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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Why I Think Sibel is Dirty Reply with quote

Some people have wondered why I have
a downer on Sibel Edmonds.
So here's a compliation
that nails it good:


WHY I THINK SIBEL IS DIRTY
But Not In a Sexual Way.... My Bad!



Angst-Ridden Sibel!

From Sibel Edmonds we learn that the FBI was understaffed in translators,
penetrated by agents of foreign and private groups, and covering up links
between those who carried out the attacks and....

Quote:
....drug related activities combined with
money laundering and information laundering...
http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds-Story.htm


Her story was 'confirmed' by Mohamed Atta's girlfriend Amanda Keller,
whose conversations with Daniel Hopsicker led him to conclude:

Quote:
....that U.S. Defense spending has been a massive rip-off, that the FBI is
a clumsy bureaucracy, that our spies in the CIA were more interested in
counting the money in their Cayman Islands accounts than cultivating
human intelligence sources, and that skyscrapers in cities where
construction is Mafia-controlled are not 100% safe?

http://www.madcowprod.com/09062006.html
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6412004.html


And there you have it. The FBI were merely incompetent, the CIA too busy
counting drug loot, and the Twin Towers fell because the Mafia had presumably
sold off half the construction bolts as hot scrap metal.

It's LIHBI&DW not LIHOP.

Let it Happen by Incompetence and Drug War.

Corruption - not conspiracy, in other words.

Edmonds spins a crime/drugs angle to match Hopsicker's tale coming out
of Florida via Amanda Keller. Atta the Drug Runner! (Cue Smokescreen!)

Edmonds, Keller and Hopsicker have been ably assisted by:

Quote:
.....LT COL Karen Kwiatkowski, BG Generals Janis Karpinsky and Rick
Baccus, FBI Agents Kenneth Williams and Coleen Rowley, FBI linguist Sibel
Edmonds, former Secretary and Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul
ONeill and Paul Craig Roberts, Richard Clark, and many others that can be
added to this list...... In spite of their employment with the FBI, Agents
Williams, Rowley and translator Edmonds had lackluster jobs until thrust
into the limelight by the criminal machinations of the Bush war machine.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=13438


And Edmond's movie is a barrage of
intel/military ex or current honchos.


Sibel's movie also features Ex-Rand Corp., Nixon hit man: Dan Ellsberg.

And the dynamic CIA 'PlameGate' duo of Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame!!

All happy little CIA Agents. Ratting in a nest.

Quote:
Kill The Messenger - The Movie

Starring: Sibel Edmonds. ('Enemy of the State' Cliche)

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist, worked for 18 years in the FBIs Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist. One of his tasks at the FBI was to conduct risk assessment for FBI foreign born translators and analysts applicants before the bureau cleared them and granted them the required clearance to work for the bureau. Mr. Cole currently works as a senior counterintelligence analyst. Cole has first hand knowledge of Sibel's case (see VF)


David Rose (bio). David wrote the terrific article on Sibel for Vanity Fair. He is a key source for the movie because he is the only one who has spoken to people who know whats on the FBI tapes of Hastert being bribed - this is what Rose is referring to when he says: "The people that I've talked to about these tapes are extremely nervous"


Joseph Trento is one of the top most credible investigative journalist in the nuclear black-market and proliferation areas. He was top CNN reporter on nuclear issues, and now is the director of an NGO on Nuclear education. He has had several best sellers about the CIA. (bio)


Daniel Ellsberg is a former American military analyst employed by the RAND Corporation who precipitated a national uproar in 1971 when he released the Pentagon Papers, the US military's account of activities during the Vietnam War, to The New York Times. The release awakened the American people to how much they had been deceived by their own government about the war.
(wikipedia)


Bogdan Dzakovic: He is the top expert on FAA/TSA security. His job as leader of the Federal Aviation Adminstrations Red Team was to penetrate airport security in simulated hijackings. His team succeeded 90% of the time- But his teams reports were ignored and suppressed. Just after 9/11, the Red Team was shut down. (bio)


Steve Elson: he has twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare. He has nine years Federal Service with DEA/FAA, and one year with Local Law Enforcement in Undercover Narcotics. Mr. Elson specializes in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security, both nationally and internationally, enhanced by a wide range of training and advanced studies in diverse topics relating to security, leadership, and intelligence. He holds a Masters Degree in National Security Affairs/Naval Intelligence with a focus on Terrorism. (bio)


Ambassador Joseph Wilson. Husband of Valerie Plame.
(wikipedia)

http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/kill-messenger-trailer.html

and of course, the star of the show - Ms Sibel Edmonds.

