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Hombre
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 Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Chris Bollyn |
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I'm curious about Bollyn and whether anyone here has an opinion about him. He seems to be pretty sure the Jews were involved and even walked blindly, or not so blindly, into a CNN Interview where he was pretty much chopped up for making this claim. They obviously played the race card.
Is it possible that that was all for show, some twisted sort of dog and pony show, or is this guy for real? Any thoughts?
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PatrickSMcNally
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Bollyn has a way of mixing together some intelligent points sliced and diced together with bits of BS sprinkled all around. This link discusses one error popularized by Bollyn:
http://911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html
I don't know if that necessarily means that he's anyone's agent. Maybe just ideologically confused, which is true of most people. But the last example is a good illustration of why it's a wise idea to crosscheck things carefully before depending too much on Bollyn's word. |
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Hombre
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I've little time to dig like I used to but this is an issue for me from a credibility standpoint all the way around. Cat fights over such an important issue paint a very ugly picture indeed. Sad.
Thanks for the link.
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Hugh Manatee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: Fake anti-semitic "dangles" |
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Bollyn works for a special kind of "dangle" disinfo site called AmericanFreePress.net.
http://americanfreepress.net/
What spooks do is maintain FAKE anti-semitic sites that carry subversive/conspiracy info which activists and -truthers want to spread.
But the trick is that the naive don't notice that the fake anti-semitic sites happen to link to horrible racist Holocaust-denial sites like the Barnes Review.
So they take the offered info bait and thereby discredit both themselves and the information once it is noted that the source site has anti-semitic links.
Examples-
>AmericanFreePress.net (Christopher Bollyn)
>ArcticBeacon.net (Greg Szymanski used to front this with 9/11 info, now calls himself "Greg Anthony Szymanski, JD" and has put a religious tone to the site)
>Rense.com (Jeff Rense, one of the oldest of these dangles online)
>TruthSeeker.co.uk (probably an MI5 site)
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PatrickSMcNally
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Fake anti-semitic "dangles" |
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| Hugh Manatee wrote: | | horrible racist Holocaust-denial sites like the Barnes Review. |
The Barnes Review is an eccentric site which can mix facts and fiction on occasion, but calling into doubt the myths of multiple thousands of bodies being allegedly incinerated on a daily basis at Auschwitz is one of their more creditable features. Germar Rudolf ran a more academically oriented revisionist site before he was kidnapped. It's still worth going back over the older items, such as this discussion of the water levels around Auschwitz and the implications which that would have for alleged mass-cremations in pits.
http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/GaertnerRademacher3-12.html
http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/Mattogno13-16.html
Open Air Incinerations in Auschwitz: Rumor or Reality?
Two Studies on the Ground Water Level in Auschwitz and its Consequences in History
Many former inmates as well as guards of the former National Socialist concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau claim that hundred thousands of corpses of murdered inmates were burned in ditches some 6 to 10 ft. deep. However, almost every book about Auschwitz points out that the entire grounds in and around the camp were swampy in those days. Since the 1970s, Holocaust revisionists have therefore claimed that the incineration of corpses in deep ditches would have been impossible due to the high ground water table in this swampy area, which would have quickly filled any deep ditch. After this argument spread widely with the so-called Leuchter Report in 1988,[1] it was argued that the ground water level during the operation of the camp was significantly lowered with the help of a sophisticated system of drainage ditches, thus allowing the open air incineration of corpses in deep ditches as attested to by various witnesses.[2] In May 2002, the controversy around Auschwitz focused even more on these open air incinerations, since a German mainstream journalist argued that most of the victims of the claimed mass murders of Auschwitz were supposedly disposed of using these open air incineration ditches.[3] Until recently, the effects of the ground water, and the questions arising from this matter, have not been investigated. Due to the availability of much-improved source materials after the end of the Cold War, this matter can now be investigated. The following two studies have thoroughly examined the existing primary documentary sources dealing with the ground water table in Auschwitz during World War II. As a result, the correctness of eyewitness accounts claiming incinerations in deep ditches must be called into question. The documents do not allow for any different interpretation: in the Birkenau area, the ground water table was about 0.30 to 1.20 m beneath the surface. |
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Stateless
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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FWIW...
I had strong sympathies for writer Christopher Bollyn and his wife Helga, especially upon hearing that he had been tasered by "secret police" types...
However, nowadays my view is is that the couple is some sort of disinfo ops.
From what I have heard on RBN especially, I view AFP as a CREDIBLE anti-globalist news source.
Finally... Sorry...but I don't buy the six million dead Holocaust Jews "spiel"!... Perhaps several thousands or even hundreds of thousands (at a big stretch)--along with a lot of other thousands of concentration camp unfortunates. Possibly include Allied "carpet-bombing" as a direct and indirect causes for concentration camp deaths.
S.
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Stateless
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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The forum software indicates I can't edit mistakes--so please note that I wanted to correct Bollyn's wife name to "Helia".
I might as well add that AFP writers Mark Glenn, and Micheal Collins Piper (also RBN show hosts) have impressed me with their commentary and political insights on Globalism and world Zionism.
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