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Wu Li
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BY THE WAY.
A BUDDY of mine came by and brought the "Celestine Prophecy" movie to me last Saturday and I watched it with a bunch of friends who criticized it in it's entirety. What am I to make of this but sheer distraction or signal to leading events.
I do believe that we all must smile and follow the paths that best lead us towards our bliss.(I hate to sound like Joseph Campbell but what the heck  )
I'll sit by this tree, just watching for you!
So as Sid Hartha waited, we may also achieve greatness.
Best wishes to all 
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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SO, reading these posts I also came to a realization long ago that you must remember your dreams and also learn to distinguish between the cluttered metaphoric and the actual memories which I believe may be your process of remembering and coming to comparative conclusions.These help to lead towards your paths till the next secon or nano that may arrive.
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ormond wrote: | I've left out the part in which the soul encounters the plane of being beyond all this...the 'light' and 'tunnel' stuff...but according to the Book of the Dead hardly anyone who's ever lived has ever been ready to move into that level. Those who have are said to have either gone on into states we don't know, the ultimate 'next level', and a few return from universal compassion to incarnate as the handful of enlightened Bhodisatvas. For the rest of us, the pulls of the unquenched or regretted desires of the material world pull one back into incarnation.
No doubt due to the extraordinary perception of what consciousness consists of that the Tibetan culture worked out during centuries of living too remote for the wars and chaos of China and India to reach them, the pre-Mao Tibetan peasants understood a lot of this, and children remembering past villages and recognizing people and objects has been relatively common compared to the rest of the world. Even with such cultural advantage of acceptance and deeper understanding of the phenomena, it was still only a very small percentage of the population who would recall a past life.
Paula Hayes is a rare exception for not just remembering those few crucial moments with such clarity, but I can tell that she never felt any glamour or ego wishful thinking about dreaming or flashes of memories, to her it was even disturbing, since past life memories tend to be of what killed you. Or some regretted heinous harm one caused in life. Not wonderful moments of self-aggrandizement or joy. Her need to find out more about it has been from a direct need to know the truth of it, I think, so she can put it to rest and not be disturbed by wondering what really happened in the past.
In pursuing this research with such discerning interest in only the verifiable connections of it, she's discovered that bonds in life do influence where and in what circumstances and around whom she's returned. And that's good confirmation for the rest of us on how we 'work'. |
Well Stated in terms I could not create in words "Ormond".
This reincarnation may be our way of eternal "Bliss" which may be the never ending cycle that may be extinguuished in levels till the "Next Level" as well? 
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Ormond
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Wu Li:
I also came to a realization long ago that you must remember your dreams and also learn to distinguish between the cluttered metaphoric and the actual memories which I believe may be your process of remembering and coming to comparative conclusions. |
That's right, but even further, memory is the obstacle to 'second sight'. Thought is the obstacle.
It's a different way of knowing. Words here, but I'm sure you know what I mean and have done it.
A genuine past life dream, clairvoyant, or clairaudient dream or waking realization isn't a replay of what's stored in your neurons. There is another mechanism for it, and one can learn to tell the difference without any doubt.
I don't know how to explain or describe it, but here's a simple excercise to learn how to tell.
Close the eyes and try to keep the field you 'see' with closed eyes just black nothing. Try thinking of nothing.
Within seconds thoughts and vague images appear to consciousness. This stuff is nothing but memory kicking up, mixed up with random thoughts. It's nothing but mental debris, gibberish. The trick is getting that to stop for a few moments so one can glimpse cleared awareness. With some practice, anyone can get better at getting the mind and visual field to remain blank for as long as ten or more seconds.
I don't think one has to be a Zen Stone Commando who can sit for hours with no memory chatter or thoughts at all, the thing to catch is that brief moment when things are blank for a few seconds, and be aware once it's started up again.
In observing that blankness, and noticing how easily thought returns, is the key to discovering how to tell the difference between memory chatter and imagination...and real vision.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Wu Li wrote: | | I do not believe in Paradox you must know. This to me is a creation of man or ignorance thereof. |
Wu Li: Hope all is well with you.
Regarding the quote above, I will be brief:
Excuse Me?
