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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do you guys make of this news story that appeared on a Cleveland news website September 11th at 11:45 in the morning. The story was later pulled from the website.

Here is the story:
http://web.archive.org/web/200211090...l/story14.html


The link above didn't work for me though the image of the news article was easily viewable. I found the same Flight 93 article on archive.org at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011122233605/www.cincinow.com/specials/terrorist_attack/news/story14.shtml
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even if the flight was delayed, which I believe was not intentional, flight 93 was destined to go down. Was perhaps "flight 93" supposed to go down before any of the other flights reached their targets, or was it supposed to go down closer to Washington? (if it indeed was flight 93).

Personally, I doubt there was anything amiss or left to chance that day. The "crash site" was carefully chosen - a strip mine where "soft dirt" could explain the first ever airplane crash without any airplane. The rural, homespun setting - where not only are the folks reliably obediant towards authority, but immediate visitations from the FBI had them slickin' down their hair for the cameras, as they were easily psy-op'd into patriotic fever, and kindly asked to "help defeat these terrorists" by agreeing that they saw the same plane crash that "Joe down the road saw." "Hell, you folk might even wind up on the TeeVee." (I'm from this area, so I'm not speaking out of school here.)

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Fabricating the crime scene of Flight 93 sure would be fairly easy, given that there seems to have been very little physical evidence, as oppose to what a crash site usually looks like. The few photos released shows a few plane parts, which, I agree, could also very easily be place these for a photo op. Where are the big chunks of plane? Why did they, according to rumors, find parts of one engine over a mile away (could be disinfo)?

What you have to realize is that they found this engine in a pond, abut 700' away. The pond scenario is perfect - because it excuses why the engine was not burning, smoking or even hot when they found it. How they justify a perpendiculr crash where both engines hit the ground at exactly the same angle, in exactly the same dirt, and 1 buries itself 15' in the ground and another bounces away is beyond my physics training.

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If the parts on the pictures indeed are from the plane they claim it is from, then it looks to me like something went off inside of the plane given the brownish interior and the part of the fuselage bent outwards. But then again, that is not conclusive.

My first reaction to the reddish-brown metal was that t was rust, from sitting in the ground since earlier that year. But then, I'm just a cynic, I guess. Wink

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I hope the research into the strip mine company and the "fill-in" scenario proves to be fruitful, Rumpl.

Have not had a shred of luck coordinating that, due to a death in the family and other extenuating circumstances when I was back there recently.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting series of Flight 93 related videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGL9XimWCs&NR=1
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Global Research Reply with quote

PREVIOUS video was removed, but THIS one exists.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7623

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc Added: April 21, 2006
(so hopefully it will stay up permanently)

Ultra-rare news footage from the crash site of United Flight 93 which has never been seen again since 9/11.



or here: www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/9-11_Flight_93_Rare_Footage_FoxNews.flv
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was no plane crash in Shanksville. I believe that a missile may have been fired into the forest and the crater was made beforehand. Or perhaps a UAV of some sort crashed. 9/11 Researcher Terrorcell claims to have interviewed many eyewitnesses that support his theory that a small drone was involved.

The "Shoot Down" theory, as Rumpl stated, is a red herring. It was started by flight93crash.com, which has been outed as a government-run site. It was also fueled by the purposeful 'shot down the plane over Pennsylvania' slip made by Slipper McSlippery himself, Donald Rumsfeld.

If one looks at the photos, they will realize that no plane crashed in Shanksville. The dirt inside the crater was unburnt. The grass growing near the crater and some inside the crater was unburnt. A photographer on the scene couldn't smell any jet fuel, and groundwater was tested for jet fuel, none was found. No fuel-laden 757 crashed there.

Let's look at the evidence presented in this post..



Isn't it just a little too convenient that this engine scrap fits perfectly into the backhoe bucket? We already know that the FBI was running some of the excavation equipment, so seeing as it just happens to fit perfectly into this bucket, they could have simply lowered it down and snapped a photo. Plus, the engine looks rusted.. and where did the rest of the engine go? Since it supposedly buried that far under the ground, shouldn't it be coated in dirt? And what are those strange pieces of silver? They aren't from a United Airlines 757, that's for sure. Probably just put there to be props with the engine.



