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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let MasonicG psych you out. He did that to others here too.
That was his agenda.

I've certainly never implied your views arose from anything other than conviction.

And by the way, dissident simply changed his name in the last few hours
cos he was tired of the old one. That's all. I think SidVicious is better.

That's not the same as MasonicG / the_loast
- who had two forum Id's at the same time.

And... dissident was one of those targeted by MasonicG. So leave him out of it.

Dude, the net is riven with psych games.
We try to keep it in check here, while allowing free expression.
Tough to call.

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Paulo_Freire:
One problem I have with the fakes list is why is BradBlog on it?

Well, 'cos he launched the Clint Curtis fake!
Detailed in the article I wrote:

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But you can tell something is up. Within hours of Madsen and RAW STORY
releasing their congruent versions of the software-vote-fix saga, a
German Shepherd dog owned by Clint Curtis was found... dead. It's the
second dog of his to meet such a fate, BradBlog breathlessly informed
readers.

Clearly Karl Rove had the poor mutts iced. Ruthless, eh?
What do you mean tinfoil? Case proven.
http://breakfornews.com/articles/MadsenVoteFraudTaleSpin.htm


Yeah, there's a determined effort to try bring down the forum.

But hey.... is that news!? Laughing Laughing

There's been MANY efforts to try bring down the forum.
You have to admire their persistence.
And wonder why. Wink

Especially now.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Don't let MasonicG psych you out. He did that to others here too.
That was his agenda.

I've certainly never implied your views arose from anything other than conviction.


I have had tons of fakes all over me since my moderator wrote about someone named Ender making a very cointelpro-like post, Hal Turnerish. But I am curious if things can be spelt out simply, too, like SidVicious requested elsewhere. If one follows MasonicG's post, it seems that usernames were stolen. It would be nice to get to the bottom of things.

I could have sworn MasonicG is a poster at Jeff Wells' forum. I have very bad blood with that place, and I am simply too tired to go into details. But for him to feature myself is a big red flag. He said he'd come back with ideas about me? And then how many people are gonna even know what my story is? How much of my blogging history does he know about?

There is definitely a lot of in the trenches mind games going on at forums.
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And by the way, dissident simply changed his name in the last few hours
cos he was tired of the old one. That's all. I think SidVicious is better.


Unless I misread, Sid Viscious' username was stolen and warped just like what happened to me. MasonicG was also turned into a racist at that football forum? And Dilbert's name is over there too?

It's the same friggin thing that has happened to me, but in my case, it has been done in epic proportions.

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That's not the same as MasonicG / the_loast
- who had two forum Id's at the same time.


That's awful. One username a person should be a no-brainer. Another problem I have with Ioast/Masonic is he does tend to make long-winded, psych job posts, just like DrewTerry. DrewTerry by the way was at my forum for a spell, and he turned out to be a major troll. I think he is more of a head case than paid, imho.

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And... dissident was one of those targeted by MasonicG. So leave him out of it.


It seems that guy was targetted because someone stole his username and turned him into a nazi. My username was stolen. They would copy and paste some of my exact words, but they'd throw in disinfo, bad spelling I would never make {e.g. skys for skies} It is a long friggen convoluted story.
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Dude, the net is riven with psych games.
We try to keep it in check here, while allowing free expression.
Tough to call.


You should allow us to become guests. But yes, the internet is full of disinfo agents, from the local politicians henchman to netvocates, rendon, Hal Turner, Kos.

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Paulo_Freire:
One problem I have with the fakes list is why is BradBlog on it?

Well, 'cos he launched the Clint Curtis fake!
Detailed in the article I wrote:

Quote:
But you can tell something is up. Within hours of Madsen and RAW STORY
releasing their congruent versions of the software-vote-fix saga, a
German Shepherd dog owned by Clint Curtis was found... dead. It's the
second dog of his to meet such a fate, BradBlog breathlessly informed
readers.

Clearly Karl Rove had the poor mutts iced. Ruthless, eh?
What do you mean tinfoil? Case proven.
http://breakfornews.com/articles/MadsenVoteFraudTaleSpin.htm


Yeah, there's a determined effort to try bring down the forum.

But hey.... is that news!? Laughing Laughing

There's been MANY efforts to try bring down the forum.
You have to admire their persistence.
And wonder why. Wink

Especially now.


