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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Indian Terror.... The Inside Story Reply with quote

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Terror attack on Mumbai kills up to 80 as gunmen storm hotels
November 27, 2008 05:57am
BREAKING NEWS: GUNMEN have killed at least 80 people in Mumbai and troops have moved into one of two five-star hotels where Western hostages are being held.

The attackers reportedly fired indiscriminately and used grenades at some locations.

At least two Australians have been hurt in the attacks and as other tourists flee or hide from the terrorists, the Federal Government has told its citizens to stay where they are.

A group of 20 Australians who were staying at the Oberoi hotel were evacuated but have not been heard from since.

Police said they had shot dead four gunmen and arrested nine suspects.

However, the Chief Minister of Maharashtra state said the situation was not yet contained.

"The situation is still not under control and we are trying to flush out any more terrorists hiding inside the two hotels," said Vilasrao Deshmukh.

Gavin Gunfire and explosions were heard at the landmark Taj Mahal hotel and thick plumes of smoke rose from the building, witnesses said.

There were also explosions at the Oberoi hotel and firing at a hospital where gunmen were surrounded.

"The terrorists are throwing grenades at us from the rooftop of the Taj and trying to stop us from moving in," police Inspector Ashok Patil said.

Police said at least 250 people were wounded in the attacks which also targeted a railway station and the Cafe Leopold, perhaps the most famous restaurant and hang-out for tourists in the city.

An organisation calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen said it was behind the attacks, television channels said. The previously little known group sent an email to news organisations claiming responsibility.

In Washington, the White House and US President-elect Barack Obama condemned the attacks, as did France, current president of the European Union, and United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil said there were around four or five attackers in each of the two hotels.

"They have attacked hotels, they have attacked the hospitals, they have attacked the railway station," he said.

Aussie pleads for help on TV

An Australian man caught up in the terror attacks in Mumbai called Channel 7, desperate for help to escape the hotel in which at least two gunmen opened fire.

Steve Smith called Seven from a "dingy little room" at the back of the Taj, where he is hiding after seeing two gunmen toss grenades into the Leopold.

Mr Smith said he was desperate to find a way out of the hotel with a Japanese woman and two German air stewards he was hiding with.

"I don't have a weapon, or a firearm ... I don't know what's going on, I don't have access to a television or anything," he said.

Reaction

Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan said the Australian Government condemned the attacks.

"Australian authorities are making every effort to contact Australians that may be affected," he said on ABC radio.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade was trying to confirm the safety and welfare of Australians who may have been caught in the attacks.

India has suffered a wave of bomb attacks in recent years. Most have been blamed on Islamist militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the attacks.

- With Reuters
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The Plot Thickens

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Who are the Deccan Mujahideen?

Wed, 11/26/2008 - 7:34pm

One must always be suspicious when a "new" terrorist organization crops
up. Today's horrific attacks in Mumbai were claimed by a previously
unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen. But one India
journalist claims the pattern of the attacks suggests that Lashkar-e-Taiba,
a nasty Islamist organization based in Lahore, Pakistan, and with a
significant presence in Kashmir and links to al Qaeda, may be to blame.

Here's where it gets interesting -- and I stress here that I am just
speculating. Lashkar-e-Taiba's main goal is to expel India from Kashmir.
In the past, some have accused elements of the Pakistani military and
intelligence services of having ties to the group
. Pakistan's government
has always hotly denied such accusations.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has in recent weeks moved closer to
the United States, made some significant gestures toward India, and
moved to shut down the political wing of the ISI, Pakisan's powerful
intelligence service (that's the unit that tries to steal elections). How likely
is it that some angry "rogue elements" of the ISI, aligned with Kashmiri
jihadists and a team of Indian domestic extremists, sought to head off
these moves? I have no idea, but it's definitely a theory worth exploring.

There's another more straighforward explanation for today's attacks --
revenge. A group calling itself the "Indian Mujahideen" has claimed
responsibility for attacks in a number of different cities over the past
several months. The Indian Mujahideen sent a warning in September
expressing anger over recent raids by the city's antiterrorism squad
(ATS). Today's message from the Deccan Mujahideen appears to be
identical:

You should know that your acts are not at all left unnoticed; rather we are
closely keeping an eye on you and just waiting for the right time to
execute your bloodshed. We are aware of your recent raids at
Ansarnagar, Mograpada in Andheri and the harassment and trouble you
created there for the Muslims.

