Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 2448 Location: The Canadian shield
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: Depends on your point.......of view :shock:
Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Unless your windows are open.....wide open.
Like psychic vampires, you must invite them in before they can come in and deposit their crap all over the place. No respect and no need for them, they can keep their access to Akachic archives and their use(interpretation) of same. They need us way more than we need them. _________________ The grand design, reflected in the face of Chaos.
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: 27th Telluride Mushroom Festival
The Mushroom Festival is an annual gathering of fungi lovers in Telluride and its mushroom rich surrounds. Each summer festival-goers gather to pick, discuss, parade, and eat, for an information filled weekend.
We gather to celebrate and explore all aspects of fungi.
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much thanks to whoever posted the terence vids. coincidentally, i've been listening to a lot of terence recently, but hadn't heard this one. I find there to be no better ear candy than when Terence gets on a roll. Great finish...
“All of the horror of history can be redeemed if we don’t drop the ball. Every pogrom, every instance of racial, sexual or minority persecution can be redeemed if we give the human adventure meaning. And we give it meaning by discovering the totality within ourselves and then exemplifying it for each other. And this dissolves boundaries, empowers the weak, enlightens the strong and brings hope to all. And it can only be done if we accept the gifts which nature has offered us.” – Terence McKenna, concluding words from Seeking the Stone lecture [emphasis mine] _________________ "There is only one admirable form of the imagination: the imagination that is so intense that it creates a new reality, that it makes things happen." - Sean O'Faolain
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Schwarzer Stein
A racist occult society based on ethnic and historical Germany identity. It was founded in 17, 1918, by Rudolf von Sebottendorff, and included several prominent members of the Nazi party.
The Thule Society maintained contacts with followers of Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky. Sebottendorf was also Freemason in the Grand Orient of Turkey.
Heinrich Himmler was rumored to be a member of the Thule Society and the Vril society.
The early occult roots of the SS Schutzstaffel (German for "Protective Squadron"), were the men of the Schwarzer Stein, black stone [black purple stone].
The stone was used by trance channelers like Maria Orsic.
The Wewelsburg was built from 1603 to 1609 by the Prince of Paderborn. Its location is near what was then believed to be the site of the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. Legend suggests that it held thousands of accused witches during the 17th century, who were tortured and executed within its walls.
Inside the tower at Wewelsburg, the vault has a special acoustic and illumination.
Based on a symbol of the knights of the round table. Heinrich Luitpold Himmler designed a new swastika.
In the center of the marbled whitish/grayish floor a dark green sun wheel is embedded (see photo). Probably a golden disc was placed in the middle of the ornament originally. After the second world war the ornament was called the "black sun". It is not known if the SS had a name for the ornament nor if they attributed a special meaning to it.
In 1925, the castle had been renovated into a museum, banquet hall and hostel - six years later the North Tower again proved to be the weak point of the architecture, and had to be supported by guy wires. In 1934, at the suggestion of Karl Maria Wiligut, Heinrich Himmler signed a 100-mark 100-year lease with the Paderborn district, initially intending to renovate and re-design the castle as a school for Nazi leadership (the so-called SS "Führerkorps").
This tower was to serve as the actual "center of the world".
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 1337 Location: SpaceTimeVibration
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Re: 27th Telluride Mushroom Festival
Here is a cut and paste from another forum I participate on...spelling is atrocious in this quote but some valid points are made by the author.
What follows is my response....
yeah, i would of said that a while back too, but if you reshearch what all major religions talk about as regards angles and gods ect... it is my belive the anciant texts where writen under the influence of psycodelics, the more and more i read and whatch regarding this stuff, the more it makes scence. its certainly make more scence than people seeing manifesations of angels, and god up in the sky.. i think that maybe these some phycodelics are ways into other dimenetions.
i admit ive only just started reading about Amanita muscaria but have a little read about some of it in anciant cultures also the dmt molecule.
loads here http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Amanita+muscaria+ancient+truth&spell=1
the holy grail >>>> http://www.egodeath.com/amanita.htm
I am with you world change...there is a direct link to botanticals.