I went to the BradBlog article.
Brad wrote:
While Madsen's article was independently researched and reported --- and offers some very good detail in relation to Curtis, YEI, FDOT and Feeney, much of which that we can confirm --- he then ties those stories to a much grander CIA/Bush family conspiracy.

While we have looked somewhat cursorily over the last several weeks into some of the larger matters which Madsen discusses, and has been reporting on for some time, we cannot confirm any of those grander details as playing any part in this particular story. While his claims may be true, The BRAD BLOG has seen no evidence to support them as being related to the Curtis story at this time.

Frankly, we find the information related in Curtis' sworn affidavit, and via our interviews with him and others directly related to his story to be rather stunning as is, and we will stand by our reporting of those matters at this time.



Is this all you have on Brad Friedman? It doesn't seem like much. When you put him on the same list as Rense.com/Flocco types, it really hurts your credibility. Yes, you were right about DemocraticUnderground, DailyKos, your list was ok for the most part.

But BradBlog is presenting the election fraud stories as good as anyone. He's been hitting hard on the Don Siegelman story. I don't see anything here on that story except for an old thread started ironically by Don Smith, who used to post at my humble forum.

I never trusted Madsen. Kind of a you know it when you see it. But the same can be said for yourself. That's the fundamental problem with your website. After the Hertzberg thing blew up, I googled your name and found out that you had decoded alien language. Come on! That's exactly the kind of thing one could use to call you a fake.

I always knew that researching chemtrails would bring me into the realm of ridicule. Jerry Fletcher and Navari couldn't just leave me alone. I didn't even understand half the shit I do now. When you start throwing people like Brad Friedman under the bus, you open yourself up to the very same accusations.

People can find out that Steven Hertzberg was a prolific poster here. They can see that he did interviews with you. If anyone could be said to be a fake, it would be you.

So while you're awfully busy on some new mass murder as psy-op, other folks are pushing for full disclosure of wtf is up with Don Siegelman being in prison?

I wish I hadn't been drawn back in here. Unless MasonicG can explain himself, it appears to me that he is a disinformation poster. But I can't say that for sure. But I certainly don't want to read that Ioast crazy small fonts, endless streams of something.

Sometimes I do have to just admit, I do not know if that person is a fake. When you group people like Friedman into the list, however, it really doesn't help your overall argument. Is Raw Story on the list? These domains are providing important news. John Caylor, Madsen's buddy, showed up to BradBlog and called him CIA and RawStory the Russian mafia. That is insane. Come on.

I think you should clean up that list. BradBlog should not be on it. If BradBlog is on it, you are gonna have to be ahead of him.

I hope you're not a fake, I'll give you that. My brother doesn't believe in man-made global warming either. But seriously, glass houses, dude, glass houses.

(on edit- cleaned up a bad written sentence. 2nd edit- i write my crap, then later on clean up a bit. i should be less lazy and proof more, but who has the friggen time. yikes. writing's fun but at times a chore.)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulo, let's go back to where Brad started.

BradBlog used the Clint Curtis story to launch both him and Curtis.
He was the one breaking the "story." Yeah?
A story a leaky as a sieve. See my article.

Curtis was given an executive pass to appear at the Conyers hearings.
On Cspan!!
Insider.

And now Curtis is a Democratic candidate????
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Clint_Curtis
Insider.

Think about it. That's all.

And by the way, my expose of Madsen is still online:
Quote:
Wayne Madsen's Vote Fraud Tale Spin
BreakForNews.com, 7th Dec, 2004 14:00ET
by Fintan Dunne, Editor EXCLUSIVE
http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/MadsenVoteFraudTaleSpin.htm


But Madsen's Story is gone from Online Journal. Try the link:
Quote:
Special Report
Saudis, Enron money helped pay for US rigged election
By Wayne Madsen, November 25, 2004
Online Journal Contributing Writer
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html


And it's gone from Google!! :
http://www.google.com/search?&q=http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

Luckily, it is in archive.org :
http://web.archive.org/web/20050924124804/http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

Madsen's article was a slick piece of disinfo designed
to derail the Bush 2004 stolen election movement.

I Outed it on DemocraticUnderGround.
Mine was a pivotal intervention that screwed that atempt.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x123770

Madsen was forced to try defend himself:
Quote:
Madsen just wrote. It looks like he's calmed down and writes with more cogency and ran it through the spell checker this time.

Madsen writes:
Subject: Dunne etc.