This is cliche "Enemy of the State" Hollywood BullShit.

Is anybody dumb enough to buy this??



View Trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=10Jn4vTGb_8

Kill The Messenger
http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/kill-messenger-trailer.html

Kill The Messenger Blog
http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/ktm-first-scalp.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2223837&mesg_id=2223837


The Valerie Plame connections come up again is this
tangled cast of characters who seem to be all over
so many "important" stories!


Quote:
The Rat's Nest of 9/11: Part 2
'Scooter,' Reggie & the Birds of a Feather


Extract:
Sibel would love to spill the beans on Mohammed Atta. Really, she would!
But unfortunately she can't. Go figure. Here's her lawyer Mark Zaid,
commenting on the gag order Walton imposed on Edmonds:

Quote:
FBI Whistleblower Edmonds Files New Lawsuit - March 17, 2005
"The FBI has done nothing but cover up its own incompetence and wrongdoing throughout its efforts to unconscionably
and unlawfully silence Ms. Edmonds through excessive secrecy," said Mark S. Zaid.
http://www.antiwar.com/edmonds/?articleid=5233

Zaid is getting good at those kind of comments. He gets practice, you see.

Because the exact same MO applies in another high-profile case he is handling.

Here's Zaid again:

Quote:
National Security Watch: Disquieted whistle-blowers
By Kevin Whitelaw 10/11/05

One of the biggest names of the conference never even uttered a word. Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer is the military intelligence operative who recently went public with a controversial claim that a year before September 11, his top-secret task force "Able Danger" was able to identify the man who later turned out to be the lead hijacker as being connected to al Qaeda.

"Tony is not allowed to talk," Zaid said. "He is effectively gagged from talking. He is gagged from talking to Congress."
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/051011/11natsec.htm

Like Sibel, Tony Schaffer would love to spill the beans on Mohammed Atta.
Really, he would! But unfortunately he can't. Go figure.

How many more want to tell us all about Atta, but are gagged?

And will Mark Zaid represent then all? Maybe his yellow pages
advertizing should read "Atta Gag Orders a Speciaity."

Maybe that should read "Atta Gag Orders an Assignment."


...AND IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK....

Let's step back and take another look at the way a far too cosy crew keep
popping up in these related issues.

1993 WTC Bombing
Partick Fitzgerald prosecuting Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman.

Neocon Black
Partick Fitzgerald prosecuting Conrad Black.

Neocon Libby
Partick Fitzgerald prosecuting 'Scooter' Libby.
Reggie Walton as presiding judge.

9/11 Anthrax
Reggie Walton as Hatfill case presiding judge.

9/11 Mohammed Atta / FBI
Mark Zaid representing Sibel Edmonds.
Reggie Walton as presiding judge.

9/11 Mohammed Atta / Pentagon
Mark Zaid representing Tony Shaffer.

Now, let me put it to you that all these are either sensitive cases the
government wants handled the right way, or intelligence operations the
Agency wants handled the right way -or the intersection of the two.

Let me put it to you that the people involved in the intelligence operations
are run/employed by the CIA. A cozy crew, who can run a tight ship.

Let me put it to you that if PlameGate is a contrived scandal, then Valerie
Plame is not the only CIA agent involved. Outsiders do NOT get to play a
part in such high-level Ops. Who knows what a real journalist might do.
Or a real prosecutor or judge, for that matter. PlameGate is stacked with
players who each know exactly what to do, and when.

Let me put it to you that top-quality agents with good street/media cred
don't grow on trees. And so, for key moves you reuse the same personnel
and simply rely on the Fake alternative media to fail to draw attention to
the fact the same players keep coming up.