Maria Louise von Franz also demonstrated that terminally ill people dream about plant world archetypes prior to death.
And most interestingly ... ayahuasca used by the shamans ... is a vine ...
Jack (overheard): Hey Jill ... ewe wanna climb my beanstalk?
But let us Z/Soom in on the vine for a moment.
Jeremy Narby .... Now here is an anthropologist who I highly respect ... he actually takes the time to make amends, and apologizes for ALL of the self-serving western anthropologists of the past, present and future, who attach a western bias to the indigenous cultures...how wrong is that?
He wrote The Cosmic Serpent and has noted: why is it a 'drug' taken from this vine, an hallucinogen that takes you into the realm of florescent dragons and serpents, winding staircases and stairways to heaven, also not look like DNA filaments unraveling?
If the ewe answered NO.
Actually when I was a FireFighter ... the command given from the defibrillator was ... "Check Patient Check Patient".
Wait there is more.
Anybody read Latin?
The ayahuasca vine looks very much like the asymmetrical pillars that we find in all Freemason lodges and in Rosslyn Chapel.
Here we have another great clue overlooked by Danny Brown Shoes who danced with Pope Dorothy Red Shoes/Shu.
Dan Brown was promised fame if he printed lies...being a ewe he didn't know the damage he has done to the TRUTH.
And he probably just does not realize it, being a very successful ewe takes ewe to a higher plateau true.
But consider this...ewe are still grazing, ewe are still not getting the best view from your new vista....
Ewe are not wise like this fellow...represented by the number nine.
Just a coincidence to a ewe.
Holy Grail is Mary's Womb...eh?
Too funny...could have been...but I think the archetypes that serve ALL of humanity should be learned from and not just one self-serving story of Biblical Babel...
Jesus' descendants are alive and well and the fate of the world now rests is in the hands of Dan Brown?
I want to know something...is he like the new Vatican spokesperson...oy vey....fly him to MIaMI...he knows the me tune quite well called the Solfeggio frequency 528 = MI = science has proved HEALS DNA.
Enough with the fucking bullshieSSe. Please, it is very painful to observe...
Now let me show the EWE some symbols that represented Jesus or Iesus Salvator in the middle ages.
IS = light
IS = 'Jesus Saviour'
ISIS = Ish Ish = Light Light = in Egyptian
But obviously the Vatican have domesticated the sheeple people into reaching for the wrong gold.
Can I make it any more obvious?
Ever noticed that the $ and the number 4 share the same KEY in the 4th dimension?
Let's take another look at the images you posted.
When looking at these symbols humanity uses based on old, ancient knowledge, interpretation is best achieved if we attach what we know about mushrooms, what even a child should know and can understand.
Why is their 'energy' considered magical, mushrooms and children?
Why is their 'energy' different and used in potions and spells ... ?
Mushrooms grow in the Dark. Children grow best in the Dark too.
The Pope obviously only presents an illusion to the sheeple people.
He is veiled.
Without a doubt.
Mi goal is too see him, the Pope Emperor who wears the frock of the goddess he deposed, riding naked on a horse through the town square, called St. Peter.
The ewe will be feed only lies as Dan Brown is led by the dark lords through the catacombs of the Vatican feeding his soul...makin' him feel good about his SucESSES.
Celtic legend relates that a certain hero named Lugh blinded a one-eyed giant by means of a red-hot iron, and this name Lugh is always equated with Lleu, the Welsh word for Light.
The ambiguous ISSI, YSSE, ISSE, or ISSA is related to ESSE, the Latin verb "to be", and from the eSSe is derived the word eSSence, a philosophic and poetic synonym for the Soul or "Light within".
-Harold Bayley from the Lost Language of Symbolism
Have you read my SS = Sanctus Spiritus = Holy Spirit thread?
