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Hombre
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You seem to have a burr under your saddle son. Why is that?
The FBI faked something that Val really took! ah~~~~~~Wouldn't Val realize that when she got her stuff back from the FBI?
You're implying something that would lead to all sorts of things ultimately ending up in either the Grave Yard, or Prison, if you're lucky!
I brought the crash scene up because to me it's of more significance than Val's pic. What, in your eyes, is so bloody important about her pic?
The FBI may very well have faked her pic and then told her " AS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY "  Do you part~~ blah blah blah, be a patriot, oh and by the way we're gonna turn you loose now, " keep your nose clean, ya hear " " Remember the secret "
Come on dude you're smarter than this, are you not?
I'm reluctant about nothing when it comes to 9-11 except pure shit when I see it. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who claims that they heard a plane in rapid decent at a speed of 500 plus MPH go directly overhead, or even near by, is either dumb as hell, or lying. ( JMHO )
She would have heard it " ONLY " after it passed, and at that speed it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that she would have seen it before it crashed.
Ever been to an airshow? An f-14 can come up behind you directly over head at 300 mph @ 1,000 ft and you'll never hear it until it's well beyond you. If it's clipping along at 500 MPH you'll hear a faint whistle but I doubt you'd recognize it as a plane of any kind, BECAUSE most people have never heard such a sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqdbCGzmCfg&feature=related
Mach 1 is a bit unfair but accurate given the circumstance surrounding Val's seemingly keen hearing capabilities during the supposed crash of flight 93! 
Hombre'
PS. KT~ If you're sincerely interested in the truth of 9-11, then I'M WITH YOU. But for some gut feeling reason I'm not getting that vibe form you. Before you blow that off, consider one of my previous post's. I'm professionally trained in the aspect of communication that would give me such a feeling!  |
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Killtown
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: ` |
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| Rumpl4skn wrote: | 1) Au contraire - not that it's "no big deal", but that it seems likely that little tangible results could come of it. Unless you can prove a conspiracy between them and Val. Maybe you can.
2) A faked photo by itself, is not, IMO, a point to turn many heads outside the Truthers.
3) And the ambiguity is a great rallying point for the deniers. I know I essentially started this whole thing, but I think all I did was create a bandwidth-sucking issue that will go nowhere, and has little hope of ending in any real revelations. But I'd love to be wrong, KT.
4) When confronting the shills on this issue, I admit they never had answers for the physical discrepancies. They can argue cloud color, and wind drift (both of which are absurd), but no one can successfully dismiss the outrageous size of the cloud. It doesn't work. Nothing outside of a nuclear blast can become that large in that short of a time, if a plane crash cloud even become that large at all. |
1) Well that's what my latest question is trying to determine.
2) If that photo is found fake, it should be on the front page of EVERY major newspaper across the country: "Flight 93 Photo Proven Fake"
3) The only reason it may seem like a "go nowhere" issue because people dismiss it's potential of what it could reveal.
I have a hard time believing that if it's confirmed a fake with FBI involvement that that's not going to spark an investigation into a cover-up of the attacks, especially with so much momentum with the truth movement.
4) Correct. I haven't seen anybody been able to debunk its size being too big and in the wrong location.
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Killtown
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Hombre wrote: | 1) You seem to have a burr under your saddle son. Why is that?
2) The FBI faked something that Val really took! ah~~~~~~Wouldn't Val realize that when she got her stuff back from the FBI?
3) You're implying something that would lead to all sorts of things ultimately ending up in either the Grave Yard, or Prison, if you're lucky!
4) I brought the crash scene up because to me it's of more significance than Val's pic.
5) What, in your eyes, is so bloody important about her pic?
6) The FBI may very well have faked her pic and then told her " AS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY " Do you part~~ blah blah blah, be a patriot, oh and by the way we're gonna turn you loose now, " keep your nose clean, ya hear " " Remember the secret "
Come on dude you're smarter than this, are you not?