Like birds of a feather, they stick together.

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=454#454


After connecting them Dots, let's get back to the Hopsicker/Keller dots
which mirror Sibel's drug tales. I cover this and more dots in the audio.


Quote:


05 Dec 2006

10 minutes and 45 seconds into audio:

DSL Mp3 Audio
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel061205a.mp3

Dialup Mp3 Audio
http://www.breakfornews.com/audio/NextLevel061205.mp3

- Amanda Keller admits she's NOT Atta's girlfriend

Quote:
References & Links

Quote:


Amanda Keller Changes Story

In 2002, Keller granted an interview with Daniel Hopsicker, a Venice self-published writer who maintains the government has covered up facts about 9/11.

In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after.

"It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

Keller, 24, is engaged and is studying to become a nurse. She moved to Ohio in early 2002 and said she hoped that by getting married and changing her name, she could finally leave the rumors behind.

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=978


Quote:



Daniel Hopsicker on Wing TV

WATCH Realplayer
http://www.breakfornews.com/offsitearchive/082404.ram

Check before and after 12mins 17 seconds into video.


Quote:


MIKE RUPPERT IN CANADA
RECOVERING - LEGAL NOTICE

"I want to repeat something I have been saying in private emails over the last month. Personally, I am through forever with investigative journalism and public lecturing. I am leaving public life. It is my hope that by continuing to repeat this sincere position that many of the inexplicable difficulties which have dominated my life over the past months will ease...."

"This is not the end but a new beginning."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120206_mike_canada.shtml

Mike Ruppert Leaves America FOREVER!
My former Boss, Mike Ruppert, who use to run Fromthewilderness.com (FTW), has left America forever, never to return again. After the FTW offices were burglarized, and 7 of our computers were smashed to pieces, Mike felt a clear message was being sent to him.

Next time were going to kill you.
http://mkane.gnn.tv/blogs/17744/Mike_Ruppert_Leaves_America_FOREVER

THE DAY MIKE RUPPERT LEFT AMERICA
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/091806_more_news_summary.shtml

TONS OF COCAINE: CARACAS TO WASHINGTON
By Peter Dale Scott, PhD
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/092206_caracas_washington_summary.shtml


Quote:
Sibel: The Movie

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=345



Quote:
'Scooter,' Reggie & the Birds of a Feather

http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=454&highlight=#454



Quote:
The Great Dictator Unmasks

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9905#9905





.... The Trance is Over.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks FD, for the remedial layout on the lovely (and talented) Ms. Edmunds.

Always nice to see the op flowcharts. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't "get" the "crickets". Is this meant as a challenge to your critics and doubters? Why people have not responded to this? A specific attack? It's not been up that long.

I generally think you're on the money here, Fintan.

Sibel did directly name House Speaker Dennis Hastert, as taking bribes to cover up backrooms weapons deals, but I have to agree her story is LIHOP or something like that. "Kill the Messenger" is as ridiculous as "24" or "CSI", or as you said, "Enemy of the State".

Dan Hopsicker's apologetics for incompetence and corruption are definitely on the money. I still have the Hopsicker Meltdown talk with the WING TV numbnuts.
For anyone who's not seen it:
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Hopsicker_goes_apeshit_on_WINGTV_082404.avi

There's also audio of Hopsicker trashing MIHOP people on Dave Emory's shows. Hopsicker's conclusion is that The Saudis are responsible, that Bin Laden is responsible, that concurs with Michael Moore and Richard Perle on the need to attack Saudi Arabia now.

I thought this was a reckless exaggeration/mistake at first, on Hopsicker's part, I even tried to email him. The legitimate evidence he uncovered (excepting Amanda Keller, but including interviews with Floridians and some mainstream news articles about the "hijackers" at US bases) pointed to MIHOP, not whatever bullshit he's dishing out.

Hopsicker gains credibility with his facts, then trashes his own facts with his conclusions. This was the first time I saw that happen, saw an author trash his own facts with illogical conclusions. I've other examples since then.

