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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi evelyn

As Fintan wrote above "Caution". Having watched The Jon Snow
Documentary first and then three of the "Dispatches" documentaries last
night from Ch4, including the one on "Who Controls Iraq Oil" I am of the
opinion that the Jon Snow ones are the best of a bad lot.

As for "The Betrayal" presented by Peter Oborne it was propaganda spin,
full of disinformation.

We are not endorsing everything Jon Snow does but "Hidden Iraq" is not
laced with hidden agendas like the Oborne drivel.

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As for who controls the oil in Iraq my opinion is one need look no
further than unapproachable secluded estates in places such as the
Netherlands, Belgium....


Absolutely Royal Dutch Shell.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Jon Snow Reply with quote

Anybody who says Haditha is an isolated incident either just doesn't get it or is willfully deceptive. How much of what happened in Vietnam is reenacted in Iraq? Or go back a little farther, when Americans invaded the Philippines in the Spanish-American War? What about all the Indian Wars? When people are out to take new territory, one of the first things the young recruits are taught is to despise the enemy. If those exortations do not take, then a few incidents of a friend being blown up will do it.

Iraq might have been a tough sell for Americans, most of whom had a cartoon-like notion of Arabs, and no personal dog in the fight in the Middle East. Even when some tried to spin the Oklahoma City bombing as Arab terrorism, the first such breach of the country, it just didn't take off. It really took the spectacle of 9/11, even though it could not at first be linked to Saddam, in spite of the White House's attempt to strong-arm the intelligence community into saying it was.

But the young recruits could be brought in to fight Saddam "there" so we didn't have to fight him "here". All that follows comes from that act of the will by the White House. They never hesitate on their visits to the troops in Iraq to tie Saddam to 9/11, lying through their teeth. Thus, even though Saddam has now paid for their former support with his death, he can still be used to explain things. The "liberation" of Iraq, not going so well, may be a bloody mess, but there is one special reason why that is a plus and a mission accomplished, in my opinion.

I grew up in a time and place in which there were productive oil wells supplying Californians and the rest of the nation with cheap fuel. Why go half-way around the world for oil? Why depend on it as Europeans always have, as the Brits did? Because it ran out here. Oil is a finite resource. It was tapped out in the US, it will be tapped out everyone it is drilled. But right now, there is still enough of it some places to tempt those who want more of it.

Imagine a juicy pie, lightly covered in crumbs and sugar and you understand why in the run-up to the war, there was talk of the "oil pie", lightly covered in soft sand. No need for North Atlantic drill platforms. No need for two mile-deep wells in the Caribbean. Just all that oil there for the taking, with a few good men. Is this inconsistent with the mercantilist past of the West? No, it is all of a piece, damn the idealism.

While people sit on top of the oil, they will be killed for it. Those directly involved in the struggle on the ground, contending over Sunni vs. Shi'ia, will probably never reap the benefits. They will go to those who started the fight.

Some say, and not without evidence, that the spark was lit by these same reapers. I am of that opinion, because it is the thing which, as the picture resolves, as the illusions fade, makes the most sense. It is all in character: what they do, not what they say. The boys who did Haditha are bad. The people who sent them there are far worse. The fools who believe and sanction them are the worst of all.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I do not think Haditha is an "isolated" incident, neither do I think it is a common occurence. Such acts occur in all wars. Grandpa and great grandpa committed the same crimes in WWII, Korea, etc. That's war. I support ending war now.

But what I find just as offensive are the fools who rail about war while supporting the same shit under the guise of "peacekeeping" or "aid" or charity. A good deal of Africa, the Caribbean, Asia, and Latin America has been and continues to be murdered and raped, literally or metaphorically speaking, by Anglo do-gooders - progressives they like to call themselves.

Anglo do-gooders who give just enough "aid" to keep populations dumb and dependent and in poverty. They "give" seed so natives can grow food for gringos rather than their own staple food supplies. Do-gooders donate lentils to Ethiopia even though local farmers grow lentils - geeze what does that do to the local bean price?

American do-gooders give the programs warm fuzzy names like "Food for Peace." More aptly would be food for chattel. Such giveaway programs keep food prices up at home, fill corporate coffers, props Wall Street, and more often than not destroys the recipient's economy. Anglo Do-gooders send shoes to Haitians but will never stop the plantation system which keeps them barefoot. And lordy lordy do-gooders sometimes even adopt (buy) our non-white babies.

So while I detest war, I detest even more the "left" who walk dressed in the mantle of peace and prosperity when it's a guise just as ugly, deadly, and perverse as war - it's just more tortuous, taking longer to destroy the recipients.

Even at home - the social welfare system thanks to progressive do-gooders - has been the number 1 weapon against Black America. We were better off in many ways before do-gooders handed out vouchers and checks and defended it under the feel-good meme of "aid to dependent children."

Do-gooders war with a bag of rice and a foundation grant to keep their victims alive a few years - the other team uses ammo. The results are the same. Devastation and death.

I piss on both sides of the aisle, and in the center.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I've heard neocons state with firm conviction that the US govt never said that Saddam or Iraq was linked to 9-11. Never. His guest said "Are you kidding me?"

Someone sent me this:
Jim Bohannan Show: 9/11 TRUTH Issues EXPLODE onto CBS National Radio

9/11 TRUTH Issues EXPLODE onto CBS National Radio Yesterday !!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_bill_dou_080306_9_2f11_truth_issues_ex.htm
Bohannan is a right wing pro-military radio voice, who's audience has probably NEVER been exposed to 9/11 truth issues. "The Shell Game" author, Steve Alten, came on after an Oil Executive's interview, at about 39:50 in the 1.5 hour show. At about 54:56 it gets REALLY interesting when a caller calls in to discuss 9/11 as a false flag attack. Which unleashes Alten into a deep discussion of 9/11 truth issues.

