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onlytruth



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aAzzAa wrote:


Really, what does it matter if there was a concrete core or not? The collapse looks plain unnatural. But you don't agree Gamo "care to explain, answer me this, the balls in your court" lon?


aAzzAa, not only did the collapse look plain unnatural, the collapse was repeated after a 30 minute intermission.

Chris, not sure how "concrete" the core was in the following photo, but it was the core nevertheless for your reference.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aAzzAa wrote:
Big Boss wrote:
Hey Fintan, long time no post (for me anyway lol) but i've finished listening to the incredible audio w/ Chris Brown and wow.....lets just say it put me on even more fire to do some digging and investigating, especially concerning that hard to damn find video. Well, i think im close and i HOPE this is useful in our 3i investigation Smile. I DL'd it the other night right after i was done listening to the audio and im going to send Chris a link as well Smile. Its short (about 25 mins) and i didnt even get to finish it, so maybe it should be of some good use to us eh? Thank you (and Kathy as well of course) as always for the news reports and BFN, and thank you Chris for the incredible hardcore analysis.

[url][/url]

Building The World Trade Towers: 1983 Construction Documentary Film


Why bother downloading it from the link you provided? It's freely available on youtube is it not? Puppetmaster Grumpy posted it here about 100 pages ago. Don't recall Chris recognizing this as the video he was referring to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZS5a7je5Vs

First time I watched this I was reminded of the Harry Enfield piss takes of the propoganda movies back in the 50s. Like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ivsb79-h90


Obviously i was not aware of that. I hadn't even finished the docu. let alone know if anyone else here posted about it or made a search to see if anyone did. Thanks anyway and here is hoping that the documentary is found someday.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff290/gamolon/010913_5316.jpg[/img]

Anyone else see somehing a bit strange about this picture?
I asked a 9 year old and he spotted it straight away.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aAzzAa wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Total pulverization huh?



If that is true, please tell me how the PAPER in that photo survived and yet concrete did not.

Let me guess. Planted evidence right?

Eyes roll


Aaaah, now I get it. When the floors above gave way, it turned them into a giant cheese grater, gnawing its way into all that was below it, munching each floor and laying it all to waste.

Mind you, saw some footage of some embassy in Africa that was bombed.
Amazing similarity to the mess one sees where the twin towers previously were.

Really, what does it matter if there was a concrete core or not? The collapse looks plain unnatural. But you don't agree Gamo "care to explain, answer me this, the balls in your court" lon?


This picture im talking about.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rustyh wrote:
aAzzAa wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Total pulverization huh?



If that is true, please tell me how the PAPER in that photo survived and yet concrete did not.

Let me guess. Planted evidence right?

Eyes roll


Aaaah, now I get it. When the floors above gave way, it turned them into a giant cheese grater, gnawing its way into all that was below it, munching each floor and laying it all to waste.

Mind you, saw some footage of some embassy in Africa that was bombed.
Amazing similarity to the mess one sees where the twin towers previously were.

Really, what does it matter if there was a concrete core or not? The collapse looks plain unnatural. But you don't agree Gamo "care to explain, answer me this, the balls in your court" lon?


This picture im talking about.


Is it the fact that the ambulance is not crushed?? Or am I missing something else?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy
Spot on krammer.
110 stories have collapsed and it has dust on it!
No severe dents or scratches, and even the windscreen isnt broke.
Seems weird unless someone has a logical reason for this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:

carcdr wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Pulverized concrete does not make sense that early,


Correct. But, we see voluminous dust trails, nevertheless.


So you agree that it doesn't make sense.


Quote:
For the third time. You just admitted that pulverized concrete that early in the collapse does not make sense.


Apparently, English is not your first language.

Ask someone to explain to you the subtleties of the usage of words like "but" and "nevertheless".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:

Do you honestly believe that the panels falling that distance and/or having all the other debris would not dislodge the plaster?


Not in mid-air.

Clearly, the falling panels were not crushed before they fell. We can clearly see that they maintained their shape as they fell.

The panels were not crushed, they simply fell. Since the panels were not crushed, one should not assume that the gypsum/wallboard/etc close to the panels was crushed, either.

(This doesn't discount the possibility that the panels and gypsum/wallboard/etc was crushed when it finally hit the ground).

So, if the panels and the nearby wallboard was not crushed, what caused the dust? Dust that trailed the panels all of the way down. Dust trails that did not taper off as the panels fell.

Quote:

Stand a large piece of flat cardboard on end and hold it upright. Blow some baby powder on the right side of that cardboard panel and push the top part of the cardboard to the left while the cloud of baby powder is in the air. What happens? Does the powder get "sucked" in the direction the board fell?


OK. Now re-try this experiment about 80 stories above the ground. Does the trail of baby powder follow the cardboard all the way to the ground? Does the trail die out part-way down or does it billow at the same intensity / density all the way to the ground?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:
Total pulverization huh?



If that is true, please tell me how the PAPER in that photo survived and yet concrete did not.

Let me guess. Planted evidence right?

Eyes roll


Uh, what is your point?