The ewe should...it is an enlightening look at how powerful symbols were buried during the dark ages....and then used against the herd of humanity.
It appears the Goddess may try to resurrect herself.
Go diva go!!!
Go diva go!!!
Ra Ra Ra!!!
Go the Baa!!!
namaste _________________ KEY 528=Swastika=ancient Spherical Standing Wave Theory
“A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise, the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…”
Dennis McKenna is one of the leading figures in the global psychedelic and scientific communities investigating plant entheogens and indigenous plant medicines. He was involved with the “Hoasca Project” studying ayahuasca usage by members of the Church de Vegetal and recently issued the manifesto “Ayahuasca and Human Destiny”. Along with his late brother Terence, Dennis co-wrote the book “The Invisible Landscape” which revealed their psychedelically influenced insights into the nature of reality and spacetime they received during “The experiment at La Cholerra” in South America in 1971 (later recounted in Terence’s book “True Hallucinations”). Here, he talks at length about what happened at La Cholerra and how that influenced his later work with ayahuasca.
Rak> Dennis you received your doctorate in 1984, so you’ve been studying plant entheogens for over twenty years now professionally. I’d like to backtrack just a bit to talk about how you got into the psychedelic and plant sacrament culture. In your brother Terence’s book “True Hallucinations” he details your adventures into Amazonian shamanism, could you tell us a bit about those times and how you and Terence began?
DENNIS> Right. [True Hallucinations] was Terence’s book but I was one of the main subjects in it. We wrote together a book in 1975 called “The Invisible Landscape” which we were co-authors on. That was an attempt to kind of lay out in scientific terms and make sense of our experiences at La Cholerra. But True Hallucinations was more like a novel version of that. The Invisible Landscape was like a pseudo-scientific screed in a way, and True Hallucinations was more like a travel novel of our adventures in the Amazon kind of thing.
Rak> I guess what interested me about all this is that you’ve become a leading scientist in this field but before that as the books reveal there was this thirst for adventure, this calling to know more about indigenous people and the plant medicines. Both The Invisible Landscape and True Hallucinations reveal some intense encounters with plant medicines, could you explain what happened there at La Cholerra?
DENNIS> Yes... What happened at La Cholerra... (laughs) What happened is a very long story. I guess the first thing to make clear about what happened at La Cholerra is that it didn’t occur in the context of any indigenous use of psychedelics, or ayahuasca, or any of these things. At the time we thought it did, but we were deluded in many ways. I was 20, [Terence] was 24. We were at that stage where you know everything (laughs).
And yes, we had a thirst for adventure but our adventure at La Cholerra really grew out of our preoccupation with DMT. We were both hippies in the 60s, in Berkeley and the Haight-Ashbury and all that. Like everybody at that time in that sort of countercultural movement we were interested in psychedelics. We took LSD and thought that was interesting and so on. But unlike a lot of people, for various reasons that I now view as fated, in a way, DMT came down the pike.
So we began to look into the ethnobotanical literature on this, and I don’t know what even lead us to ethnobotany... maybe it was Carlos Castenada or something like that. LSD and all those psychedelics were not used in the 60s in the context of any shamanic tradition, it was, if anything, it was in the Leary Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out kind of ideal. [But] through various routes we found out that DMT was the active ingredient in a lot of South American hallucinogens that were in use.
When we got to La Cholerra we were, if not exactly welcomed, at least not thrown out. And so we settled in, and at this scene, this mission, they had cleared maybe a couple of hundred acres or rainforest and they had brought in cows. So these cows were everywhere and as a result the pasture was literally dotted everywhere with psilocybin mushrooms. Everywhere you looked out of cowpies there were these huge clusters of psilocybin mushrooms growing. We had actually had a previous encounter with the mushrooms on the way in at Puerto Leguizamo, which was the first time either one of us had taken any mushrooms.
RAK> They weren’t big in the States at the time?
DENNIS> They weren’t big and they were unheard of in the States at the time.
RAK> They didn’t exist in the States or they just weren’t being used widely?