"You threatened to murder them and your mischief went to such an
extent that you even dared to abuse and insult Maulana Mahmood-ul-
Hasan Qasmi and even misbehaved with the Muslim women and children
there.

"If this is the degree your arrogance has reached, and if you think that by
these stunts you can scare us, then let the Indian Mujahideen warn all the
people of Mumbai that whatever deadly attacks Mumbaikars will face in
future, their responsibility would lie with the Mumbai ATS and their
guardians - Vilasrao Deshmukh and R R Patil. You are already on our hit-
list and this time very very seriously."


The chief of Mumbai's ATS was killed in a gun battle with some of the
attackers today.

UPDATE: On CNN just now, terrorism expert Rohan Gunaratna says that
the Indian Mujahideen are most likely to blame, and they are the same
group as the Deccan Mujahideen. "No other group has the capability," he
said, emphasizing the group's strength in Mumbai. He also pointed out
that such attacks would have taken months of planning.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/10392


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Students Islamic Movement of India
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Students Islamic Movement of India was formed in Aligarh, Uttar
Pradesh state, in April 1977. The stated mission of SIMI is the ‘liberation
of India’ from western materialistic cultural influence and to convert it into
an Islamic society. This organization is believed by many, including the
Government of India, to be involved in terrorism.

SIMI was banned by the Indian Government in 2002 for its involvement in
terror activities in India. However, in August 2008, a special tribunal lifted
the ban on SIMI. The ban was subsequently reinstated by the Supreme
Court of India on 6th August 2008

Fears exist in government circles that SIMI has been penetrated by
Al-Qaeda.
It is suspected that SIMI is now also operating under the name
of Indian Mujahideen
, an outfit that has taken responsibility for the 2008
Ahmedabad blasts, Jaipur blasts and 2008 Delhi blasts[3]. Indian
Mujahideen has taken responsibility of several terrorist acts in India and
communicates with the Indian media under the pseudonyms of Al-Arbi
and Al-Hindi[4].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_Islamic_Movement_of_India


Alternatively:

Quote:
Rustyh
India has suffered a wave of bomb attacks in recent years. Most have
been blamed on Islamist militants, although police have also arrested
suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the attacks.


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Even as a little-known Deccan Mujahideen group claimed responsibility for
the coordinated terror strikes in Mumbai on Wednesday night, the identity
and nature of the attack has left security agencies baffled.

In the camera shots of a suspected terrorist involved in the gruesome
shootout ever to be undertaken by terrorists, the AK-47 wielding youth
comes across as an average youngster.

Dressed in a black half T-shirt and jeans with a blue rucksack hung over
his left shoulder and red sacred thread tied on his right wrist, one might
just mistake him to be just another regular college going student.

What baffles the security agencies is the sacred thread tied on his
wrist which many say could be a plot to show that the attack was
undertaken by probably an extreme Hindu group.


http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080074233

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is part of the "Northwoods 2008: Target Pakistan" agenda. It is designed to make it appear as if Pakistan needs 'help' from US/NATO forces. The Bhutto Assassination was designed to destabilize Pakistan. The Marriott blast was designed to make it appear as if Pakistan was uncontrollable. The India attack is designed to make it appear as if Pakistan's uncontrollable terrorism is now a threat to everyone else.

"Police accused Pakistan's intelligence agency of planning those attacks"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7751160.stm
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What baffles the security agencies is the sacred thread tied on his
wrist which many say could be a plot to show that the attack was
undertaken by probably an extreme Hindu group.
Link


This Stinks.

The plot thickens even further:

The head of the Anti-Terror Squad was killed in the attacks!?


Quote:
ATS chief Karkare succumbs to injuries

Press Trust of India - Thursday, November 27, 2008

ATS chief Hemant Karkare, two senior police officers and 80 others were
killed when terrorists struck with impunity in Mumbai on Wednesday night
in coordinated multiple blasts and gunfire in a dozen areas including at
iconic landmarks CST railway station and two five star hotels--Oberoi and
Taj.

