Are we living in a computer simulation?

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2887 Location: Capacious Creek

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

So either we were created by aliens ala Tsarion or by ourselves ala Paul Levy and Fintan Dunne. Or somewhere in between.

I think it takes more of a leap of faith and is yet more sensible to look in the mirror and say "I am the creator" rather than to look up at the sky for UFOs.

And perhaps a lot scarier.

bri · Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 2887 Location: Capacious Creek

kathy · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:33 am Post subject:

the_loast · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject:

Ok... my coincidence list on BFN is getting ugly

I just hinted at that earlier, and funnily enough, there is meant to be an equal rebuttal of that argument which, being a child of logic, I'm anxious to read. Left it earlier though as I left the room, came back in, saw the flickering of the screen and thought 'eyes I have abused you...'

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Trying to make that argument more practical, I think it sane enough to say that, since this system in which we find ourselves demands 'efficiency', meaning that the tools (slaves) must eventually become the masters, it wouldn't hit me that hard to think that this system was completely an artificial invention by some pretty sharp suits. I'm constructing this from the premise 'the first rule of nature is preservation...

Deeming that most morality rests on the conduct of the individual, then surely, with 'civilisation' destined to eradicate the free will, the very basis on which it rests, making this conclusion a matter of 'self-termination', then surely I'm left to conclude that

a) nature has gone mad [smiley=blond.gif]
b) we've been sucked in [smiley=toilet15.gif]

Strangely enough, I was thinking that alot of the times - for example speaking to 'pre-programmed people' and hearing them parrot the typical slogans - we really are in a sad imitation of reality. Artifical responses, superficial intimacy, robotic work routines, schools which effectively teach me the valuable lesson of 'OBEY'...

Reality truly must be discerned at all costs...

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2869 --- network script[/list]

the_loast · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:10 am Post subject:

Here's the argument as I ripped it from Wiki:

the_loast · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:15 am Post subject:

For some reason I cannot edit, but in possibly trying to get to depths with hte illusion, I found the follwing quite interesting in terms of what the public see as normal:

Azoth · Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 684 Location: NSA Office

imo, we need to consider the Great Now moment here.

i once had a trip. don't laugh, some teach.

so i sensed my(other)self in what seemed like the higher astral. in that state (which had a collective feel tho it may've been all My selves) everything was fine. that is, fine. it was Already fine, complete.

and the whole theme at that time was about pre-incarnation.

that is, to incarnate, or to not incarnate.

{and according to S. Grof's school, i may've been longing or hallucinating (for) mommy's comfy peaceful womb.}

but this highly aetheric state seemed more real and everything "below" was like an ongoing event(ure) - in which (from that high state, know) you will be returning to the high state of wholeness, eventually.
the impulse to incarnate was simultaneously alluring and almost, necessary.
ie., something more... to do.

at that time, it was'nt all about negative karmic debt. rather, that may've been secondary or the converse; to the primary desire to explore. to explore potentials of Self (and this did seem to apply in a collective sense).

one thing we all have is kundalini. and this Must be expressed in whatever way. or it will express itself....

now, we've got all these archaic esoteric systems like astrology, kabbalah, feng shui, i-ching etc.
and in them all there's alchemy - it needs some Time.
and what's central to alchemy? both kundalini, time and process. or pressure perhaps.

according to this traditional lore, suffering is default. {rather and subjectively perhaps, it's proportional to your ability to center. and what is really going on when you center!?}

here, it's noooo coincidence that Itzhak B. in his "stalking the wild pendulum" related that cool experiment with the clock.
...how the second hand appears to slow or stop when you imagine yourself somewhere else.
i did this tripping once. i swear the hand froze for what seemed over a full second. but it works straight to...

now one thing i was'nt astute or aware enough to discern was how this kundalini interacts with the higher selves in finer densities.
this has to be important. really, it may be the "chip off the old block" - as well. we are consciousness and this energy...where ultimately they combine in Ain Soph etc.

so...once you take on some kundalini...it's (alchemic etc) game time. feeding time to perhaps.
life feeds on life. the ultimate self perpetuating bootstrapping.

getting back to the beginning, this is what i mean about the Great One-ness...in the NOW moment.
we are or were Already "there". "evolution" is down here in the low lands. the great (mostly unconscious to us at least) alchemy.

we (for some fucking reason) step/incarnate/drop Into It...like stepping into an arena or athanor. oops!!!! - as the case may be.

