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Paulo_Freire



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: 10 Questions for Ron Paul Reply with quote

navari wrote:
I am planning on developing a list of questions for Ron Paul that will
hopefully enlighten me to his "real" position - is he an authorized
unauthorized candidate, or is he a true unauthorized candidate. Is he
someone who I should invest time supporting, or is he simply another
dead end path.

For me, one of the primary things to understand is Paul's attitude on the
war on terror. His comment, in the second GOP debate - that "they
"attacked us because of our longterm policies over "there" - certainly is
disturbing. Does he buy-into the Muslim Fundamentalism enemy and war
on terrorism memes or does he not?

Also, I'd like to address the racist comments that have circulated around
the web. Does he deny these comments, were they taken out of
context, what?

While he has clearly been an advocate of a Constitutional money system,
he has also stated that he would not dissolve the FED quickly. What are
the details of his transition plan.

I'm open to suggestions. If anyone would care to propose a question, I
will make sure that the questions gets asked and answered sometime over
the next few months.


Ok, i'm gonna just throw up links to more threads started by Navari.
I'm not trying to spam, but all the threads and posts made at this place by Navari must be able to explain somewhat wtf he was doing here.

And these are just from general discussion, not including threads and posts he wrote elsewhere at this place.

Vectored Thinking & FSL
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2973

Mini Research Project: List of CFR & Trilat Members
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2966

Every once in a while, I like to re-read this....
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2918

Brzezinski's daughter looses it on live TV
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2873&start=0

Grassroots Democracy, Fuck Ya!
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2861

Putting Words in Bush's Mouth (literally)
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2737

Pink Ball vs. G8
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2722

We Must Become the Buffalo!
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2688

John Conyers
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2663

It is a Great Time to be Alive
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2489&start=0

Fox News is fascinating to watch
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2555

Interesting Exchange in Congress on War Profiteering
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2542

keith harmon snow on africa
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2455

SEN BYRD CALLS TO SUNSET THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE IRAQ WAR
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2452

Move-on's VideoVet's Project
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2451

1st Republican Debate
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2447

LAPD ASSAULTS IMMIGRATION REFORM DEMONSTRATORS
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2433

Military taps YouTube to promote its view of Iraq
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2435

Al Qaeda Strikes Back
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2436

the day digg went crazyhttp://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2430

This Shit Makes me Puke
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2420&start=0

Exponential Times (Recommended Video)
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2345&start=0

Holy Shit
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2396

Branch of VA Tech Thread
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2364&start=0

It All Makes So Much Sense Now
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2392

Cow Poop more Dangerous to Earth than Exhaling
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2369

No Smiling Allowed
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2357

Iraq Veterans Memorial
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2140

'Hillary 1984' Mashup
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2155

Fintan Interviews I'd like to hear
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2120

Light Relief: The "Oval" Office
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2110

Was Anna Nicole Smith's Death an Op?
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1844

BBC Video: Bush Greeted by Huge Protests in Brazil
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2079

Workforce of Narcissists
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2058

Walter Reed Hospital
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2067

How many people signed the Declaration of Independence?
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2077

What's going on here?
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2084

"America the Broke"
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2082

Micro$oft and AntiTrust
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2069

The Destruction of the Neocons
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2072

Red is Dead
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2053

The World of Skypecasts
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2061

Tax Surpluses State Gov'ts Don't Tell the Public About
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2040

Who Really Hates Our Freedom
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2020

News War by PBS Frontline
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1987

Clearing your Google Search History
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1980

Ofc thread:Presidential campaign antics(was:Barak in Austin)http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1976

Our Future Vision: Full Spectrum Liberty -inc. Audio
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1879&start=0

British WebTV: A World without America
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1943

Videos: Are American's really the most stupid?
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1881

B4N, for consideration
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1786&start=0

Artificial Tension Up: Iranian nuke scientist assassinated
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1820

DAVOS: (video/Audio) Who Will Shape the Agenda?
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1806

cientific publishers hire PR pit bull to combat open acces
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1775

Elite's plans to 'fight the net' "revealed"
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1742&start=0

Serious: Why are we at this forum?
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1643&start=0

cuddle, pray, pee, joke: how to get arrested when flying
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1300