Karkare (54), who was probing the Malegaon blasts case, was gunned
down when he was leading an operation at Hotel Taj against terrorists
who had taken 15 people, including seven foreigners, as hostages. He
was hit by three bullets in his chest.

Link


Quote:
Hemant Karkare, Maharashta Police’s Anti-Terrorism Squad
chief, was among the 11 police officials who were killed while fighting
terrorists in Mumbai on Thursday.

Karkare, a 1982 batch IPS officer, had returned to his state cadre after a
seven-year tenure with the Research and Analysis Wing, Indian external
intelligence agency
, in Austria. His death is likely to affect the probe
into the Malegaon blast.




IN THE FOLLOWING REPORT A COMMENT IS MADE ABOUT KARKARE
POSSIBLY HAVING DIED OF INDISCRIMINATE FIRE "BY THE COPS"



http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ats-chief-hemant-karkare-killed--his-last-pics/79133-3.html


Let's just say that the India bombings on 29 September, 2008 are
deeply mired in political controversy. And the links go to Hindu
terrorists - not Islamic terrorists:


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29 September 2008 western India bombings

In the 29 September 2008 western India bombings, three bombs
exploded in Gujarat and Maharashtra of India killing 8 and injuring 80.
Two bombs went off in Malegaon, Maharashtra which killed seven people
while another blast in Modasa, Gujarat resulted in the death of one person....

Malegaon blasts

During investigation in the Congress-led Maharashtra province, alleged
evidence was made ascertaining the involvement of a Hindu group/s in
the blasts.... The ATS breakthrough was the motorcycle used in the blast,
which was traced to the owner in Surat who was said to have, or have
had, Hindutva links. The ATS added that this group could also be behind
the blast in Modasa, Gujarat. The BJP, however, said Hindu groups
couldn't possibly be involved in acts of terror, while the Congress said the
matter should be investigated....

Another major and controversial breakthrough came on November 14
when the ATS arrested the Varanasi-native Dayanand Pandey, alias
Sudhakar Dwivedi, who heads the Sharda Sarvagya Peeth.

Hemant Karkare, chief of ATS, said: "We had got some photos, numbers
and took help of UP police. He has not yet been arrested but will be if
required after interrogation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29_September_2008_western_India_bombings#Malegaon_blasts


The question of who was behind the Malegaon blast is a BIG one.
Karkare was leading the investigation. Consider this report just out:

Quote:
Rajnath’s new line: BJP won’t meddle in probe

Suman K Jha - Nov 27, 2008 at 0044 hrs IST

New Delhi : In a subtle shift from his recent pronouncements on the
Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur issue, BJP president Rajnath Singh said on
Wednesday that “my party doesn’t want to take sides in the Malegaon
blast case
” even as he kept up the attack on the Maharashtra Anti-Terror
Squad for “harassment and humiliation”
of the accused.


After asserting that he was not ready to believe that “Pragya is a
terrorist” and that “an Arushi-like case” was being built around her,
Rajnath said at a press conference in Jaipur on Wednesday: “We don’t
want to give shelter to anyone and take sides in the Malegaon blast case.
The BJP doesn’t want to interfere with the probe into the Malegaon blast.”
However, he added: “The ATS should not harass saints and Army
personnel
.” He also released a written statement after the press
conference.

While a section in the party had supported a “let the law take its own
course” line on Pragya, Rajnath had stoutly backed her, claiming in an
interview with The Indian Express Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta on
NDTV’s Walk The Talk (November 16) that “there could be a huge
conspiracy behind the Malegaon blast
” and that he was “not ready to
believe that Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur is a terrorist until there’s enough
evidence against her”.

On October 29, he had told this paper that an “Arushi-like case was being
built around her” and that “anyone believing in the ideology of cultural
nationalism cannot ever be a terrorist”, inviting severe criticism from the
Opposition.

The BJP now seems to have decided to raise the “discriminatory attitude”
of the UPA Government towards Pragya and others arrested in the case,
without questioning the probe into the blasts per se.