7) PS. KT~ If you're sincerely interested in the truth of 9-11, then I'M WITH YOU. But for some gut feeling reason I'm not getting that vibe form you. Before you blow that off, consider one of my previous post's. I'm professionally trained in the aspect of communication that would give me such a feeling! |
1) I get that way sometimes with I ask simple questions and seem to get long complex irrelevant answers.
2) Who said she wasn't in the know the whole time and went along with it? Plus, if her photo wasn't of something the govt didn't really want to hide, why did they send THREE FBI agents over to her house and confiscate her equipment, possibly leaving her with no trace of her photo?
3) And?
4) So just because you think something is more significant that means others can't investigate something else?
5) It's the ONLY piece of 9/11-related evidence where someone involved in the event verifies that it is fake:
6) Who owes the copyright and get's to make $20 per sale of her photo the rest of her life? Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.
7) That's OK, my gut feeling sometimes is that you're a troll. So why do you think I'm not really interested in solving the 9/11 lie?
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Hombre
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 7) That's OK, my gut feeling sometimes is that you're a troll. So why do you think I'm not really interested in solving the 9/11 lie? |
Okay: I'll play you silly game:
Are you hinting that Val was in on 9-11? Seriously in on it, had prior knowledge, the FBI picked her out of a line-up so to speak. Come the hell on man!
Here's where my apprehension comes from. Guilt by association in other words.
Hombre'
PS. I've yet to be banned form any board in 15 years of wed activity including the days of DOS! |
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Killtown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Hombre wrote: | 1) Okay: I'll play you silly game:
2) Are you hinting that Val was in on 9-11? Seriously in on it, had prior knowledge, the FBI picked her out of a line-up so to speak. Come the hell on man!
3) Here's where my apprehension comes from. Guilt by association in other words.
4) PS. I've yet to be banned form any board in 15 years of wed activity including the days of DOS! |
1) What "silly game"?
2) No, you misunderstood. What I meant is who says the FBI didn't "present an opportunity" to her when they came over? Seriously, when does it take 3 Feds to rush over a person's house of confiscate a legit photo?
3) Not following. Not an Avery fan?
4) And?
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Hombre
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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KT,
You are saying, that in your opinion, the FBI faked Val's photo, gave it back to her with the smoke plume added, and then brokered a deal with her where she could have copyright of the photo in exchange for her silence about the faked photo.
If that is the case, then why did Val tell a friend that her pic didn't have a mushroom cloud in it? I just can't buy an after the fact deal between the FBI and Val, way to big a stretch. What's the FBI gonna do if Val says" thanks but no thanks "
Setting this all up prior to 9-11 would make more sense, safer, but that involves a whole new host of things, one being the Feds holding something over Val and Hubby's head. Oh the stories that could be spun. Is Val Shanksville's 9-11 patsy?
I get your drift: You think Val and the FBI are in bed/were in bed together on this photo because if the photo is actually fake then there could be only two possibly answers as to who faked it.
So Val twists in the wind by claiming it's real while the FBI looks the other way neither in confirmation or denial, as the bloggers/posters discover the conspiracy/cover-up and start stirring the pot.
I hear you Rump, I hear you, remorse indeed!
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Killtown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Hombre wrote: | 1) You are saying, that in your opinion, the FBI faked Val's photo, gave it back to her with the smoke plume added, and then brokered a deal with her where she could have copyright of the photo in exchange for her silence about the faked photo.
2) I get your drift: You think Val and the FBI are in bed/were in bed together on this photo because if the photo is actually fake then there could be only two possibly answers as to who faked it. |
1) I'd go with brokered a deal before the FBI left her house.
2) As I ask in my latest questions, *if* it's fake, who faked it and why?
If you don't think the idea that the FBI faked it and brokered a deal with Val, then who do you think faked it and why?