I don't see the direct connection between Sibel and Amanda Keller, other than a perhaps similar story, but she's definitely sticking with a LIHOP formula. I have to agree with "birds of a feather", but I don't automatically reject anyone with past US military or intelligence credentials. It would have to depend on (a) if they're credible (b) whether they go off on some smelly tangent.

For some people -- like one of the widows on 9-11 Press for Truth -- LIHOP is a "polite" version of conspiracy. It's a matter of "this all we've uncovered so far", coverup, corruption, maybe complicity, etc. One of the Widows said: "It's a massive coverup ... or maybe worse." That one line "maybe worse" was dropped in there at the end. (It could have been "maybe more".) I can see why someone in the spotlight like that might take a genteel approach --- either for politeness and credibility, or out of gullibility and lack of knowledge. I wish I knew how to reach some of the Widows directly.

As for my approach, and our approach for the most part, I come from a larger understanding about past US covert operations and ruthlessness, the stuff Alex Jones talked about in Terrorstorm and some of his other movies, but without the bombastic right wing corporate paleo-conservative religious anti-Illuminati overlay. My conclusions are informed by past and present goals, statements, and actions of the US and the Western capitalist powers in general.

YES, the US has bombed, tortured, killed many innocent people in the past. In some cases, targeted "enemies" like in Lebanon and helping the Muj do car bombs and camel bombs in Afghanistan. In other cases, like Operation Gladio, the CIA/NATO/Blackshirts targeted random innocent travellers and supermarket shoppers, to evoke an air of terrorism, threat, and the need for security, i.e. a right wing pro-corporate, pro-military, pro-West electoral victory. That's the playbook. THAT'S POLICY AND STRATEGY.

If they would do that to innocent Europeans --- to create suspicion and blame against "the radical Left" --- they would certainly do that to innocent Americans as well --- equally to sideline "the Left", i.e. people who believe in peace, rationality, fairness, negotiations, and not fucking over entire populations for armed robbery. (PNAC and Grand Chessboard cite "the American public" as an obstacle, if not an enemy. It's not that much of a secret.)

That known facts about Gladio -- from Ganser and confirmed by now-dead CIA Dir Colby -- have NEVER been raised in the MSM in conjunction with Sept 11, says a lot, everything really. Even just as a question, it's a sensible, rational point about US policy, one which hardly anyone knows. That even Alex Jones does not stress this ONE point, instead mixing it up with a zillion others, from Larry Silverstein to WTC7 and more, says a lot too. The most recent example I heard was listening to Jones destroy his own credibility, talking with Alan Colmes. He couldn't talk slow enough for the average person to catch up, instead his million MPH motormouth shit, shifting paradigms, etc. He's certainly smarter and more media-savvy than that. If I know that, he does.

That most of 9-11 Truth bickers about any "bait" put out there, without emphasizing any ONE coherent point, is political suicide for them. The Buildings anomalies are interesting, but all that does not explain MOTIVE, means and opportunity, nor past M.O., which are basics of any prosecution. Even on TV cop shows.

Many anti-Empire people like Bill Blum, who said he's friends with (male) Danielle Ganser, stick with the anti-Empire stuff and what is known about "blowback", preferring not to speculate on what Op Gladio (and Northwoods) means in terms of US policy.
http://www.danieleganser.ch/
http://www.danieleganser.ch/e/radio/index.htm
http://www.danieleganser.ch/radio/mp3/State_sponsored_terrorism.mp3
(mostly German, this one English)

(Blum made one good point: Someone -- Osama Bin Laden -- publicly praised his book, Rogue State. Maybe it was really OBL. He asked "Why would the CIA put my book in the spotlight on National TV when it had been buried in obscurity for years, when my book does nothing but attack the CIA for mass murder?")

Sibel COULD be being "polite" in a similar manner, but a serious political analysis leads to MIHOP, not LIHOP, not drug deals --- though all of it plays a factor. Heroin sales were used to fund Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, etc. But that's not all there is to geo-strategy.

I also pushed my argument that with Sept 11 being stated as vitally important to US policy goals --- before the fact --- it would be idiotic to trust such a vital operation to "Arab terrorists", or to mere chance.