Repeating the charges of “human rights violations”, Rajnath hoped that
the Supreme Court would take “suo motu cognisance” of the allegations
leveled against the Maharashtra ATS
by Pragya and others. “It seems the
ATS has become an instrument to implement the hidden agenda of the
UPA Government
and there should be an enquiry into its actions,” he said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rajnaths-new-line-bjp-wont-meddle-in-.../391046/


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Malegaon probe trail now leads to Ajmer and Mecca Masjid blasts

Y P Rajesh - Nov 26, 2008

Mumbai : The investigation into the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast
has stumbled on new leads to support the suspicion of police that recent
unsolved bomb blasts such as the ones in Ajmer and the Mecca Masjid in
Hyderabad could be linked to it.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/malegaon-probe-trail-now-leads-to-ajmer-and-mecca-masjid-blasts/390669/

Political leadership has role in arrests, says Advani
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/political-leadership-has-role-in-arrests-says-advani/390142/


Quote:
Hemant Karkare was known for fair investigation

NDTV Correspondent - Thursday, November 27, 2008

The Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad's chief Hemant Karkare was
gunned down when he was leading an operation at Mumbai's Taj Hotel
against terrorists on Wednesday. He was hit by three bullets in his chest.


Karkare (54) was gunned down when he was leading an operation at
Hotel Taj against terrorists who had taken 15 people, including seven
foreigners, as hostages. He was hit by three bullets in his chest.

Karkare was probing the September 29 Malegaon blast case. He was an
IPS officer of the 1982 batch, who had served with the Research and
Analysis Wing (RAW) for nine years in Austria.

He was a man known for his discipline and fair investigation.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080074240


Investigation Continues Below:
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

India has always has its parallel trouble with Islamic nuts, through the Kashmir problem, and its cold, and hot war with Pakistan, therefore this most likely has to do with that in some form, though one never knows.

Foe instance, McCain would have given both his stiff broken arms for this incident to have occured before the election. Also it is interesting to note that since these peripheral “terrorist” incidents didn’t happen during the election cycle [again, something that McCain must have prayed for] its stands to reason that the black op boys that did all those fake terrorist incidents before the election cycle [such as the clowns that supposedly were to bomb the Sears building] were deliberately withheld to assist Obama, and now that the election is over, here we go again. Who is to say this isn’t the beginning of those kinds of incidents - the absurd ones, like the Sears building, and serious one like this – since we know the black op boys do, and have done both.
In other words now that Obama is in

The beat goes on

Or the bombs go on!


Here is an interesting take on it below by Deepak Chopra
on the Larry King Show
Remmeber this is the CIA network - CNN


Quote:
Chopra: Attack prompts tough questions

* (CNN) -- The Indian city of Mumbai exploded into chaos early Thursday morning as gunmen launched a series of attacks across the country's commercial capital, killing scores of people and taking hostages in two luxury hotels frequented by Westerners.
Deepak Chopra says extremists could be reacting to Barack Obama's gestures toward Muslims.

Deepak Chopra says extremists could be reacting to Barack Obama's gestures toward Muslims.

CNN's Larry King spoke with author Deepak Chopra about the situation.

Larry King: Let's go to Dr. Deepak Chopra, the physician, philosopher. His new book is "Jesus: A Story of Enlightenment."

Where were you born in India, Deepak?

Deepak Chopra: I was born in Delhi, but I have been in these hotels many, many times. I have stayed there, so I know the scene; I know the restaurants. I have been trying to get in touch with my friends and relatives, some of whom I have spoken to, some of whom I can't speak to. The lines are jammed. We're texting each other.

A friend of mine from Egypt was in the restaurant at the Taj hotel when the firing started, and somehow she managed to avoid the fray, hid in a basement and is now holed up in a room which is right next to the Taj hotel and is waiting to be told what to do.

The situation is complex, Larry, because it could inflame to proportions that we cannot even imagine. It has to be contained. We now recognize that this is a global problem, with only a global effort can solve this.

And you know, one of the things that I think is happening is that these militant terrorist groups are actually terrified that [President-elect Barack] Obama's gestures to the rest of the Muslim world may actually overturn the tables on them by alienating them from the rest of the Muslim world, so they're reacting to this.

You know, this is Obama's opportunity to actually harness the help of the Muslims. You know, there's 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. That's 25 percent of the population of the world. It's the fastest-growing religion in the world. We cannot, if we do not appease and actually recruit the help of this Muslim world, we're going to have a problem on our hands.