DENNIS> No. Not really. Psilocybin was a legendary substance that never really showed up on the streets. Things showed up on the streets that purported to be psilocybin, but they were LSD basically. Nobody knew how to grow mushrooms at that time. It wasn’t happening. What you got was frozen store bought mushrooms that had been sprayed with LSD. It was totally fake, nobody knew about it.
So we started taking these mushrooms and having lively conversations all the time fuelled by mushrooms and fuelled by liberal ingestion of cannabis at all times of the day and night. Cannabis was virtually legal in Colombia at that time. We brought in a pound and a half of the best native bud we could lay out hands on.
... And one of the aspects of taking the mushrooms was this sound that we could hear at high doses. You could hear a sound at the edge of detection that seemed to be a kind of high-pitched, electronic buzzing and popping sound. It’s the sound you can hear very strongly when you smoke DMT. The sound of ripping cellophane, people describe it that way, or crumpling cellophane or things like that.
We developed this idea that if you could listen to this sound, and not only listen but imitate the sound, you could sing it, it was something that you could imitate and if you tried to imitate it you reached a point where it sort of locked on to this internal resonance. Initially it sounds stupid, y’know, you’re trying to follow a tune along and you’re not getting it very well, but at some point you would lock on to this, and then it would just pour out of you. You couldn’t even stop it.
What we were doing was not science - it was magic . We thought we were doing science but we didn’t know anything about science at the time. We set up what we called an experiment, but what we should have really called a ritual. Honestly it was a ritual but we had the idea that if we took a large dose of mushrooms, along with ayahuasca and heard this sound, that we could generate this standing wave form and that we could actually transfer that into the body of a mushroom in a stable way so that it would be outside the body and it would be sustained by it’s own superconducting circuitry, and you would be able to see it and be it at the same time. It would be, in a sense, an artifact from beyond that you generate out of your own head. It would be a super, transbiological artifact, translinguistic matter that would be meaning itself fixed into a biological matrix.
RAK> And do you think it succeeded, the experiment?
DENNIS> (hesitates)... No... (laughs) No, not exactly… What we were trying to do, essentially, if I can harken back to the basis of this in myth and history, I mean the closest analogy to it is the Philosopher’s Stone. We were trying to recreate the Philosopher’s Stone, which in some ways is the ultimate artifact. That thing that exists and is both mind and matter and responds to thought and is you and can do anything you can imagine, literally, anything you can imagine.
And so we performed the experiment and what we postulated was going to happen – didn’t happen, obviously. How could it happen? It didn’t happen that the mushroom would explode on a cloud of super-condensed glowing crystals and leave a glowing violet disk in front of us, no. That’s not what happened, y’know. That was the whole for result. That we’d just be able to get in the saucer and fly away. And end History in the process.
RAK> It’s a very grand ideal there, and I guess the immediate result was that your MAO inhibitors were mixed up for a while there?
DENNIS> Totally fucked up for a while, that’s one theory. I was completely out of it for two weeks.
RAK> But were you in that zone, that completely hallucinogenic DMT zone inside your head for two weeks?
DENNIS> No, no, what happened was... Well one theory is the MAO permanent disruption of MAO brain chemistry for weeks, and that’s one possibility. I’m now not so sure that that’s true. Because other people take mushrooms and ayahuasca or they synergize mushrooms with beta-carbolines and things like that any they don’t go crazy. Invariably they don’t go crazy.
I had this feeling that I had been literally smeared over creation by this experiment that we’d done. I was literally a space cadet. What was happening to me was I was experiencing this slow collapse over each 24 hour period from the edges of the universe to a concentration. So that over each period, like the first time, the first 24 period I was in the whole cosmos. And then the second one it was like the galactic cluster...
And I’ve thought about it, of course. I’ve thought about it a lot since then, and really the only model that really fits is not a biochemical model or a pharmacological model. The only model that fits is a shamanistic initiation. That’s what happened to me.