Wikileaks.org: untraceable document leaking tool
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1708

Ok, can't believe how many threads he started, not gonna copy the titles for the rest of them.
Now wtf was steven hertberg up to at break for news????????????


http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1709
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1707


But then again, the titles say a lot
Nice Concise Article on Global Warming
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1691&start=0

DoD has a new toy
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1702

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1687
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1694
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1698
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1695
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1669
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1688
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1641&start=0
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1622
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1590
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1615

Ok, gonna stop, that's through page 26 of 41.
And a lot of it looks like he is a hypocrite doing the same fucking shit he accused Alex Jones of doing.

People should take a look at Steven Hertzberg in real life, straight laced, run of the mill looking moderate, not a conspiracy bone in him to be seen, then look at all the shit he posted here. Look at his resume, dept. of defense, etc..

Is Steven Hertzberg some kind of insidious social engineer or what?????

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Hocus Locus



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: 10 Questions for Ron Paul Reply with quote

Paulo_Freire wrote:
Is Steven Hertzberg some kind of insidious social engineer or what?????

Only to the extent that we each
are not so chock-full of our own selfs
that we can easily fight him off
or don't have two selfs to rub together.

How insidious could it be?
He left such a plain trail to follow.
He wasn't even mumbling in Latin.
Some great mumbling Mass of Latin.

There might be mystery afoot
but there is no need for fear
so long as you can read between
the lines, that which is clearly written.

Unlike the next, most revealing stanza
which would tell all, had I written it here.

___
OVER the underpass!
UNDER the overpass!
Around the FUTURE and BEYOND REPAIR!!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I was just browsing www.ronpaul2008.com

Only one question needed for Ron Paul : Why don't you jump into a lake?

"In 1976, he was one of only four Republican congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president."

"Law enforcement officials should never have to demonstrate anything more than standard probable cause when seeking a warrant in the war on terrorism."

"Abortion on demand is no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age. The lack of respect for life that permits abortion significantly contributes to our violent culture and our careless attitude toward liberty."

"This week I plan to introduce legislation that will add a sunset clause to the original authorization (Public Law 107-243) six months after passage. This is designed to give Congress ample time between passage and enactment to craft another authorization or to update the existing one. With the original objectives fulfilled, Congress has a legal obligation to do so. Congress also has a moral obligation to our troops to provide relevant and coherent policy objectives in Iraq .

Unlike other proposals, this bill does not criticize the presidentís handling of the war. This bill does not cut off funds for the troops. This bill does not set a timetable for withdrawal. Instead, it recognizes that our military has achieved the objectives as they were spelled out in law and demands that Congress live up to its constitutional obligation to provide oversight. I am hopeful that this legislation will enjoy broad support among those who favor continuing or expanding the war as well as those who favor ending the war. We need to consider anew the authority for Iraq and we need to do it sooner rather than later. "

"Marque and reprisal would create an incentive for individuals close to bin Laden to kill or capture him and his associates. This method in effect places a bounty on the heads of international terrorists, who often travel between countries, melt into civilian populations, or hide in remote areas."

"Terrorist should fear us, not the other way around."

"Jail sentences and penalties should be increased, and the death penalty should be possible for many offenses. Terrorist attempts and conspiracies should be treated as harshly as completed acts."
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he's the same as everyone else, if not worse.

He just says "constitution" a lot. smilie_finger1.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul draws heavily upon an idealized image from the time when North America was still being colonized and there was always more land which could be stolen from the "Indians." He seems totally detached from the fact that banking crises were worse then in an unregulated environment and only relieved themselves by steady territorial expansion to the west. It's like he's created a world of make-believe wherein the USA of the 19th century was a territorially fixed entity that didn't depend upon external expansion for economic growth but just remained stable within a settled region while the magic hand of the free market brought prosperity to all. That's totally divorced from the actual development of capitalist imperialism in North America.[/quote]

That is a succinct and quite accurate analysis of the make-believe world all right wing libertarians exist in. Ron Paul, included.

This has been an interesting thread for a chilly Saturday evening in Georgia. Discussing Ron Paul is interesting to me (although probably not the wisest use of my time) as a black male. I find it interesting on several levels.