And we cannot go after the wrong people, as we did after 9/11, because then the whole collateral damage that occurs actually aggravates the situation.

In India, this is particularly inflammatory, because there's a rise of Hindu fundamentalism. We saw what that did in Gujarat, where, you know, Muslims were scorched and they were killed, and there was almost a genocide of the Muslims.

India has 150 million Muslims. That's more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. So this is an opportunity right now for India and Pakistan to recognize this is their common problem. It's not a Muslim problem right now; it's a global problem.

...

King: Do you think that this is just the beginning, that there's a potential impact, or more?

Chopra: There is a potential impact of a lot more carnage. But it can be contained. And right now, one of the questions, you know, after I heard Barbara Starr talking about how coordinated this is, that there are militant groups that cross international boundaries, is who is financing this? Where is the money coming from? We have to ask very serious, honest questions. What role do we have in this? Are our petrodollars funding both sides of this war on terrorism? Why are we not asking the Saudis where that money is going that we give them? Is it going through this supply chain to Pakistan?

It's not enough for Pakistan to condemn it. Pakistan should cooperate with India in uprooting this. They should be part of the surgery that is going to happen.

It's not enough for Indians to blame Pakistanis. Indians should actually ask the Pakistanis to help them.

And it's not enough for us to worry about Westerners being killed and Americans being killed. Every life is precious over there. We have got to get rid of this idea that this is an American problem or a Western problem. It's a global problem, and we need a global solution, and we need the help of all the Muslims, 25 percent of the world's population, to help us uproot this problem.

King: What does India immediately do?

Chopra: India at this moment has to contain any reactive violence from the fundamentalist Hindus, which is very likely and possible. So India has to condemn that by not blaming local Muslims. They have to identify the exact groups.

And the world has to be very careful that they don't go after the wrong people. Because if you go after the wrong people, you convert moderates into extremists. It happens every time, and retribution against innocent people just because they have the same religion actually aggravates and perpetuates the problem.

King: Are you pessimistic?

Chopra: I think Mr. Obama has a real opportunity here, but a challenging opportunity, a creative opportunity.

Get rid of the phrase "war on terrorism." Ask for a creative solution in which we all participate.

King: Is it because the war on terrorism really can never be won because the terrorists (inaudible)?

Chopra: Because it's an oxymoron. It's an oxymoron, Larry, a war on war, a war on terrorism.

You know, terrorists call mechanized death from 35,000 feet above sea level with a press of a button also terror. We don't call it that, because our soldiers are wearing uniforms. They don't see what is happening, and innocent people are being killed. So, you know, terror is a term that you apply to the other.

King: Thanks, Deepak Chopra, as always, extraordinarily enlightening.



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Al Qaeda may target New York trains, feds say

* Story Highlights
* Suicide bombers may be used against New York transit, government says
* Joint FBI, Department of Homeland Security statement says plot unconfirmed
* Attack could be planned for holiday season, statement says
* Next Article in U.S. »

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Federal authorities have received a "plausible but unsubstantiated" report that al Qaeda may have discussed targeting transit systems in or around New York, the Department of Homeland Security said.
Al Qaeda suicide bombers could target New York City subways, federal security officials say.

Al Qaeda suicide bombers could target New York City subways, federal security officials say.

"These discussions reportedly involved the use of suicide bombers or explosives" on subway or passenger rail trains, according to a joint Homeland Security and FBI statement issued Tuesday.

"We have no specific details to confirm that this plot has developed beyond aspirational planning, but we are issuing this warning out of concern that such an attack could possibly be conducted during the forthcoming holiday season," the statement said.

The uncorroborated information indicates that al Qaeda may have discussed in late September targeting New York transit systems, Homeland Security spokeswoman Laura Keener said. She said the memo was issued as a precaution so local officials could make decisions appropriate for their areas.

Although no adjustment is being made to the national threat level, she said, transit passengers in large metropolitan areas such as New York may see increased security in the days to come. That presence might include uniformed or plainclothes security officers, federal air marshals, canine teams and security inspectors, Keener said.

New York police also are deploying additional resources on the city's mass transit systems as a precaution, said a statement by Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne.

