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PerpetualYnquisitive
Joined: 11 Mar 2007
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Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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 Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Grumpy wrote: | What would you know about how big the cloud would be??? 2200 feet doesn't strike me as out of the realm of possibilities. The aircraft obviously struck the ground at or near supersonic speed, and the fuel(100,000 lbs of it) burned mostly within the first couple of seconds, the energy of the impact vaporized most of it instantly.
So,Scientific??? NO. Stupid, certainly.
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ROFLMAO, and you claim to be a 'physics teacher'. Almost too funny for words.
I'm calling you out on your absolutely FALSE claim that "the fuel(100,000 lbs of it) burned mostly within the first couple of seconds" line of b.s.
As any 'physics teacher' knows, liquids don't actually burn, the vapour around the liquid is what actually burns.
Please post the formula that shows this dispersion of the 100,000 lbs of fuel that allowed it to be "burned mostly within the first couple of seconds".
Fuel Injectors and Carburetors
Fuel injectors are designed to accurately meter fuel to the engine and to deliver it in a precise pattern of fine droplets. Because the fuel passages are small, injectors are highly sensitive to small amounts of deposits in the critical regions where the fuel is metered and atomized. These deposits can reduce fuel flow and alter the spray pattern, degrading drivability, decreasing power and fuel economy, and increasing exhaust emissions. Deposits cause similar problems for carbureted engines because carburetors also use a number of small channels and orifices to meter fuel.
Volatility, or the fuel's tendency to vaporize, is the key gasoline characteristic for good vehicle drivability. Drivability describes how your vehicle starts, warms up, runs and performs to your expectations. When the spray pattern of your fuel from the fuel injector is disrupted, the vaporization of the fuel can be negatively affected. That can seriously impact your car's drivability because only fuel vapor actually burns; solids and liquids don't burn at all.
http://www.texaco.com/yourcar/techronadvantage_deposits.asp
P.S. You can't have a plane's fuel tanks 'burrow' into the ground and be completely encapsulated by dirt in a fraction of second and have a wide, aerosol dispersion above the ground at the same time. The two events are mutually exclusive of each other, though the power to hold two completely contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accept both of them, such as you do, is a well known trait of 'party members'.
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Grumpy
Joined: 05 Sep 2007
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Location: NC USA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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PerpetualYnquisitive
| Quote: | | ROFLMAO, and you claim to be a 'physics teacher' |
Actually, the title is either "Doctor" or Professor". 30+ years of teaching physics.
| Quote: | I'm calling you out on your absolutely FALSE claim that "the fuel(100,000 lbs of it) burned mostly within the first couple of seconds" line of b.s.
As any 'physics teacher' knows, liquids don't actually burn, the vapour around the liquid is what actually burns. |
And if you slam a planeful of fuel into the ground at or above the speed of sound, the fuel will be vaporized on impact.
| Quote: | Fuel Injectors and Carburetors
Fuel injectors are designed to accurately meter fuel to the engine and to deliver it in a precise pattern of fine droplets. Because the fuel passages are small, injectors are highly sensitive to small amounts of deposits in the critical regions where the fuel is metered and atomized. These deposits can reduce fuel flow and alter the spray pattern, degrading drivability, decreasing power and fuel economy, and increasing exhaust emissions. Deposits cause similar problems for carbureted engines because carburetors also use a number of small channels and orifices to meter fuel.
Volatility, or the fuel's tendency to vaporize, is the key gasoline characteristic for good vehicle drivability. Drivability describes how your vehicle starts, warms up, runs and performs to your expectations. When the spray pattern of your fuel from the fuel injector is disrupted, the vaporization of the fuel can be negatively affected. That can seriously impact your car's drivability because only fuel vapor actually burns; solids and liquids don't burn at all.
http://www.texaco.com/yourcar/techronadvantage_deposits.asp |
And how is it that an injector vaporizes fuel???
High pressure and high speed nozzles.
| Quote: | | You can't have a plane's fuel tanks 'burrow' into the ground and be completely encapsulated by dirt in a fraction of second and have a wide, aerosol dispersion above the ground at the same time. |
BULLSHIT. At the moment of impact nearly all of the kenetic energy is transferred to the fuel, and, like hitting a fuel filled balloon with a bullet, it instantly vaporizes the majority of the fuel, forming a huge fireball.
| Quote: | | The two events are mutually exclusive of each other, though the power to hold two completely contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accept both of them, such as you do, is a well known trait of 'party members'. |
And a complete lack of understanding of basic physics is an all too often seen sign of idiocy on this forum.
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RockDock
Joined: 07 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Too bad I didn't see the Grumpster spewing on this thread earlier.
It is funny that in this case the fuel vaporized in seconds, but at the WTC the fuel did not vapourize at all and in fact had time to soak into the carpets and run down the elevator shafts.
The "Professor" sure could spew the BS, depending on the thread.
Nice to see him out of here. See ya around Grumpy! |
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Lord Carpainter
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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He's probably going to hop down to JREF or PWOT, complaining about being banned from a 'twoofer forum', leaving out the 'him being a troll part'. Returning to serious discussion about Flight 93, it is clear as day that no plane crashed in Shanksville. It was not shot down. It did not crash. It landed.
We've seen the obviously planted wreckage go down in flames. From the black boxes to the wreckage photos released 4 years later. It was all planted. Plane wreckage was planted at the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and Shanksville. Yet no traceable parts. Planting plane wreckage was detailed in the NorthWoods Documents, guys.
| Quote: | THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
13 March 1962
JUSTIFICATION FOR US MILITARY INTERVENTION IN CUBA
7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba.
c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc. |
The grass and forest were unburnt on the day of 9/11. (The burn damage to the forest was shown AFTER 9/11, but we had seen photos of undamaged trees on the day. The fires in the forest had to have been started by the perps AFTER 9/11.) But wasn't there 5,500 gallons of jet fuel? So if it didn't burn the grass or forest, where did it go? An eyewitness on the scene said that it didn't smell like jet fuel. Just scorched earth. It wasn't on the ground either. So did it go underground? The EPA says the soil was not contaminated. There was no jet fuel.
And where was the identifiable wreckage? The only identifiable pieces we saw were in photos released 4 years after 9/11. The four-windowed fuselage piece and the colored fuselage piece. Is it just a coincidence that there was another United Airlines four-windowed fuselage piece at the World Trade Center? Why did this fuselage piece take seemingly no fire damage? Why is the fuselage piece completely undamaged as well?
There was no credible identifiable wreckage and no jet fuel. |
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