1) The level of unreality so many Libertarians and RP supporters of varying shades must exist in to digest the fantasy of honest, clean unregulated capitalism. The psychologically dissonant character of the phenomena is interesting to observe and attempt to understand.

2) As an African living the US, I find the objections to Ron Paul by other (I assume) center oriented political types almost as interesting as the aforementioned blinders worn by the Ron Paul supporter. What I mean is that, as I've mentioned here before I think, the attempt to separate racism and US politics is a red flag indicating a not insignificant level of delusion. For instance, while I agree with dilbert_g's analysis just about to the letter, his dismissal of the racial aspect is a red flag indicating that while he is technically astute as to the policy flaws and some ideological flaws of RP, he misses a large part of the big picture. Just about every question dilbert_g raised to Dr. Paul, almost every contradiction pointed out leads one back to the question of white racism in the US (if you don't operate from an ahistorical premise where race is insignificant). So even the relatively extremely level-headed and informed politicos, sideline the issue of race. Not because they harbor racism themselves but because they don't understand it and because (the important part) they exist in a hegemonic cultural atmosphere were racism is assumed and normalized on the institutional as well as personal level. Meaning, for the average white US citizen, racism, unless it manifests itself in the form of the KKK, neo-nazis or similar entities, is invisible.

This includes the Ron Paul types as well as those that have problems with Ron Paul but (and they usually go to pains to make this point clearly understood) not racial problems with Ron Paul. Notice that dilbert said that Ron Paul's racial observations (as dilbert referred to them) were maybe inappropriate. On the white side, that is about as opposition or push back will go in regards to race.

It is an internalized conclusion that the race issue is overblown by irrational 'minorities' and not as serious an issue as they make it seem. This is interesting because this is the establishment line all the way but you can hear and see this line in the thinking and comments of folks that consider themselves and their political analysis to be well outside of the establishment sanctioned breakdown. And they are outside of it.

Until it comes to the issue of white racism inside the U.S., at which point they usually fall back in line with the typical Republican or Democrat. Making it all the more obvious that race, not the Fed, not 9/11, not any of these hot buttons is the real bright line for white folks when it comes to US politics. Even those that consider themselves radicals, balk when it comes to acknowledging the breadth, scope and penetration of racialized thinking on the white psyche. It goes so deep that the most supposedly enlightened whites see minorities, the documented victims of racism, as the ones who most lack perspective, ironically turning reality upside down.

Is Ron Paul a racist? Wrong question. The correct question is if a person or group's policy advocacy has a consistent history of adversely affecting a particular racial group what does that mean? Does it mean that he/she is racist? D

Doesn't matter.

The functional effect is racial. And that's a fact, not an opinion. That is why Ron Paul (and all Republicans just about) are opposed by black people.

The sidelining of this issue by our supposed allies, is unfortunate.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atlien wrote:
Discussing Ron Paul is interesting to me (although probably not the wisest use of my time) as a black male. I find it interesting on several levels.

1) The level of unreality so many Libertarians and RP supporters of varying shades must exist in to digest the fantasy of honest, clean unregulated capitalism. The psychologically dissonant character of the phenomena is interesting to observe and attempt to understand.

2) As an African living the US, I find the objections to Ron Paul by other (I assume) center oriented political types almost as interesting as the aforementioned blinders worn by the Ron Paul supporter. What I mean is that, as I've mentioned here before I think, the attempt to separate racism and US politics is a red flag indicating a not insignificant level of delusion. For instance, while I agree with dilbert_g's analysis just about to the letter, his dismissal of the racial aspect is a red flag indicating that while he is technically astute as to the policy flaws and some ideological flaws of RP, he misses a large part of the big picture. Just about every question dilbert_g raised to Dr. Paul, almost every contradiction pointed out leads one back to the question of white racism in the US (if you don't operate from an ahistorical premise where race is insignificant). So even the relatively extremely level-headed and informed politicos, sideline the issue of race. Not because they harbor racism themselves but because they don't understand it and because (the important part) they exist in a hegemonic cultural atmosphere were racism is assumed and normalized on the institutional as well as personal level. Meaning, for the average white US citizen, racism, unless it manifests itself in the form of the KKK, neo-nazis or similar entities, is invisible.