"It is not uncommon for the department to receive threat information and to adjust our resources accordingly," Browne said.
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* Al Qaeda leader mocks Obama

The FBI received the information through a channel that has provided reliable information in the past, so the agency is taking the threat seriously, counterterrorism sources said.

The FBI and Department of Homeland Security said they had no further information on the threat.

"We are working closely with the U.S. intelligence community, state and local law enforcement and homeland security officials to vet and corroborate this reporting, and will continue to investigate every possible lead. We'll provide updates as we obtain further information," the statement said.

The public should remain vigilant and report suspicious activity to authorities, it said.

Al Qaeda has the means to launch such an attack, said CNN senior international correspondent Nic Robertson, who has covered al Qaeda extensively since before the September 11 attacks.

"The al Qaeda-affiliated groups are still willing to make these attacks," Robertson said. "What we've seen in the past is, they've become capable of making these homemade bomb devices with detonators and exploding them by cell phones or by suicide bombings."

However, he said, it also would be possible for al Qaeda to plant false information.

"They would love to sort of create fear when they're not actually capable of creating a strike. ... I've seen it myself, in Afghanistan. You get the Taliban out there on the ground, and they're very capable of knowing that the troops are listening to them, and feeding and sowing false information trails saying, 'We're over on this part of the hill' when they're nowhere near it. They're very capable and knowledgeable about feeding false information."

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Incidentally, the Pune ATS on November 26 reportedly received
phone calls threatening to blow up the residence of Karkare
"within a couple of days"
.
Link


Anti-Terror boss Helmat Karkare was a thorn in the side
of those who want to portray Indian-Pakistani terrorism
as a purely Islamic issue.

He and his investigation were
becoming a real pain in the ass.

No wonder he is dead.


Looks like the prime motivations for this spectacular "Islamic" terrorism
incident were to re-establish the "Al-Qaeda"TM terror brand and also to
use this incident as a smokescreen to take Karkare and his political
support out of the picture.

Read this carefully,
reading between the lines:


Quote:
Is Purohit the man who knows too much?

27 Nov 2008, 0539 hrs IST,
Pranati Mehra & S Balakrishnan, TNN

MUMBAI: Maharashtra's ATS chief Hemant Karkare met the national
security advisor (NSA) M K Narayanan and the chief of Army intelligence
in Delhi on Tuesday along with two of his officers, sources told TOI on
Wednesday.


Parambir Singh and Sukvinder Singh, both additonal commissioners
working with Karkare, accompanied him to Delhi.

The meeting came a day after the ATS lost face in the MCOCA court of
Mumbai
when the special judge Y D Shinde refused to give ATS the
custody of the Sadhvi and Lt-Col P S Purohit though it was the first court
hearing after the police had invoked MCOCA.

The MCOCA hearing had been marked by allegations of torture in ATS
custody by most of the accused. But the meeting in Delhi could have been
on weightier issues. The ATS's faux pas in the Nashik court last Saturday
when it alleged Purohit's role in the Samjhauta train blast of February
2007, has put the Indian government in a bind.

The meeting of home secretaries of India and Pakistan is taking place in
Islamabad this week and the ATS's allegation against Purohit may come
handy to that country to debunk India's claims that the Samjhauta blast
was the handiwork of the ISI.


Sources also say the role of Purohit was discussed in further detail. The
officer's lawyer had argued in court that he had done some of the best
operations in the country and the Indians should be proud of him. Purohit
has worked in intelligence in J&K and would have been privy to some
very sensistive information.


The Centre fears that if Purohit discloses to the court or to the media,
after his release on bail, details of covert operations carried out by him
for military intelligence then it would internationally face a major
embarrassment. Purohit had taken part in several sensitive operations
in J& K and Northeast.

What is also worrying the Centre is the disclosure made under narco-
analysis by both Purohit and another accused Chaturvedi that non-Wahabi
Muslims had taken part in the conspirary
to plant bombs in Malegaon. If
this is true then it reveals a nexus between fanatic Hindu elements and
certain Muslim groups
. The Centre is also concerned that so far the exact
source of RDX believed to have been smuggled by Purohit has not been
identified so far.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Is_Purohit_the_man_who_knows_too_much/articleshow/3762368.cms


Karkare had just hit a brick wall in the courts
over his investigation into Hindu terrorism:

Quote:
Failure to get Sadhvi's custody a setback: ATS

Agencies - Nov 26, 2008 at 1614 hrs IST

Mumbai : The Anti-Terrorist Squad on Wednesday said its failure to get
police custody of Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur among other accused in
the Malagaon blast case from the MCOCA court is a setback which will
slow down the investigation.