I didn’t ask for it. I wasn’t prepared for it. But that’s what happened. Because in shamanic traditions in all cultures all over the world, there is this notion of being literally torn apart and put back together - in a better way than you were before. And I feel -- and I’m not a shaman, I’m not claiming to be a shaman, I didn’t ask to be a shaman -- but I got the initiation and I do feel that ultimately it was a very integrative thing. It was a healing thing that happened to me.
RAK> Do you think that then has influenced your future career as a scientist, which is the Western shaman, in a way.
DENNIS> Oh, totally. Totally influenced my future career.
RAK> Could you then tell us a bit about the “Hoasca Project” and some of the other scientific explorations you’ve done with ayahuasca? What were the results, that the receptors of the brain were improved? The serotonin receptors?
DENNIS> In 1991 [I was] invited to a conference… that the UDV [Unaio de Vegetal, a legal ayahuasca church] had organized. And the UDV had a medical studies section at the time. Although they’re quick to deny that ayahuasca is a drug but they still had a medical health section. They were under scrutiny from the Brazilian government who was looking at their practice and wondering should they allow this? Or should we prohibit it? And what’s going on, is this harmful of not? So they wanted to do an actual biomedical study, and they wanted foreign researchers to do it.
I came away from that field trip with that idea, that we could develop a bio-medical study [that eventually showed that] the receptors of the brain were improved. Maybe we thought they would have an improved immune function, we didn’t really have any idea what it might be .
RAK> There seems to be a growing influence by science in general and Big Pharma – big pharmacological companies to engage in ‘bio-piracy’.
DENNIS> Uh, yeah, yeah. There has always been some degree of interest from Big Pharma to look into Amazonian plants for potential sources of new medicines. At one time I wanted to develop a standardized preparation of ayahuasca and file an IND in the United States and do a clinical study to look at it’s potential for the treatment of alcoholism... But then I had an epiphany a while back. The FDA is never going to approve and IND, that is, an Investigational New Drug application for a plant that, for a medicine that not only is a plant, but a plant that contains a controlled substance.
I’m still curious about ayahuasca and I still think science can tell us a lot about ayahuasca. But I have given up my pharmaceutical ambitions to turn it into a drug, or a drug that can be used clinically. I’ve gotten a strong message that… ayahuasca is a sacred thing and I don’t want the pharmaceutical industry to co-opt it. I think that those who need to find ayahuasca will find it. I think ayahuasca will find those it needs to find.
RAK> How much of you as a scientist believes that the chemical structure [of ayahuasca] can be replicated versus how much of it is the spirit of the plant, the shaman or the practioner administering the plant that is involved in the outcome?
DENNIS> Well... Um... I think that in the practice of ayahuasca a lot of it has to do with the shamanic practice and the spirit of the thing.
RAK> Apart from the science, how do you feel about the countercultural interest in ayahuasca and indigenous medicines that’s really booming at the moment globally?
DENNIS> I’m not sure how I feel about it. I think that it’s sort of inevitable. I think that in the global culture, in the world culture a great many people are spiritually bereft. I think that the conventional religious institutions and other type of institutions that have normally sustained society are now seen to be simply empty, and without meaning, or actually inimical to the survival of our species.
And I think there’s a great deal of anxiety, whether it’s expressed or not, about the global crisis that we’re in. And I think the people are turning to indigenous traditions in search of something, something more meaningful.
RAK> You wrote the recent document from 2005, “Ayahuasca and Human Destiny”, and I guess for me reading that it seemed a bit of a positive manifesto of the potentials of ayahuasca for Westerners.
DENNIS> Absolutely. I don’t think you can arrest this. I think it is a positive manifesto. The agenda that’s been manifested is not our agenda -- it’s ayahuasca’s agenda. And it works in a co-evolutionary way. I don’t believe that you can fence indigenous people in and protect them from the outside world, that’s not the right message. It’s not even possible because people are going to inevitably come down to places like this [Iquitos] and look for whatever it is they can’t find in their own traditions. There’s always been this cross-cultural fertilization. I mean, shamans have websites now, and things like that. And that’s okay, I’m okay with that.