This includes the Ron Paul types as well as those that have problems with Ron Paul but (and they usually go to pains to make this point clearly understood) not racial problems with Ron Paul. Notice that dilbert said that Ron Paul's racial observations (as dilbert referred to them) were maybe inappropriate. On the white side, that is about as opposition or push back will go in regards to race.

It is an internalized conclusion that the race issue is overblown by irrational 'minorities' and not as serious an issue as they make it seem. This is interesting because this is the establishment line all the way but you can hear and see this line in the thinking and comments of folks that consider themselves and their political analysis to be well outside of the establishment sanctioned breakdown. And they are outside of it.

Until it comes to the issue of white racism inside the U.S., at which point they usually fall back in line with the typical Republican or Democrat. Making it all the more obvious that race, not the Fed, not 9/11, not any of these hot buttons is the real bright line for white folks when it comes to US politics. Even those that consider themselves radicals, balk when it comes to acknowledging the breadth, scope and penetration of racialized thinking on the white psyche. It goes so deep that the most supposedly enlightened whites see minorities, the documented victims of racism, as the ones who most lack perspective, ironically turning reality upside down.

Is Ron Paul a racist? Wrong question. The correct question is if a person or group's policy advocacy has a consistent history of adversely affecting a particular racial group what does that mean? Does it mean that he/she is racist? D

Doesn't matter.

The functional effect is racial. And that's a fact, not an opinion. That is why Ron Paul (and all Republicans just about) are opposed by black people.

The sidelining of this issue by our supposed allies, is unfortunate.


Excellent post. This cuts through the fog. May I have your permission to quote you and post this elsewhere?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:


Excellent post. This cuts through the fog. May I have your permission to quote you and post this elsewhere?


May I second that?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ron paul works for the queen too. his job is to give hope and isolate the dissedents.
it is an op for sure.
it's so in your face... the echo from the past...

ron paul= ross perot R.P. 1991,2007

it is an op and it is humor to them

there is NO choice any more
they even spell love backwards in his banner

revolution, my ass.

the only thing to help now is revolt, not ron paul's fake hope.

and that's not gonna happen, is it?

not when you have- controlled media propaganda
- chemtrails
-microwave military towers
- fluoridated water
- g m food
- multigenerational mind control protocols in play
-brainwashing educational system
-satanic world-order overlords
etc, etc

the way must be spiritual and personal.

but fear not ... their time is up. they were supposed to have complete tyranny by 2000
and it didn't come to pass. higher forces are in play.

just my opinion and some info from elsewhere
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackson wrote:
they were supposed to have complete tyranny by 2000

Any meaningful source for this assertion or is it just part of the rumor mill?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickSMcNally wrote:
jackson wrote:
they were supposed to have complete tyranny by 2000

Any meaningful source for this assertion or is it just part of the rumor mill?


Good post too jackson.

Patrick it could be Global 2000

Just do a web search, its an old now,official gov doc and goes to show that they the NWO elite's are as mad as a bag of jam.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackson wrote:


the only thing to help now is revolt, not ron paul's fake hope.

and that's not gonna happen, is it?

not when you have- controlled media propaganda
- chemtrails
-microwave military towers
- fluoridated water
- g m food
- multigenerational mind control protocols in play
-brainwashing educational system
-satanic world-order overlords
etc, etc

the way must be spiritual and personal.

but fear not ... their time is up. they were supposed to have complete tyranny by 2000
and it didn't come to pass. higher forces are in play.

just my opinion and some info from elsewhere


I agree wholeheartedly.

Isn't the propaganda about the propaganda also part of the OP though? For example: Chemtrails and Satanic(arguable) overlords
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

city trader wrote:
Patrick it could be Global 2000

That was a study of global demographic trends commissioned in the early 1980s. Even if one wishes to cast suspicion on the general benevolence of those doing the study (which is perfectly arguable) it said nothing about plans to "establish a global tyranny by 2000." Twisting the report into such is just an example of the rumor mill at work.
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