"You may assure the DUers that it was my post last night. That guy's web site and posting was brought to my attention after 1) I received a call from a reporter with a major national magazine who was hostile and I realized that the intention of the interview was an impending hatchet job 2) there is a "whispering campaign" being conducted in DC (even reaching into the National Press Club and other places I hang my hat) -- the theme of that campaign is how someone who claims to be a journalist can constantly publish articles that are so hurtful to the President and his family and 3) news that David Corn of The Nation is conducting a similar smear campaign against Greg Palast .

And then this guy Dunne's post appears complete with an unflattering screen shot from a German TV interview -- it was obvious that he was continuing the campaign that began earlier in the day. My way to deal with these kinds of attacks is to respond to buckshot with Howitzer rounds.

If Dunne would have "dunne" his homework, he would have discovered that I have been writing about the Bushs' dirty money sources since before and right after Dubya came into office....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x128451


My Story Destroyed him on DU at the height of the stolen Election thing:
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:32 AM Response to Reply #12 Reply to Rosy

You asked:
"Here's my question: would Madsen, who appears to be a decent investigative reporter with impressive credentials....fall for a fake story? He's written about the current admin's dirty tricks; it's not as though he's niave. Thoughts?"

My thought is if Rather fell for the trap, why not Madsen who hasn't had the years of experience that Rather had as an investigative journalist.

Madsen has also been wrong in the past.

He claimed that we would be attacking Iran in October. I also remember how he tried to debunk Bush's arrival time a few days over a year ago, in Iraq for Thanksgiving. He gave this whole diatribe in an article "Wag The Turkey", and it turned out that the differential had to do with time zones.
Another thing that gets my antennae up about him is that he did work for Reagan in the NSA.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=84636


That's just some of it. Google the article title on DU for vast amounts.
I was right about Madsen. I'm right about the intertwined Brad Friedman.
Curtis, Bradblog, Madsen. All disinfo to derail the votefraud movement.

Now Mr. EX-NSA Madsen's article has disappeared. Laughing

And you're telling me I'M the disinfo agent???

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
Paulo, let's go back to where Brad started.

BradBlog used the Clint Curtis story to launch both him and Curtis.
He was the one breaking the "story." Yeah?
A story a leaky as a sieve. See my article.

Curtis was given an executive pass to appear at the Conyers hearings.
On Cspan!!
Insider.

And now Curtis is a democratic candidate????
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Clint_Curtis
Insider.

Think about it. That's all.


That's not proof of anything, imho. You'd have to have their resumes and whatnot and somehow showthey don't add up. Rense, Flocco, Rivero, those three make one wonder how did they get from pt. a to point b?

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And by the way, my expose of Madsen is still online:
Quote:
Wayne Madsen's Vote Fraud Tale Spin
BreakForNews.com, 7th Dec, 2004 14:00ET
by Fintan Dunne, Editor EXCLUSIVE
http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/MadsenVoteFraudTaleSpin.htm


But Madsen's Story is gone from Online Journal. Try the link:
Quote:
Special Report
Saudis, Enron money helped pay for US rigged election
By Wayne Madsen, November 25, 2004
Online Journal Contributing Writer
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html


And it's gone from Google!! :
http://www.google.com/search?&q=http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

Luckily, it is in archive.org :
http://web.archive.org/web/20050924124804/http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html

Madsen's article was a slick piece of disinfo designed
to derail the Bush 2004 stolen election movement.


I don't have the time to go through those, but yes, Madsen is a much better person than Friedman to investigate. That ex-NSA thing. He is always used by a Bushwa at Randi Rhodes Forum as a strawman. Real easy to see the script type stuff.

It's ok to make retractions. Calling Brad Friedman CIA or overly CIA/NSA/whatever influenced is ridiculous. Almost as much as someone saying they had decoded an alien language. {Fintan Dunne did that.}

Quote:

I Outed it on DemocraticUnderGround.
Mine was a pivotal intervention that screwed that atempt.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x123770


Thanks. That should be a fun one to read. Very Happy

Quote:

Madsen was forced to try defend himself:
Quote:
Madsen just wrote. It looks like he's calmed down and writes with more cogency and ran it through the spell checker this time.

Madsen writes:
Subject: Dunne etc.

