New and Non-Spiritual Down-to-Earth Freedom’ as it is described on the authors’ home page: www.actualfreedom.com.au. |
Of course you were missed! Please don't be a stranger!
That Actual Freedom site is extremely thought provoking indeed - and resonant in a common sense way. Thanks for the link.
| Quote: | Why, after thousands of years of belief, trust, faith and hope have the spiritual and religious paths
not yet produced peace on earth – with no end to the litany of wars, torture, domestic
violence, murder, child abuse, failed love-affairs, sorrow and despair?
Why is it that only 0.0001% of spiritual seekers become Enlightened and the rest who fail after years of effort only blame themselves and don’t question the belief-system itself.
Why does the spiritual path not address the failure of man and woman to live together in equity, peace and harmony? Could it be that everyone has got it
180 degrees wrong?
From: Actualism, the Wide and Wondrous Path to Actual Freedom
http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/default.htm |
I've always struggled with the notion of 'spiritual' as 'virtuous', and often saw spiritual 'progress' strengthening the ego of the adept, proud of his spiritual 'skills'. The 'spiritual' life often seemed like a way to keep the ego busy and feel good about it. Sometimes known as 'Self with fries'.
Anyway, I liked this bit:
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Actual Freedom offers a third alternative to either remaining ‘normal’ or transcending the normal by practicing an awareness of an ‘inner’ world to rise ‘above it all’. Actual Freedom is an alternative that offers not only the elimination of the self, that lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning entity, but the elimination of the Self, that superior God-like spiritual entity as well.
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With heightened senses one is able to see and experience the actual world as it is without the grey-coloured glasses of ‘normal reality’ or the rose-coloured glasses of the ‘spiritual’. Then and only then one is able to realize one’s destiny. Then one is able to be the universe experiencing itself as a sensate human being.
From: Actualism, the Wide and Wondrous Path to Actual Freedom
http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/default.htm |
Pretty interesting...thx again.
* TECH TIP FOR MAC USERS...
The downloadable samples from the site are 'Microsoft Reader' files in '.lit' format which aren't readable on MAC.
Here's a link to a freeware app that converts .lit files to html so you can read em in your browser.
http://www.hansr.net/Lit2html.dmg |
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Ozregeneration

Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 463 Location: Big Island Down Under
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings Nemo and Co,
Without having read more than the home page and the quotes Jerry gave it appears similar to what I went through when I did the ESS sessions.
To detour for just a minute. In ESS, one of the sections was to take a look at ALL my beliefs, my truths and lies, and locate where they originated from. When I start to examine them I began to realise they came from my parents, my siblings, my school teachers, my friends, workmates, movies, TV, heroes, politicians (ok, that's where the real lies come in ), neighbours, and on and on. This left me feeling very empty and where I also came to the conclusion that my truths are my lies and my lies are my truths. From this understanding I have began to clear out my 'auto' reponses in order to make choices in the now. I think this is simliar to what they are saying.
Now to get back to the quotes from the actual freedom site specifically
| Jerry Fletcher wrote: |
| Quote: | | Why, after thousands of years of belief, trust, faith and hope have the spiritual and religious paths not yet produced peace on earth – with no end to the litany of wars, torture, domestic violence, murder, child abuse, failed love-affairs, sorrow and despair? |
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Why isn't there peace on earth? Because generally speaking the group consciouness of the earth, thrives on the drama associated with wars, etc and loves to play out these roles. This doesn't mean that within this drama there aren't also people living their lives in a peaceful and harmonious way. But this isn't the focus of the politicians and media, etc because they revel in the drama. Remember there is no judgement involved in all this, this is their choosing.
| Jerry Fletcher wrote: |
| Quote: | | Why is it that only 0.0001% of spiritual seekers become Enlightened and the rest who fail after years of effort only blame themselves and don’t question the belief-system itself. |
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Through choice.
| Jerry Fletcher wrote: |
| Quote: | | Why does the spiritual path not address the failure of man and woman to live together in equity, peace and harmony? Could it be that everyone has got it 180 degrees wrong? |
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As per the first quote above. Also the 'spiritual path' (whatever that means) doesn't need to address anything. Each of us choose to do whatever we wish.