LIHOP requires a lot of gullibility and it requires ignoring a lot of known facts.

I have to place Sibel Edmonds in that same category.

one more: (talks about LIHOP, MIHOP)
September? Medium: All for Peace Radio Jerusalem
Journalist: Shireen Yassin
Date: 11.09.2006
Language: Arabian and English
Country: Israel
Length of Time: 10 Minutes
http://www.danieleganser.ch/radio/mp3/Dr.Daniele110906.mp3
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't "get" the "crickets". Is this meant as a challenge to your critics and doubters? Why people have not responded to this? A specific attack? It's not been up that long

It was continued from another thread. From there, the frequency of postings dropped to zilch when FD's outline posted up.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilbert_g wrote:
I don't "get" the "crickets". Is this meant as a challenge to your critics and doubters? Why people have not responded to this? A specific attack? It's not been up that long.


yes.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was continued from another thread. From there, the frequency of postings dropped to zilch when FD's outline posted up.


Exactly Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kathy wrote:
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It was continued from another thread. From there, the frequency of postings dropped to zilch when FD's outline posted up.


Exactly Wink


OK, a guy can't get too busy with his "real" life to follow all the links that were posted, then digest them and then post without crickets showing up? Sheesh. I still haven't followed even half the threads that FD posted and I am still not sure how my paradigm is shifting, so rather than make a mug of myself, I am waiting to reply.

You might have to wait a month, hopefully not. Pretty busy here though so...

I appreciate the insights from FD, and R4S and Dilbert_g. Thanks as always to the more prolific posters here.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockDock wrote:
OK, a guy can't get too busy with his "real" life to follow all the links that were posted, then digest them and then post without crickets showing up? Sheesh. I still haven't followed even half the threads that FD posted and I am still not sure how my paradigm is shifting, so rather than make a mug of myself, I am waiting to reply.

Laughing No one's chastising anyone for not posting quickly enough.

But I did notice that the "so what the hell is wrong with Sybel, Fintan?" posts went up a HELL of a lot quicker than any replies to his (repeated) analysis.

I believe the gist of this is that he is quite correct, and that associations drawn are quite indicative of one's intel entanglements. Simply her connection Mark Zaid was enough for me early on - the dedicated "incompetent" barrister who can't quite get the hang of how to keep his clients from an endless string of gag orders. Even though he is quite superbly proficient at appearing unable to fight them, whilst not arousing the slightest suspicions regarding his true allegiances.

Nuff said, the point's been made. I would also suggest some of us take away from it the possibility that maybe, just maybe... FD's also done his homework surrounding the other Fakes he's labeled, for which some seem to demand notarized hard copies in triplicate. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:


But I did notice that the "so what the hell is wrong with Sybel, Fintan?" posts went up a HELL of a lot quicker than any replies to his (repeated) analysis.


I had actually replied to the other thread on Thursday http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=42756#42756

Since then my life has been hectic. However what I have read of the links FD provided push me to agree with you about her "tainted-ness."

Rumpl4skn wrote:

I believe the gist of this is that he is quite correct, and that associations drawn are quite indicative of one's intel entanglements. Simply her connection Mark Zaid was enough for me early on -<snip>

Nuff said, the point's been made. I would also suggest some of us take away from it the possibility that maybe, just maybe... FD's also done his homework surrounding the other Fakes he's labeled, for which some seem to demand notarized hard copies in triplicate. Laughing


It would be nice for this psy-oped Canuck if there could be *one* fucking hero out there who can really take on the system and not get crushed in return, or turn out to be yet another disinfo agent in the pay or service of the mil-intell-corporate types.

It is enough to make me want to buy an abandoned mine up north, dewater the sucker and go and live in it. If you don't hear from me, I have done just that.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why run a sophisticated op and use the same players? If the op is designed as some sort of steam valve or beacon of hope then why on earth would they jeopardize it in such a blatant manner?

This also applies in relation to 'triple agent' Ali Mohamed. The same guy who trained the WTC '93 cell was also involved in the '98 embassy bombings plot.
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