All hell breaks loose in the next few minutes, as Alten enters the realms of 9/11 truth, explaining to the stunned Bohanan and and his virgin (9/11 truth issue) audience that there is a mass 9/11 truth movement in America that involves engineers, police, private investigators, and many other experts challenging the official 9/11 story.

story by: guy from Portage Peace in OHIO
By William E. Douglas, Jr., who is author of "The Amateur Parent A Book on Life, Death, War & Peace, and Everything Else in the Universe." Bill has been a guest columnist for the Kansas City Star, The Business Journal, and other media worldwide. His past essays include, "Exposing the 9/11 Conspiracy Wingnuts," "The Explosion of the 9-11 Truth Movement -- US Media's Dirty Little Secret," "Good Night, and Good Luck - WMD, NIST, Popular Mechanics, 9/11 and Media Crimes" and also "Why the Jewish Community Should Demand 9/11 Truth."


http://www.jimbohannonshow.com/pg/jsp/jimbo/jimboarchive.jsp?pid=30183

MP3 DOWNLOAD Steve Alten's talk starts about 35 minutes. Part 1 is a talk by a Royal Dutch Shell executive.

OR
http://www.Takeoverworld.info/mp3/bohanon_Alten_Shell_Game_911_20080305.mp3


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Yes, the "Progressive" side of the media can be counted on to act baffled and incredulous that "things went wrong" in Iraq, "best intentions" of course, wanted "democracy" to take root like a weed.

But they have to ignore that Cheney's top assistant (Wurmser) wrote a book predicting civil war and strife which would cause Iraq to be broken up, just like the "Clean Break" plans that Wurmser himself helped draft, along with Feith.

No "mistakes". Everything possible to foment civil war. NOT turning on the utilitities. NOT providing security for everyone. No jobs. Foreign workers. Nasty and brutal with civilians. etc. Like pretend the Pentagon didn't know what that leads to. Never thought it through. Never studied it. No War Colleges exist, or they're passing dopers.

No, they're passing ideological freaks.

All that and the STAGED BOMBINGS too.

But when a mainstream stale oatmeal Infotainment company comes out with THAT much realism, it's worth a few good hand claps. Not everyone is showing that kind of gore, scorched heads, severed legs, Shocked and Awed people, resolute rebels, etc.

I see it as a "signal" of how they prepare the public for policy changes, when this stuff is ALLOWED. As Fintan said, time for "peacekeeping" and some "words of comfort" along with "words of warning" from The Great Satan. Iraq Occupation, Act 2, after a costume change.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilbert_g wrote:

Jim Bohannan Show: 9/11 TRUTH Issues EXPLODE onto CBS National Radio

9/11 TRUTH Issues EXPLODE onto CBS National Radio Yesterday !!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_bill_dou_080306_9_2f11_truth_issues_ex.htm
Bohannan is a right wing pro-military radio voice, who's audience has probably NEVER been exposed to 9/11 truth issues.

I haven't heard Bohannon in many years, but I have to ask: when did he become a RIGHT-WING radio personality????

He was a regular sub for Larry King on his hyper-Liberal radio show in the 80's, and he certainly was no conservative.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post on that site cracked me up:

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Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths

Cripes... you need a fucking slide rule to figure out which side of the fence he's on.

How about Rebuttal of the Critiquing of the Debunking of the Theory of Non-Theoretical No-Plane Anti-Hologram Pro-CGI Denialism of Hypothetical Controlled Demolition Squib Myth Theories Finally Challenged by Concrete Core Non-Proof?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn wrote:
I haven't heard Bohannon in many years, but I have to ask: when did he become a RIGHT-WING radio personality????

He was a regular sub for Larry King on his hyper-Liberal radio show in the 80's, and he certainly was no conservative.

They clearly have him listed here

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I get it. He's clearly Right-wing NOW.

I'm just saying, I have taped Larry King shows (back when I actually invested in the system enough to care about Larry King shows) where Bohannon guest hosts, and he's slightly to the Left of.... a guy who's as much to the Left as Attila the Hun is to the Right (nice analogy).

Maybe he's just one of those ideological chameleons who goes where the work is, and shanges his opinions to fit the agenda (see: Dennis Miller).
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: "OBJETIVO IRAK" Reply with quote

The best Irak documentary I've seen so far is "Objetivo Irak" (2005) by Rashed Radwan, a young iraki origin Spanish director who shot its movie independently. I was very impressed by this film, at the time it was amazing to hear and see at last the people in the streets having their say, which wasn't being broadcasted anywhere else: the bewilderment of iraki people before what was happening, saying it was not irakis killing irakis, saying it was not a civil war.

Even though this documentary has been showed in small independent film festivals and cultural centres, it has not been widely circulated. I even talked to one of the producers expressing him my admiration for their work and telling him I thought it was extremely important that they reached as much public as possible. I tried hard to get/buy a copy but it seems they were going to air it in a small local tv station and couldn't proportionate copies due to rights. It's been 3 years since then and it remains in the underground circuit. It's a real shame because apparently it's not available anywhere and it seems impossible to download.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the movie you mean?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB Brooklyn is an alias for someone we know, I think. Possibly Nico Haupt, or someone related to him.
"lasers-brought-down-the-WTC-towers conspiracy" crowd

One site says "CB_Brooklyn aka Judy Wood", appears to be a debate btw those who say No-Plane (i.e. video fakery) vs. Laser weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CB_Brooklyn
CBB getting blocked from Wikipedia forums for telling other flamers to get mental help.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the movie you are mean?


Yes Kathy, that's the movie! I didn't know about this trailer. Seems it's all you can watch in the web of it...
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