| Jerry Fletcher wrote: | I've always struggled with the notion of 'spiritual' as 'virtuous', and often saw spiritual 'progress' strengthening the ego of the adept, proud of his spiritual 'skills'. The 'spiritual' life often seemed like a way to keep the ego busy and feel good about it. Sometimes known as 'Self with fries'.  |
The 'New Age' for want of a better term has left many disenfranchised from further exploration of their true selves. The airy fairy stuff became too much for me several years ago when I put my own research on hold for a short time. But it was not until I put aside judgement that it started to clarify things for me.
| Jerry Fletcher wrote: |
| Quote: | Actual Freedom offers a third alternative to either remaining ‘normal’ or transcending the normal by practicing an awareness of an ‘inner’ world to rise ‘above it all’. Actual Freedom is an alternative that offers not only the elimination of the self, that lost, lonely, frightened and very, very cunning entity, but the elimination of the Self, that superior God-like spiritual entity as well.
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With heightened senses one is able to see and experience the actual world as it is without the grey-coloured glasses of ‘normal reality’ or the rose-coloured glasses of the ‘spiritual’. Then and only then one is able to realize one’s destiny. Then one is able to be the universe experiencing itself as a sensate human being.
From: Actualism, the Wide and Wondrous Path to Actual Freedom
http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/default.htm |
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Whilst I think I understand what he is saying, and believe it to be similar to my own understandings, I think I would need more info on what his whole philosophy is before I would comment further.
I know you shouldn't really judge it form isolated quotes but this quote from his site has me scratching my head a bit.
| Quote: | Be Totally Rid Of Emotions And Passions
R: There is a school of thought that says it is better to express your feelings rather than suppress them. It is an invidious choice – what about the third alternative? Get rid of all emotions and passions. Eradicate them from one’s life in such a way that they never come back. Never. For the rest of one’s life there will never be any disturbing feelings to upset the apple-cart. They are rubbed out. Finished. Extirpated.
http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/audiotapeddialogues/betotallyridofemotionsandpassions.htm |
If this is how you end up after following his ideas, then I think I'll take a rain check. I mean are we not spiritual beings living a human life? Without emotions and passions, why be here at all? _________________ Choices For Your Soul
http://www.choicesforyoursoul.com/ |
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Fintan Site Admin

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6098
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: Interesting... |
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Here's a step thru sequence which help make more
sense of what they are getting at:
The critiques of spiritual and ethical aproaches are good reading.
But is just dumping these a solution? Without moral and ethical codes,
many people would just trash others and the planet.
Yes, there are some loose terms being thrown around, like often making
clear that it's negative Emotions And Passions they want to get rid
of. And yet at other times seeming to say that all Emotions and Passions are bad.
And it's easy to miss clear statements like:
| Quote: | To make it clear from the start: I am certainly not into the ‘No-Mind’ business at all. What is meant by ‘No-Mind’ is that in the deep, meditative state thought stops and there is a profound silence. This silence is what is referred to with the phrase ‘No-Mind’. Read virtually any book by enlightened people and they will say the same thing: in deep meditation, thought stops and this state is called ‘No-Mind’ or ‘The Void’ or whatever....
...I will do nothing that supports your ego and soul: your sense of identity and self receives absolutely no sustenance whatsoever. Things like thoughts stopping, meditative states, bliss, ecstasy, euphoria ... anything that supports and enhances the identity and the self ...
Q: Which keeps you separate.
R: ... which keeps you separate, which will send you which will send you into ‘Aloneness’, if you are successful – for they all talk about ‘Aloneness’ – and in that ‘Aloneness’ you will feel a ‘Oneness’ with everything. So the identity – and the self, which is the basis of the identity – is still intact. What I do is nothing to support and enhance that identity and self whatsoever: no Love, no Compassion, no Trust, no Surrender, no Master/Disciple relationship ... all that supports it. I can not do it, anyway, for I do not have a Self....
This moment is alive, dynamic, vital and actual. Why would I want to go some-place else in my mind? To somewhere dead ... be it the past, the present or the future?...
...With no ‘thinker’ and no emotions and passions, there is always, here where this moment is happening, an utter stillness – not a vast Silence – which is the essential nature of this universe ... the foundation of all that is apparent. Here is a perfection wherein purity and intimacy are what Beauty and Love can only vaguely imitate. Here is a magnanimity and benevolence that Forgiveness and Compassion come only a poor second-best to. Here, there is no malice and sorrow whatsoever. Here duality has not been transcended ... it has been eliminated....
http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/richard/audiotapeddialogues/nofeelingsnotnomind.htm |
Interesting ideas. At least in part.