Are you being held prisoner? Is someone coercing you to argue these points against your will and are you using this photo as a subtle signal of your resistance?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rustyh wrote:
Very Happy
Spot on krammer.
110 stories have collapsed and it has dust on it!
No severe dents or scratches, and even the windscreen isnt broke.
Seems weird unless someone has a logical reason for this.


The logic is quite clear.

911 was a day of extreme coincidences. The one day that all of the long-shots paid off. The day that the 0.00000000001 probable events just happened to have happened.

What we see in the photo is clearly not an ambulance.

It is a pile of debris that just happened to fall and coagulate in such a way as to reflect incident light back to the camera that made it appear to be an ambulance. If the photographer had been standing one foot to the right or to the left, the apparition would have been ruined and we would have seen this pile of debris only as a pile of debris that it really was.

In fact, this particular pile of debris - coincidentally - happened to contain the super-highly compressed contents of all of the insides of the tower. And this is why nothing of substance can be seen anywhere else in this photo.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamolon wrote:
Total pulverization huh?



If that is true, please tell me how the PAPER in that photo survived and yet concrete did not.

Let me guess. Planted evidence right?

Eyes roll


A quick inventory follows. Show me evidence of, say 25%-50% of these items:


- porcelain toilets, sinks, urinals
- boardroom tables, boardroom chairs
- office chairs, desks
- computer CRT monitors (circa 2001), computer towers, computer keyboards, computer mice
- keyboard cables, printer cables, usb cables
- laptops
- filing cabinets, filed paper, file hangers, file folders
- checkbooks, authorization stamps
- business cards
- telephones, pbx's
- cabling
- elevators, elevator cables, elevator counter-weights
- HVAC equipment
- blotters, in/out trays, daytimers
- leather briefcases, synthetic briefcases
- copiers, printers, fax machines, scanners, toner cartridges, inkjet cartridges, printer stands
- storeroom supplies - pads of paper, pens, pencils, erasers, whiteout, staples, paper clips, 3-ring binders, post-it notes, letter openers, sheafs of paper, boxes of sheafs of paper
- staplers, 3-hole punches, cirlox machines, tape dispensers
- carpets, flooring, ceiling tiles, hanging ceiling supports
- wastebaskets
- light switches, thermostats
- hardcover books, paperback books, magazines, shelving
- cd's, tapes, backup tapes, disk units
- doors, doorknobs, coded entry systems, card swipe systems
- calendars, framed photos, framed art, sculptures
- window blinds
- light fixtures, lamps
- cleaning room supplies - mops, brooms, vacuum cleaners, carpet cleaners, floor polishers, pails, sponges, towels, soap, toilet plungers, tools
- batteries
- calculators
- fridges, microwaves
- power bars
- receptionists' desks
- window glass
- cubicle walls, cubicle desks, cubicle shelving
- stairs, walls, firedoors, exit signs, handrails, screws
- asbestos insulation
- clothing, belts, shoes, hats, watches, jewelry
- pots, plants, soil
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carcdr wrote:
Gamolon wrote:
Total pulverization huh?



If that is true, please tell me how the PAPER in that photo survived and yet concrete did not.

Let me guess. Planted evidence right?

Eyes roll


A quick inventory follows. Show me evidence of, say 25%-50% of these items:


- porcelain toilets, sinks, urinals
- boardroom tables, boardroom chairs
- office chairs, desks
- computer CRT monitors (circa 2001), computer towers, computer keyboards, computer mice
- keyboard cables, printer cables, usb cables
- laptops
- filing cabinets, filed paper, file hangers, file folders
- checkbooks, authorization stamps
- business cards
- telephones, pbx's
- cabling
- elevators, elevator cables, elevator counter-weights
- HVAC equipment
- blotters, in/out trays, daytimers
- leather briefcases, synthetic briefcases
- copiers, printers, fax machines, scanners, toner cartridges, inkjet cartridges, printer stands
- storeroom supplies - pads of paper, pens, pencils, erasers, whiteout, staples, paper clips, 3-ring binders, post-it notes, letter openers, sheafs of paper, boxes of sheafs of paper
- staplers, 3-hole punches, cirlox machines, tape dispensers
- carpets, flooring, ceiling tiles, hanging ceiling supports
- wastebaskets
- light switches, thermostats
- hardcover books, paperback books, magazines, shelving
- cd's, tapes, backup tapes, disk units
- doors, doorknobs, coded entry systems, card swipe systems
- calendars, framed photos, framed art, sculptures
- window blinds
- light fixtures, lamps
- cleaning room supplies - mops, brooms, vacuum cleaners, carpet cleaners, floor polishers, pails, sponges, towels, soap, toilet plungers, tools
- batteries
- calculators
- fridges, microwaves
- power bars
- receptionists' desks
- window glass
- cubicle walls, cubicle desks, cubicle shelving
- stairs, walls, firedoors, exit signs, handrails, screws
- asbestos insulation
- clothing, belts, shoes, hats, watches, jewelry
- pots, plants, soil


OMG! gamy will try anything to obsufucate. Here, gamer, go argue with this guy.

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/Engine-7.htm

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Info specific to WTC 1 via the documentary, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers". WTC 2 had differences in its concrete core.
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