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Killtown
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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FYI, this if from Domenick DiMaggio (aka "Terrorcell"), who has done the most investigating down in Shanksville than anyone, responding to a poll question I started: "*If* Val's plume photo turns out to be a fake, is it evidence of a 9/11 cover-up?"
| Quote: | yes. it absolutely is.
and i know beyond all shadow of a doubt that it is a fabrication created by [most likely] the fbi.
i know this from talking to eyewitnesses who all describe a black smoke rising into the air and trailing off as one would expect from a violent explosion. none of them described a mushroom cloud and i have spoken with a witness [off the record] who agrees with kelly leverknights assessment that it is faked. furthermore this witness could not believe the whole i dropped my camera and couldn't load the batteries before it was gone because they said the smoke lasted for several minutes.
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=5726&view=findpost&p=15310149
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Hombre
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Killtown,
on your blog, you know the one you run by yourself. You claim that this photo is fake on one hand only to use the words, " IF IT'S FAKE " on the other.
Now you reference a guy who knows beyond all doubt that the image is faked and says " PROBABLY " at the hands of the FBI, yet given your stance, questions, polls, ETC it's obvious to me that you're reluctant to forge ahead and implicate, accuse, or just down right say " THE FBI FAKED VAL'S PHOTO "
I have an idea:
Laurel Highlands Resident Agency
P.O Box 615
Elton, PA.
15934-0615
(814 ) 262-9290
Simply call or write the above and ask them, tell them your thoughts on this photo. I'd be curious as to their thoughts, response!
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Killtown
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Hombre wrote: | 1) Killtown, on your blog, you know the one you run by yourself.
2) You claim that this photo is fake on one hand only to use the words, " IF IT'S FAKE " on the other.
3) Now you reference a guy who knows beyond all doubt that the image is faked and says " PROBABLY " at the hands of the FBI, yet given your stance, questions, polls, ETC it's obvious to me that you're reluctant to forge ahead and implicate, accuse, or just down right say " THE FBI FAKED VAL'S PHOTO "
4) I have an idea:
Laurel Highlands Resident Agency
Simply call or write the above and ask them, tell them your thoughts on this photo. I'd be curious as to their thoughts, response! |
1) You say that like you don't believe I'm the only one behind it. Why?
2) Please copy/paste where I "claim" the photo is fake.
3) I get the feeling you got pretty annoyed by me posting Domenick's thoughts on Val's photo. Why is that?
4) I you wonder why I question if you are a troll, or not.
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Hombre
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Trust me KT,
You're paranoid even if you don't believe it yourself. I'm not annoyed at you or anyone else, even those who believe in magic birds on 9-11!
My only regret is being late to this party. There's so much bullshit that's been slung around in regard to 9-11 it's embarrassing. Worse is that some make a decent living off of it. WTF ever will they do when 9-11 dries up and blows away?
I do not believe Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville in the manner that has been packaged and sold to the public. Now my friend if that makes me a Troll, then by all means tell everyone you know to beware of Hombre' over at BFN.
On the other hand if my mention of your obvious fear in taking the proper steps in resolving that which you suspect with Val and the FBI and the photo has you UPSET, then I can only hope you get over it.
I'm not the enemy despite anything you may think or feel, real or imagined.
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Killtown
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Hombre wrote: | 1) There's so much bullshit that's been slung around in regard to 9-11 it's embarrassing.
2) I do not believe Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville in the manner that has been packaged and sold to the public. Now my friend if that makes me a Troll
3) On the other hand if my mention of your obvious fear in taking the proper steps in resolving that which you suspect with Val and the FBI and the photo has you UPSET, then I can only hope you get over it.
4) I'm not the enemy despite anything you may think or feel, real or imagined. |
1) What part of this Val photo evidence do you not believe?
2) I don't believe 93 crashed either, but Val's photo is really a different matter.
3) If you want to take it to the "proper authorities," then by all mean do so.
4) You sure seem to be spending a lot of time avoiding giving your opinion to my simple questions.
Btw, please go back and answer questions 1 & 2 in my last post.
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