I've only skimmed, so far. |
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Ozregeneration

Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 463 Location: Big Island Down Under
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Interesting... |
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| Fintan wrote: | Here's a step thru sequence which help make more
sense of what they are getting at:
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Thanks for the links Fintan, it made for easier reading.
In many ways it does parallel the ESS process that I used to look at my beliefs. But where I differ is that I don't see the neccessity to remove ones self from the picture completely.
| Quote: | | The elimination of one’s ‘self’ needs to be total – both ‘who’ you think you are as a social identity and ‘who’ blind nature has programmed you to instinctively feel you are … in spiritual terms, both the ‘ego’ and the ‘soul’. |
To me this is eliminating ones free choice. Though I'll gladly listen to another interpretation.
In particular by ignoring ones inner knowing you are totally ignoring an aid to ones unfolding reality.
| Quote: | | The critiques of spiritual and ethical aproaches are good reading. |
If not generalised. Just as there are "50 ways to leave your lover" there are as many if not more when describing various spiritual beliefs. I know he didn't cover my beliefs.
| Fintan wrote: | | But is just dumping these a solution? Without moral and ethical codes, many people would just trash others and the planet. |
It's an interesting view that one, which is widely held I'm sure. But I guess we'll never really find out the answer. Short term it may be the case but once people got bored with trashing the joint, maybe they would start contemplating the grander scheme of things and possibly then begin to make different choices.
It seems to me that his presentation of the world revolves around the mind and facts whereas mine revolves around the heart and an inner knowing. I still haven't worked out whether he believes we are in any way spiritual beings, but you should already know my feelings on this score. _________________ Choices For Your Soul
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Nemo

Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 75 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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I came across this today. It may answer a couple of questions that has been posed about this system...
It’s starting to dawn on me how radical a proposition AF is making. I’ve been generally trying to view everything that happens in the context of AF, and how it would all change if these principles were commonplace. We would be without wars.
Yes, the world would be without wars, genocides, murders, suicides, domestic violence, rapes, robberies, police, jails, and locks on our doors. Hunger and poverty would disappear from the news reports as would protests, demonstrations, corruption, pollution, overpopulation and desolation in the face of natural disasters. Ingenuity and technology would make this earth a lush, safe and sustainable paradise for everybody.
There would be no hackers on the Internet, no need for security and anti-virus software and probably most of the sex-sites would also disappear for lack of customers. Richard describes more of this utopia in his journal –
It would be a free association of peoples world-wide; a utopian-like loose-knit affiliation of like-minded individuals. One would be a citizen of the world, not of a sovereign state. Countries, with their artificial borders would vanish along with the need for the military. As nationalism would expire, so too would patriotism with all its heroic evils. No police force would be needed anywhere on earth; no locks on the doors, no bars on the windows. Gaols, judges and juries would become a thing of the dreadful past. People would live together in peace and harmony, happiness and delight. Pollution and its cause – over-population – would be set to rights without effort, as competition would be replaced by cooperation. It would be the stuff of all the pipe-dreams come true. Richard’s Journal, Article 20
We would also be without most competitive sports, ...
Yes, I can certainly think of more fun-things to do than training for the Olympics.
... most of the great art works, ...
Why shouldn’t we have works of art in a world free from instinctual passions? People certainly would have more time at their hand to play when they are not driven by fear, aggression and greed, and one’s favourite pastime could very well be an artistic one. If you take away the social and affective values of beauty and fashion, then playing with the materials of the earth can be very sensuous and pleasing indeed.
... maybe most of the buildings.
Why should buildings disappear? I certainly prefer to live in a modern comfortable building compared to a cave or straw hut. When the affective faculty disappears, people will be free to build what is sensible, comfortable, practical and sensuously pleasing. But there would certainly be no need for police stations, law courts, jails, army bases, martial art dojos and the like, nor would there be need for churches, cathedrals, temples, monasteries, ashrams or the like.
I’m being a bit extreme here perhaps, but most of the progress of human civilization (term is used loosely, ok?) has been driven by that amygdalic reaction. This is a big change.
No, ‘the progress of human civilization’ has been engineered by human inventiveness, ingenuity, intelligence and the inbuilt drive for betterment but has been continuously hampered by fear, righteousness, religious superstition, greed and corruption. It is, in fact, astounding what excellence in technology, safety, leisure and pleasure has been achieved despite ‘that amygdalic reaction’.
http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/actualism/vineeto/selected-correspondence/corr-actualfreedom.htm |
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