RAK> Do you think that the West is perhaps getting what it needs? In the last 50 years or so of Western history there’s been the beatniks and marijuana, acid and the hippies in the 60s, rave culture and ecstasy in the 80s and 90s, and now in the 00’s ayahuasca is coming in? It seems that every successive generation needs to reconnect via some drug, and now it’s going back to an indigenous way?
DENNIS> In some degree I think by increments we’re learning maybe how to do it better. I think that the thing that maybe distinguishes the global interest in ayahuasca from these other movements is that they lacked a context. They lacked a tradition. The reason so many people got into trouble with psychedelics in the 60s was that there was no context. It just sort of appeared on the scene and the chief spokesman for the whole thing was Timothy Leary. And he was in some ways hardly an admirable figure. He had his own agenda, which was fame and recognition, and he’s kind of a trickster figure. But there was no context. The same with rave culture in a sense.
RAK> Your late brother Terence was quite a prominent figure in the 90s representing psychedelics in the rave scene, and he had a very positive agenda as well.
DENNIS> I think ultimately he had a positive agenda. I think even Timothy Leary had a positive agenda. But I think the rave culture... there was a Spanish [doco maker] here before and he said it’s really cut loose in Spain... And people go to these venues and they dance all weekend and they’re totally loaded on ecstasy all the time and it means nothing. They get nothing out of it.
RAK> The West is actually bereft of elders in an indigenous sense and we hunger for them. It doesn’t have that structural history and people like Terence became an elder of the global tribe...
DENNIS> Yeah, and really urging people, I think, to rediscover the sacred. His whole notion of the Archaic Revival was right on, in a sense. And I think that’s what you’re seeing with ayahuasca, it’s not just the substances that you have to rediscover, it’s the sacredness and the context of their use, the traditions. And so I think the interest in ayahuasca is encouraging in that people are waking up to the fact that you have to rediscover not only the substances but the context for their use and are looking to these archaic traditions where people have developed over millennia ways to relate to these plants and these substances.
RAK> It seems like a lot of the indigenous cultures are chasing the Western dream of materialism at the moment, yet at the same time in the West people are chasing the indigenous dream, so maybe it’s balancing out.
DENNIS> That’s right. And then there’s the whole other aspect of the global culture, what I call the Corporatist Fascists who basically want to control everything and want to suppress both of these things because they think that they should own the world. And that the rest of the world, that their job is to be consumers and workers and shut up and not cause trouble.
RAK> You call ayahuasca in your manifesto, “Ayahuasca and Human Destiny”, a “Holy Grail for our species”, or a potential Holy Grail for our species. Do you think it can heal the world?
DENNIS> (pauses)... I hope so, because something needs to (laughs)... I don’t know. I don’t know. I mean I think it has the potential to. But I’m a worried optimist in a sense. I think the world is in serious need of healing and in serious need of waking up. I think there are a lot of trends happening at the same time...
Some very positive trends like the global ayahuasca movement and the rediscovery of the Archaic. I think this is an encouraging thing but there are a lot of bad things happening, too, in the world. The destruction of the environment, the changes we’re making to the global climate, the unwillingness of the powers that be to even acknowledge that this is going on, let alone do something about it. The implementation of the global police state, the implementation of a state of perpetual war. I mean terrorism, c’mon! This is a smokescreen.
RAK> It’s Dominator Culture having it’s last wrestle trying to control the steering wheel.
DENNIS> Exactly. And they’re very powerful, very dangerous and very ruthless.
RAK> Does it seem sort of ironic and yet balanced again that while Dominator Culture’s trying to wrest control, the spirit of the earth or of nature is actually seeding all these things and going out again to try and regulate the human monkey out of control?
DENNIS> Yeah, well, totally. I couldn’t have said it better myself. This is exactly what it’s doing.
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