This picture took 4 years to release and the insulation is missing. Not credible. How did it survive without significant fire damage when the rest of the plane disintegrated?



This photo took 4 years to be released. It seems ridiculous to say that the rest of the plane disintegrated yet this piece survived perfectly with no significant fire damage.



What is with the wires and the piece of wood? Why are they in the crater? Why isn't the black box covered in dirt? The metal holding up the box makes this look like a staged photo.



Why is it not caked in dirt? We can see part of the manufacturer logo. The first letter. That's the key to exposing this photo. It should be 'A' for Allied Signal, since that was the manufacturer, but it's a Honeywell H. Planted!



911 Researcher Amanda Reconwith put this perp-manufactured evidence at 911 movement: http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=2592



AmandaReconwith also has proof that this piece of evidence was manufactured: http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=2616

As for the evidence of the hijackers, there is indication that these government-trained, government-funded dupes were never on any planes. Therefore, the Ziad Jarrah evidence must have been planted. The bandana is just ludicrous. An entire plane disintegrates, but these tiny objects survive without significant damage.

I believe Flight 93 ended up in Cleveland Airport that day. Delta 1989 was deliberately landed there to act as a cover for Flight 93 landing there. One news story reported Flight 93 landed, but the story was pulled quickly (Very unusual). Shoestring is too smart for the perps, though. In his article "The Cleveland Airport Mystery", he proved through reports that two planes landed in Cleveland Airport. One of them was reported to be Delta 1989. Many of the reports didn't identify the other plane, except for the AP report that was carried by WCPO. The plane was identified as Flight 93.

People in Shanksville heard a missile and some saw a missile or UAV. The Shanksville crash site was faked. There was no plane.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Carpainter

You are a complete and total KNOW-NOTHING idiot and a total waste of anyones time.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy wrote:
Lord Carpainter

You are a complete and total KNOW-NOTHING idiot and a total waste of anyones time.

Grumpy Cool


If you will debate like an 11 year old, you will be responded to accordingly..

Your mom. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy's getting his period, leave him alone. Wink

Hey Grumpy - I happen to have done the graphics work on a lot of Killtown's McClatchey accusations. In fact, I believe I pretty much created the whole issue (call me a stickler for reality), when I plotted her location on GoogleEarth a few years ago, and things didn't even come close to lining up - let alone display a smoke cloud that was already 700 yards across within 60 seconds of the "impact", according to Val (of course, she also swears "the plane flew right over" her house - another physical impossibility, even by the govt's version.)

At the risk of seeming as if I think McClatchey is a liar, let me just say that I think McClatchey's a liar. Laughing She's an opportunist in the least, a govt-complicit pawn most likely, and her photo has nothing to do with Flight 93's crash (assuming there was one). That's been proven, beyond a doubt. Btw, this analysis has nothing to do with the veracity of a Flight 93 crash, it's about the photo - which also has nothing to do with a Flight 93 crash.

Why not comment on the work here: http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6531#6531

Let's see what you got. Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy.

Grow up before someone shoves your face in! I have to agree with the above poster. You act like an 11 year old, anything but someone who claims to be retired. Maybe you just never got picked for any team in PE class or something.

Get a life.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey Grumpy - I happen to have done the graphics work on a lot of Killtown's McClatchey accusations.


Not something to be proud of. That makes you part of the problem and responsible for this stupid shit.

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she also swears "the plane flew right over" her house


She heard it, not saw it. Hearing(especially in an enclosed space) is a very poor indicator of direction or position. The most you can say is she was mistaken.

The Killtown harassment of this woman is one of the low points in some very sleezy events. Had I been her I would have sued his pants off(and you as well) for such useless and antisocial behavior.

Saw a video of Killtown and others behavior in NY on an aniversary of 911. Looked to me like the only reason he didn't have to go to a hospital to have a bullhorn surgically removed from his ass is because of the heavy police presence. There were some firefighters and steelworkers there ready to give him an attitude adjustment with a ballbat. Now that would make an entertaining reality show!!! Hell, I would PAY to see that one!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy wrote:
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Hey Grumpy - I happen to have done the graphics work on a lot of Killtown's McClatchey accusations.


Not something to be proud of. That makes you part of the problem and responsible for this stupid shit.

