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Peter



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Like a dog chasing its tail. Reply with quote

Hi Mike

I gather that they infer the actual values from the Oxygen 18 analyses of the ice cores from antarctica but it may be actual values.

Seems as if the warming occurs which leads to additional and incremental CO2 increase. It may lag due to reabsorption into the oceans etc. but it is an indicator if not initially a cause.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Like a dog chasing its tail. Reply with quote

Peter wrote:
Hi Mike

I gather that they infer the actual values from the Oxygen 18 analyses of the ice cores from antarctica but it may be actual values.

Seems as if the warming occurs which leads to additional and incremental CO2 increase. It may lag due to reabsorption into the oceans etc. but it is an indicator if not initially a cause.
What is the problem with CO2?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

only that its the basis of our whole food chain,because thats plants what plants munch on. we are not much fun for there yums, oh well what goes around comes around.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Climate change 'fraud' Reply with quote

Hi Can someone explain the following?

I read an article here:

http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html

It said that C02 couldn't be the cause of global warming because it absorbs ALL of the radiation within a certain area. (ie radiation is the limiting factor - more C02 cannot trap more heat)

If this is true then how can it also be true that 'some' radiation is/has always been reflected by the earths surface and returned to space?

Surely both cannot be true? If some solar radiation is reflected then it stands that the C02 didn't absorb it all, and by that logic more C02 would absorb more radiation as it passes back through the atmospher having been reflected?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump^^
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must recommend this climate site

http://www.climate4you.com

if you want good graphics and charts they have the most up to date and the best IMO.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global Warming/Cooling is another false choice (republican/democrat) given to the people to squabble over instead of the real problem

here's a clue of one of the real problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmD9IJh1Cr0

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ormond wrote:
Also, just for FUN, here's a trick question:

No polar bear has ever been known to eat a penquin, though polar bears are carniverous and penguins are quite edible (and tasty).
Why hasn't a polar bear ever eaten a penquin?


Polar bears live in the Arctic and would very much enjoy a diet of penguins. Penguins are cunning creatures and have therefore adopted a defensive strategy of living in the Antarctic. They're just poles apart, really.

What I want to know is, where would you find the West Pole?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-09-22-voa16.cfm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVseyRMTWU-tI-9-sDhfCCJEk4vgD9ASDMQG0
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Fiddles the play while Romm burns.... Reply with quote

From the NASA GISS personnel blurb for Dr. Hansen,

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/jhansen.html

in his own words…(my bolding)

One of my research interests is radiative transfer in planetary atmospheres, especially interpreting remote sounding of the earth’s atmosphere and surface from satellites. Such data, appropriately analyzed, may provide one of our most effective ways to monitor and study global change on the earth. The hardest part is trying to influence the nature of the measurements obtained, so that the key information can be obtained.

Pretty much sums it all up, I daresay.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from Wunderground.com
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Posted by: JeffMasters, 2:43 PM GMT en Enero 18, 2011

December 2010 was the globe's 17th warmest December on record, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies rated December 2010 the 11th warmest December on record. December 2010 global ocean temperatures were the 10th warmest on record, and land temperatures were the 30th warmest on record. Global satellite-measured temperatures for the lowest 8 km of the atmosphere were the 7th warmest on record, according to both Remote Sensing Systems and the University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH). The global cool-down from November, which was the warmest November on record for the globe, was due in large part to the on-going moderate strength La Niña episode in the Eastern Pacific. The large amount of cold water that upwells to the surface during a La Niña typically causes a substantial cool-down in global temperatures. Still, December 2010 temperatures were warm enough to make 2010 tied with 2005 as Earth's warmest year in history, as I reported in yesterday's post.

For those interested, NCDC has a page of notable weather highlights from December 2010.


Figure 1. Departure of temperature from average for December 2010. Eastern Canada and Greenland were very warm, relative to average, and much of Siberia and Europe were abnormally cold. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

An average December for the U.S.
For the contiguous U.S., December was near-average in temperature, ranking as the 44th coldest December in the 116-year record, according to the National Climatic Data Center. The year 2010 was the 23rd warmest on record. A strong "Arctic Oscillation" pattern allowed cold air to spill southward over the Southeast U.S., resulting in the coldest December on record in Florida and Georgia. Nine other states in the Southeast U.S. had top-ten coldest Decembers. Five states in the Southwest U.S. had top-ten warmest Decembers. A series of major snowstorms brought the 7th-largest December snow cover to the U.S. as a whole. December 2010 precipitation in the contiguous U.S. was also near average, ranking 54th driest in the 116-year record. Montana and Utah had their wettest Decembers on record, and six other states had top-ten wettest Decembers--Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oregon, Maine, and California. Six states had top-ten driest Decembers--Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas, and Delaware.