"You may assure the DUers that it was my post last night. That guy's web site and posting was brought to my attention after 1) I received a call from a reporter with a major national magazine who was hostile and I realized that the intention of the interview was an impending hatchet job 2) there is a "whispering campaign" being conducted in DC (even reaching into the National Press Club and other places I hang my hat) -- the theme of that campaign is how someone who claims to be a journalist can constantly publish articles that are so hurtful to the President and his family and 3) news that David Corn of The Nation is conducting a similar smear campaign against Greg Palast .

And then this guy Dunne's post appears complete with an unflattering screen shot from a German TV interview -- it was obvious that he was continuing the campaign that began earlier in the day. My way to deal with these kinds of attacks is to respond to buckshot with Howitzer rounds.

If Dunne would have "dunne" his homework, he would have discovered that I have been writing about the Bushs' dirty money sources since before and right after Dubya came into office....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x128451


My Story Destroyed him on DU at the height of the stolen Election thing:
Quote:
OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-28-04 09:32 AM Response to Reply #12 Reply to Rosy

You asked:
"Here's my question: would Madsen, who appears to be a decent investigative reporter with impressive credentials....fall for a fake story? He's written about the current admin's dirty tricks; it's not as though he's niave. Thoughts?"

My thought is if Rather fell for the trap, why not Madsen who hasn't had the years of experience that Rather had as an investigative journalist.

Madsen has also been wrong in the past.

He claimed that we would be attacking Iran in October. I also remember how he tried to debunk Bush's arrival time a few days over a year ago, in Iraq for Thanksgiving. He gave this whole diatribe in an article "Wag The Turkey", and it turned out that the differential had to do with time zones.
Another thing that gets my antennae up about him is that he did work for Reagan in the NSA.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=84636


That's just some of it. Google the article title on DU for vast amounts.
I was right about Madsen. I'm right about the intertwined Brad Friedman.
Curtis, Bradblog, Madsen. All disinfo to derail the votefraud movement.



I don't see it with Brad Friedman, sorry.

Quote:

Now Mr. EX-NSA Madsen's article has disappeared. Laughing

And you're telling me I'M the disinfo agent???



The wayback machine isn't what it used to be either. I wasn't calling you a disinfo agent. I was just saying you appear to be one by listing Brad Friedman as a plant.

But I'm not here to fight, no more fighting for me. Speaking of tying some folks together, here are a few:

Madsen
Tinoire of Progressive Independent
Mike Rivero
Jeff Wells
Chemtrail Central
DebateBothSides


Also-
fintan
rumor mill news
decoding alien language
Steven Hertzberg/Ron Paul
Democratic Underground
Godspell Productions? or something called like that


just saying glass houses.
Having BradBlog on the list is crazy.

and maybe there were a few others that seemed out of place.

The problem is with your linking of proof to each place. You were trying to hit a home run when you just needed a base hit.

I just want to leave in peace.
But if Masonic wants to explain wtf he was on about, then fine, let's hear it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: I Do Think Fintan Is Disinfo Reply with quote

I went to Rigorous Intuition, and I think I messed up by saying MasonicG has been posting there.

As regards to Fintan and this forum, it is run like a cult. There are simply too many holes in this joint. It appears that MasonicG has been banned. If I had to guess, I think he is for real. But we never really know if someone has been banned or not, because those types of things aren't done above board here.

This place is clearly trying to normalize after all the bullshit of the last half year.

I will not support those efforts. To be honest, I never really have spent too much time reading at this place. There is certainly a conspiro-tainment value, but that goes only so far.

The thing about Fintan and his cult, if you read between the lines, the memes developed here line up with what Republican operatives would supply for disinfo. I don't have the time, nor the heart to explain this. But yes, I do sincerely believe that Fintan Dunne is a disinfo character.

People like BradBlog and RawStory, they obviously are getting revenus for their work. And that is to be expected. But where possibly could Fintan Dunne be making money off of his website to support it.

I have been on the internet a lot too. Posting a lot doesn't necessarily mean that is a sign of disinfo. But as regards to myself, I don't have a splashy website, nor do I get that much traffic.

It is obvious that the methods Fintan uses to call folks out as fakes, if applied to himself, would bring him close to the top of the list.

Global warming. Letting nazis post at this forum. Calling people out as CIA fakes with no evidence. The abundance of posters here who at a whim will bully any independent thought which threatens their outlooks.

So let's see. Fintan attacks Brad Friedman with dubious evidence. At the same time, Hertzberg is doing interviews with him and also apparently posting tons of propaganda psy-ops material at this place.