why? if i'm already fine, what the fuck? the converse to what the fuck is...what the heck!

we've got a lot now about time lines and "ourselves in the future" (and black opp muck ups concerning all this).
who knows, mayhaps this is what i was seeing. my "future" self (in the Now : O.

esoteric tradition of course has the grand evolutionary spectrum or hierarchy. ie., mineral, plant, animal, man...up to suns, galaxies etc.
this might be where collectives come in. you can travel out but in most cases you'll be limited to you own kind's consciousness pool.

don't want to go on too long here. but i'm thinking of anomalous traits and gifts. like a piano or math wiz at 5 years of age. that's some kinda bleed though - not genes, imo at this time. again, a bleedthough from that place outside of saturn's domain. or timespace as they are calling it.

{this makes me wonder about the morphogenetic field theory. if so, most of us should be pros at this and that. this isn't the case. and you can't say it's only for evolutionary/survival traits.}

so if this is a great holographic Now. and spirit/higher densities/Selves are "outside" of shall we say, alchemic - saturnian spacetime....
as the Wizard of Oz asked the Lion, "Wellll!!!!?"

well, i guess that's why they used the symbol of the cross so much. spirit spitted on matter.

and did we made our own cross, to bear?

Peter · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Right back atcha!

Perhaps the question should be:

Are we a computer simulating a life?

Azoth · Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 684 Location: NSA Office

Alan Watt actually mentioned this very idea. he opines that these ideas (which did seem to crop up on line all of a sudden) are part of the programming towards nwo religion. this being more of a mind phuck.

so once again, from one angle it seems he's got too wide of a brush. or throwing out the baby.
truth and devil's details...

one speculation i wanted to clarify;

R. Monroe puts it nicely; gravity and achieving orbit.
meaning, from the physical to lower astral and on up the layers. TMI callls them focus levels. things you do or not to achieve "orbit" into the higher levels.
things You can do (now), or not to achieve these higher (ever lasting as they say) levels.

seems to me, in light of ideas from "forbidden" archeology and all the material on pre-cataclysmic peoples, that we've had multidimensional knowledge and capabilities for a very long time.

...if so, are we (only) now on the verge of a breakthough into higher consciousness and densitiy levels as a whole (to eventually... merge back into the great It)? 2012, the rapture, age of horus...

anyway, this Nowness (plus the Process) must tie into the reality of Cycles - as well as spheres. recursiveness as D. Winter puts it.

maybe it's earth's (or sol's etc) turn. still.

it still at least seems there's levels "outside" of all this. these higher densities are there, were there.

so in some way...that i've never ever seen mention in all the relative literature is how these higher realms/states Change. if they don't (seem to) change or evolve...what IS the point?

wait, i think Fintan did mention memory, within the sphere. gee, this might be the only place i've seen something like this. now that makes sense. glad i remembered before posting!

but what about when the universe winks out as they say they do - have done? guess it doesn't matter to life forms.
just a little niggle that does'nt sit right.

well, Hail the Vanir!!!!!!!!

Azoth · Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 684 Location: NSA Office

where Is that edit button?

too many distractions. of course there's the akasha and collective unconscious...collecting more and more info.

but we've seen the reports (words really) where the akasha holds the future as well. and if it's a great NOW, why not?

enough for now.

Peter · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject:

The astral plane holds memories and as such is intemporal. It exists rather like a strip of film with the "memory" of events therein inscribed. After all, future memories need a place to stay too.... Shocked

Lets not forget that as ascendent beings, within our purpose it is our job to accept, transmit and integrate all forms of higher energy as the counterpoint to our ascension. Any time that we spiritualize our energy, we are just throwing it away (bathwater with the baby? lol).

Azoth · Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 684 Location: NSA Office

Fernando_the_First · Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 86

Fasten your seat-belts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hw6nY5DLTc

Fernando_the_First · Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 86

...and your seat is in the upright and locked position.

http://flyvr920.com/

Click on "watch the video" on the right side of the screen.

noplacebo · Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 155

are we living in a computer simulation? i would say someone is living, too much of their time in front of the computer. looks like the same old story, we need someone or something to be our god, yes we can co-opt the computer into this role "the sims in solipsism" we can go round and round in this argument and get absolutely knowhere,brilliant another great theory to anaesthitise ourselves with,but i just dont know why the greeks or romans didnt come up with this first?, oh maybe because then there would be no one to worship and give alms to,but then again that might be the attraction.