"Police custody would have helped investigations to proceed faster but
still we will see how best to deal with it in a legal way," ATS Chief Hemant
Karkare said in a TV channel.

When asked about criticism levelled by BJP leaders especially, L K
Advani's outbursts against the agency, Karkare said "when allegations
are made anyone will feel hurt."


The ATS chief rejected charges of torture inflicted on Sadhvi during
police custody. "We are going by the copy book."

We are producing the accused in court whenever orders for the same are issued by the court," Karkare said.

Refuting the allegations of political bias in the probe, the Maharashtra ATS chief said that charges were not true.

"I can give you 100 per cent guarantee that there is and has been no political pressure on ATS either individually or on the department," he pointed out.

The ATS has come under fire from BJP and other saffron groups for allegedly acting on the orders of ruling Congress leaders, after some self-styled religious leaders were arrested by the team for alleged involvement in the September 29 Malegaon blast which killed six and left over 100 injured.

ATS searches Purohit's residence

The Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) unit on Wednesday searched the residential premises of the Malegaon blast accused Lt Col Srikant Prasad Purohit, booked under the MCOCA, in Pune.

"It was a routine search," an ATS officer said but declined to elaborate on the purpose behind the move.

According to sources, it continued for a couple of hours and no family member of Purohit was present during the search.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ats-disappointed-over-sadhvi/390911/

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly Deepak Chopra and his comments about Hindu sectarians gibe with this.

“Chopra: India at this moment has to contain any reactive violence from the fundamentalist Hindus, which is very likely and possible. So India has to condemn that by not blaming local Muslims. They have to identify the exact groups.

And the world has to be very careful that they don't go after the wrong people. Because if you go after the wrong people, you convert moderates into extremists. It happens every time, and retribution against innocent people just because they have the same religion actually aggravates and perpetuates the problem.”


Now looking at this from a cynical perspective [ since we know CNN is CIA run] Chopra’s remarks seem to be from the vantage point of a humanitarian trying to prevent further chaos, but may in-fact be a reverse psychological attempt to rile things up by him [ Chopra] bringing up the possibilities of Hindu-Muslim super strife.

I though am not accusing Chopra of anything negative, since I think he would only be used by the CIA run CNN network, to in-fact fan the flames through suggestion, even though Depak is well-intentioned, the CIA is not.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

False flag fuckery part#####
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esperanza Aguirre, the president of the Community of Madrid region and one of Spain's Bildersberg representatives was in the lobby of the Oberoi hotel in Bombay when the shooting took place and survived to tell the tale. She and the delegation from Madrid were there to visit Infosys Tecnologies - they're both big time into globalisation.

She survived a helicopter crash a couple of years ago, so now she's practically indestructable! It's possible at some future date that she becomes Spain's new Thatcher (Aznar being the old one).

Anyway, my point in giving this irrrrrrelevant info is that her Jane's Bond red hotline telephone to 'G' must scaldingly red hot as to why she was not informed of any impending Ops where she might be caught in the crossfire, while carrying on her globalising duties. I mean image, what an outrage! And then she'll probably bathe in the wonderfully positive image enhancement. What a coo ..I mean coup.

So, maybe it's not NWO/G-Numbers/CIAetc-Qeadas/...
Or, maybe as she's bullet-proof they sent her to add credability.

Or, maybe as I suspect, she's totally unknown and totally irrrrrelevant outside her own lunchbox and was and is just very lucky fascist scumbag!

Anyway, for those who've never heard of her, here she is in all her spotlight glory:-

http://www.cadenaser.com/internacional/articulo/aguirre-fuimos-conscientes-sucedia-vimos/sernot/20081127csrcsrint_6/Tes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
James D: maybe as I suspect, she's totally unknown and totally irrrrrelevant
outside her own lunchbox and was and is just very lucky fascist scumbag!

Most likely.