I stand by my research. It's correct, scientific, carefully documented and adheres precisely to the laws of physics. Therefore, blow it out your ass. Cool

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The Killtown harassment of this woman is one of the low points in some very sleezy events. Had I been her I would have sued his pants off(and you as well) for such useless and antisocial behavior.

Have you had much luck in your letigious campaign against anti-social behavior? Now you really sound like a member of the Bush administration. Freudian slip, Grump?

And I would welcome a lawsuit regarding the Shanksville data (as stupid as that would be, suing over the legitimacy of a photo), as I would welcome suit brought against many 9/11 Truthers. But don't hold your breath - they don't dare swat that hornet's nest. You can be sure that the only courts such cases would be allowed would feature compromised judge Reggie Walton and NWO legal whore Patrick Fitzgerald as prosecutor.

The only reason I'd be at all hesitant is that I'd fear for my long-time lawyer's safety. He'd suddenly expire in a one-car crash on a deserted road, and the next thing I'd know I'd be represented by Mark Zaid.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumpl4skn

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I stand by my research.


Like calling this cloud of smoke "ordinance related"???





On August 13, 2006, an Algerian Lockheed L100-30, the commercial version of the well-known C-130 Hercules, a four-engine turboprop, crashed near Piacenza, Italy, as reported by local news and government sources. A cloud of smoke rose from the crash site and a local resident, Gianluca Pietta, took a picture of it (shown here with his permission):

Yeah, real scientific, just like claiming no plane and passenger parts were removed from the site.

Scientific??? NO. Stupid, certainly.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grumpy wrote:
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I stand by my research.


Like calling this cloud of smoke "ordinance related"???


It might behoove you in the future, Grump, to actually read the research you're critiquing. Show me where I postulate anything about the smoke cloud being "ordnance related." I believe that was Killtown's take, not mine.

The 'research' I referenced was my definitive proof that the smoke cloud in Val's photo is not only off the mark from the crash site (which she claims she snapped within seconds of the explosion), but also - within seconds - roughly 700 yards across in size.



Unless there was a small nuke on board Flight 93, that's not a believable size of cloud. Or, is it somehow believable in your own world of physics?

The only other possible explanation - if there indeed was a smoke cloud at that moment, and not something photoshopped in after the FBI confiscated her camera and hard drive - is that it occurred at less than half the distance to the alleged crash site.

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Scientific??? NO. Stupid, certainly.

Grumpy Cool

Once again, please be so kind as to blow it out your ass.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless there was a small nuke on board Flight 93, that's not a believable size of cloud. Or, is it somehow believable in your own world of physics?


What would you know about how big the cloud would be??? 2200 feet doesn't strike me as out of the realm of possibilities. The aircraft obviously struck the ground at or near supersonic speed, and the fuel(100,000 lbs of it) burned mostly within the first couple of seconds, the energy of the impact vaporized most of it instantly.

So,Scientific??? NO. Stupid, certainly.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What would you know about how big the cloud would be??? 2200 feet doesn't strike me as out of the realm of possibilities.

Well, that's because your job here is to deny every possible reality that conflicts with your job/agenda - which is endless apologist for the PTB. And I thank you for endlessly proving that over and over.

Along with the invariable, obligatory insult at the end of each post, designed to drive every discussion into the realm of name-calling and unrelated personal insults. That's sure to generate the desired cognitive dissonance that prevents any dangerous revelation of fact.

Now let's inspect you latest "gem":

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On August 13, 2006, an Algerian Lockheed L100-30, the commercial version of the well-known C-130 Hercules, a four-engine turboprop, crashed near Piacenza, Italy, as reported by local news and government sources. A cloud of smoke rose from the crash site and a local resident, Gianluca Pietta, took a picture of it (shown here with his permission):

The discrepancy Killtown makes about the smoke clouds is not the shape, it's the color. Jet Fuel (kerosene) smoke is more black, ordnance smoke is much more gray.

Your two pictures very clearly show that a verified aircraft crash and the Shanksville cloud are clearly different colors. Thank you for your cooperation. I never thought you'd agree with me on this. Laughing

Now, if I were like you, at this point I'd add the insult, like, "Go fuck yourself." But I wouldn't do that. I'm not as smart as you.

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