La Niña in the "moderate" to "strong" category
The equatorial Eastern Pacific Ocean is currently experiencing moderate to strong La Niña conditions. Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) over the tropical Eastern Pacific in the area 5°N - 5°S, 120°W - 170°W, also called the "Niña 3.4 region", were 1.5°C below average as of January 10, according to NOAA. The Australian Bureau of Meteorology put this number at 1.45°C below average (as of January 9.) Moderate La Niña conditions are defined as occurring when this number is 1.0°C - 1.5°C below average. Temperatures colder than 1.5°C below average qualify as strong La Niña conditions. NOAA is maintaining its La Niña advisory, and expects La Niña conditions to last through through spring.

Both El Niño and La Niña events have major impacts on regional and global weather patterns. La Niña typically causes warm, dry winters over the southern portion of the U.S., with cooler and wetter than average conditions over the Pacific Northwest. The Ohio and Mississippi Valleys states typically have wetter winters than usual during La Niña events.

December 2010 Arctic sea ice extent lowest on record
Northern Hemisphere sea ice extent in December 2010 was the lowest in the 31-year satellite record, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Ice volume in December was also the lowest on record for this time of year, according to University of Washington Polar Ice Center. At the end of December, the eastern portion of Canada's Hudson Bay remained unfrozen, the first time in recorded history that Hudson Bay has not been completely frozen over at the end of the year. The unusual amount of open water led to temperatures that averaged 20°C (36°F) above normal over a region larger than Texas during the first ten days of January.

Jeff Masters

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1729
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

German subsidies for solar-power will be reduced by as much as 15 percent from July 1, after the government won industry agreement on the need for tariff cuts in the world’s biggest market for photovoltaic panels.

The tariffs, which guarantee above-market rates for solar power, will be lowered by as much as 15 percent for roof-based panels depending on the volume of installations in March, April and May this year, Environment Minister Norbert Roettgen said. Cuts for ground-based systems will come in on Sept. 1, he said.

“In the interests of power users in Germany, solar energy must be cost-efficient and adjusted to market price developments,” Roettgen told reporters at a briefing in Berlin today attended by Guenther Cramer, the head of Germany’s BSW solar industry association. “A solar market that grows too quick and over-heats would push up power costs.”

Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government is paring subsidies because solar-panel prices have fallen by as much as 40 percent, leading to a glut on the German market. Germany may have installed 8 megawatts to 9 gigawatts in new solar capacity this year, accounting for more than half the world’s market, Bloomberg New Energy Finance estimates from Jan. 12 show.

The Environment Ministry said the allowance reductions will be brought forward to July 1 from Jan. 1, 2012, with cuts of as much as 15 percent if forecast solar panel electrical output exceeds 7,500 megawatts.

Germany pegged subsidies last year on an assumption new solar capacity would grow by 5,000 megawatts. It actually grew by some 7,000 megawatts, equal to 6 new medium-sized conventional electricity plants, Roettgen said. That’s why the country had to speed up reducing subsidies, he said.

The new capacity installed “is an expression of the success of solar power in Germany,” he said.

To contact the reporters on this story: Brian Parkin in Berlin at bparkin@bloomberg.net; Marc Roca in London at mroca6@bloomberg.net

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/german-subsidies-for-solar-power-to-be-reduced-as-much-as-15-from-july-1.html?cmpid=yhoo
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in Thailand. Monsoon is meant to be over.

It. Is. Pissing. Down. In. Spades.

I can hear ambulance alarms.

Very odd weather. Global warming, see?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:29 am    Post subject: They call the wind, la nina. Reply with quote

Blame the little girl. La nina, in spades, is a bitch.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:39 am    Post subject: Nothing left but the stem and pit... Reply with quote

Just more of the same, but good to know, nonetheless.

http://climateaudit.org/2011/03/23/13321/

Now when the "Team" claim that the "trick" was legit and that the reasons for it were explained in the peer-reviewed literature, they can be asked about the "preceding" data removal.

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