Here's Karkare’s last press contacts:

Quote:
Karkare’s response to a death threat: A 'smiley'

Y P Rajesh - Nov 27, 2008 at 1637 hrs IST

Mumbai : The last days of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS)
chief Hemant Karkare were probably some of the busiest in his 26-year
career in the Indian Police Service (IPS), and apparently tormented as
well.


The ATS believed it had cracked the September 29 Malegaon bomb blast
case, and about a month ago arrested Hindu extremists in a breakthrough
that shocked the nation and added a new twist to the entire discourse on
Terror and religion.

But as the probe unravelled the alleged plot and the role of some Hindu
leaders
, the case got caught in the politics of terror and the ATS was at
the centre of charges that it was being used as a tool to target the Sangh
Parivar amid allegations of illegal detention and torture by some of the 11
arrested for the blast.

The BJP, RSS and VHP leaders, among others from the Hindu nationalist
brigade, accused the ATS of being on a witch-hunt, with some even
demanding that ATS officers be subjected to a narco-analysis to establish
their motives.

No less a leader than the BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate, L K Advani,
had demanded a change in the ATS team and a judicial inquiry into the
torture allegations made by Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, a key suspect
in the Malegaon case.

The Shiv Sena too had come out in support of the suspects and on
Wednesday had threatened in its mouthpiece Saamna that it would
publish the names of some ATS officers and shame them as it said they
had tortured the Malegaon suspects.

That Karkare was affected by this was apparent when we met at his office
on Tuesday to get an update on the probe, less than 36 hours before he
was killed. The Indian Express has decided to break the confidence of
what was an off-the-record conversation in an attempt to highlight the
anguish of the investigators over the currents in which the Malegaon
probe was getting caught
as well as the larger debate over the politics of
terror.

"I don't know why this case has become so political," was one of
Karkare's first comments. "The pressure is tremendous and I am
wondering how to extricate it from all the politics.
"

Was the pressure telling on the investigation, what with someone who
could be the next prime minister of the country questioning the
credibility of the ATS?

"Of course," was the answer. "We are being very very careful. In fact,
when we want to question a suspect and if he or she has any
Hindutvawadi connections, we make sure once, twice, thrice, that we
have enough reason and evidence to even question. Normally it is not like
that. We are able to freely question anyone we suspect."

"In fact, immediately after the blast I had visited Malegaon along with the
Deputy Chief Minister and other officials and witnessed the anger of the
locals who shouted some slogans," Karkare said. "After that I told my
men that we have to pursue this case very objectively and not start with
assumptions that people of this community or that community could be
responsible."

Originally from Madhya Pradesh, Karkare studied mechanical engineering
in Nagpur and worked at the National Productivity Council and Hindustan
Lever before making it to the IPS in 1982. Known to be an upright officer
who served in the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) as well as the
Indian mission in Vienna, Austria, as a counselor, Karkare did not hide his
love for Mumbai or his discomfort with the predominantly political-
bureaucratic culture of Delhi where he was posted.

During a stint in the Chandrapur forests near Nagpur in 1991 to fight
Naxalites, he took an interest in driftwood, discovered artistic shapes in
them and converted them into wooden sculptures, making about 150 of
them over a two-year period. Talking to the media about sensitive cases
such as Malegaon could prove to be a double-edged sword, he had said
as we parted, adding that he would like us to meet informally once a
month so that he could learn the ways of the media.

His last visuals as seen on TV showed him working with his men near the
VT station, the target of one of the attacks, although it is perplexing at
this point in time why such a senior officer ended up getting exposed to a
brazen terrorist attack
. Initially, he was shown wearing a shoddy helmet
normally seen used by constables during riots. A little later, a policeman
lowers a flimsy bulletproof vest over his shoulders, one that was
obviously of little protection when those fatal shots were fired at him.

The previous evening, hours after our meeting, TV channels had
‘breaking news’ that he had received a fresh death threat from some
unidentified caller, apparently in connection with the Malegaon probe. An
Indian Express reporter SMSed him asking him if this was true or if he
had anything to say. His reply: just a smiley....

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ats-chief-hemant-karkare-dies-a-heros-death/391325/

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite serendipitous how Newsweek released an article a few days before about the rise of the Hindu right and the upcoming elections in India could help usher an even more nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party back into power.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/170301

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