I would like to hear from MasonicG/Ioast, if he is still allowed to post. While some of his style has grated on my nerves, most of it has been thought provoking.

There has been a history of a few brave souls who have confronted this place. Ioast appears to have been one of those folks. I am not sure why he singled out me. Was he doing that based on my posts here? Or was he doing it because he is aware of my overall internet presence?

I've spent too much time as it is on BreakForDisinfoNews. It is my honest opinion that Fintan Dunne has been the strawman for the idea of internet fakes.

Why can't he explain why Hertzberg/Navari was banned? I go on a deliberate tirade against "Fintan" to get banned, but I am allowed to stay? I don't want to be here. I want to be banned from this disinfo cult.

Audioman asked to be taken off the members list, and Fintan just laughed at him. I swore my arse off deliberately at Fintan, yet I don't get banned?

MasonicG/Ioast posted that he'd be back to discuss myself, now he is in limbo?

And all the other members just carry on, as if nothing bizarre is going on at this place.

Turn me into a guest, Fintan. I think you're a fake. Now you have your new rules about no personal attacks at your website. I THINK YOU'RE DISINFO. SO WHY WON'T YOU TURN ME INTO A GUEST?

And still you have nothing on the Siegelman story.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Paulo_Freire: Turn me into a guest, Fintan. I think you're a fake. Now
you have your new rules about no personal attacks at your website. I THINK
YOU'RE DISINFO. SO WHY WON'T YOU TURN ME INTO A GUEST?


Easy with the Caps Lock, dude.

You remind me of a guy who comes up to policeman and then starts
abusing him, screaming "Go on then! Hit me! Hit me!", over and over.
In the vain hope that the cop will oblige, thus enabling the guy to go
around telling people about the terrible police brutality.

If you don't want to post here, nobody is twisting your arm.
Just stop posting. It's easy.
You can do it. I know you can. Laughing
I really don't understand your persistence.

I don't do guys, for the record. Wink

You are on Rigorous Intuition??
Sheesh dude, EVERYBODY knows that site is intel!
A relentless diet of Wooooo, Wooooo paranoia.
Ask around.

This is as much of my time as you get. Period.
There's important stories to cover.
Over and Out.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The final word has to go to Ormond. lol
Who nailed it so well many months ago.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:39 am Hey Paulo,

I've posted my sightings of massive chemtrails on this forum for a year, and I've got to tell you that you've closed more people's minds to that matter more than anybody.

You're transparent. It's not about chemtrails for you, I've been seeing you pop up for a year only when there's just been the same old attack on the forum itself.

You need to read a book called 'how to win friends and influence people' by Dale Carnegie.

And check out your local 'anger management' seminar options, ya dumb ass.

Again, you close more minds than anybody I've seen on any issue you claim to stand for.

Thanks for nuthin' dork.
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20932#20932

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough, the same day that Ormond wrote that bit, Paulo Friere was promising to leave the forum.
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alan wrote:
Hey Paulo_Freire & intent.

When you get found out on a forum, like just now, do you have to report it to your supervisor or do they check your work as a matter of course?


This could be one of my last posts ever at BFN. I have a feeling that I will be banned. That would be easier for your crew than answering tough questions and/or debate fairly.


You just can't leave can you?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: This Is Paulo_Freire Reply with quote

It looks like MasonicG has been banned also. Right now I am on a proxy.
So his good buddy Steven Hertzberg is a guest, while myself and others get our usernames stolen by rightwing operative "Fintan Dunne."

http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org


Fintan bans people but doesn't do it above board.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MasonicG was banned for having multiple IDs - sock-puppeting, in other words. c.f. 'TheLoast'.

So who has had their usernames stolen by Fintan, then? Or is this more bullshit from you, Freire?

And what the fuck isn't 'above board', asides from your assine crapulous rants?

Neutral

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continuity wrote:
MasonicG was banned for having multiple IDs - sock-puppeting, in other words. c.f. 'TheLoast'.

So who has had their usernames stolen by Fintan, then? Or is this more bullshit from you, Freire?

And what the fuck isn't 'above board', asides from your assine crapulous rants?

Neutral


I bet he wasn't. He seems to have started that username after the other one was frozen, just like mine was. Fuck you troll and fuck your lies. A word of advice, Cunty- Act like this in public, someone will smash your head in some day.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And your behaviour is all sweetness and light, and that's OK, I presume? Shocked
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