Don't believe in paradox?
Surely, you can't be serious... |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Ormond wrote: | | In observing that blankness, and noticing how easily thought returns, is the key to discovering how to tell the difference between memory chatter and imagination...and real vision. |
As you know, most people spend their entire lives avoiding coming anywhere close to this.
For those people, the fear of 'blankness' is the outcome they fear the most - frozen blank in a meeting, or giving a speech, or whatever it is they fear. They KNOW that experience will result in the frozen blank, where they feel helpless and certainly anything but empowered or enlightened.
They of course do not understand that the 'blankness' you are talking about is not the same as being 'frozen blank' but without knowing how to differentiate those thoughts and too afraid to think about it, it is the unexplored life that is all too often lived.
Too many times I have had someone come right out and say, "I don't want to think about that." It is painful to hear that, because it is sooo rooted in fear that they have no awareness of whatsoever.
Reminds me of Seinfelds joke that most people fear public speaking more than they fear death; that means at a funeral they would rather be in the coffin than giving the eulogy.  |
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| DrewTerry wrote: | | Wu Li wrote: | | I do not believe in Paradox you must know. This to me is a creation of man or ignorance thereof. |
Wu Li: Hope all is well with you.
Regarding the quote above, I will be brief:
Excuse Me?
Don't believe in paradox?
Surely, you can't be serious... |
Hey! 
Paradox HUH?
Even the word implies HUH?
Of what are we?
Or are we of?
Simple impurities in the creation of words.
How can we make sense of this?
I do believe that sometimes we chase ghosts.
I do believe sometimes we chase dreams.
Isnt that the point behind these discussions?
I may not display all the facts but I try to spark innnovation within all participating.
BY THE WAY
I still do not believe in Paradox!
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| DrewTerry wrote: | | Ormond wrote: | | In observing that blankness, and noticing how easily thought returns, is the key to discovering how to tell the difference between memory chatter and imagination...and real vision. |
As you know, most people spend their entire lives avoiding coming anywhere close to this.
For those people, the fear of 'blankness' is the outcome they fear the most - frozen blank in a meeting, or giving a speech, or whatever it is they fear. They KNOW that experience will result in the frozen blank, where they feel helpless and certainly anything but empowered or enlightened.
They of course do not understand that the 'blankness' you are talking about is not the same as being 'frozen blank' but without knowing how to differentiate those thoughts and too afraid to think about it, it is the unexplored life that is all too often lived.
Too many times I have had someone come right out and say, "I don't want to think about that." It is painful to hear that, because it is sooo rooted in fear that they have no awareness of whatsoever.
Reminds me of Seinfelds joke that most people fear public speaking more than they fear death; that means at a funeral they would rather be in the coffin than giving the eulogy. |
This is a most common occurrence. (Above, last stated )
Unfortunate! 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Wu Li wrote: | | DrewTerry wrote: | | Wu Li wrote: | | I do not believe in Paradox you must know. This to me is a creation of man or ignorance thereof. |
Wu Li: Hope all is well with you.
Regarding the quote above, I will be brief:
Excuse Me?
Don't believe in paradox?
Surely, you can't be serious... |
Hey!
Paradox HUH?
Even the word implies HUH?
Of what are we?
Or are we of?
Simple impurities in the creation of words.
How can we make sense of this?
I do believe that sometimes we chase ghosts.
I do believe sometimes we chase dreams.
Isnt that the point behind these discussions?
I may not display all the facts but I try to spark innnovation within all participating.
BY THE WAY
I still do not believe in Paradox!
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OK - I need to ask you for clarification on the meaning you intend to convey that you do not believe?
Rest assured at this point no matter what it is I know this will be interesting for further discussion.
For myself, the paradox is the only way to make sense of the senseless.
Thank you!
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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I am simply suggesting that a paradox in theory may be based on beliefs that do not hold water.
The fear that is exibihited by this is nothing more than more fiction created by our train of thought.
Even if it was true that we may travel in time and affect ourselves as we live now, wouldnt it be the case that the universe would correct for this?
I say that we have unlimited potentiality.
There is a never ending process at place which we may have no business contemplating. (I do believe it has been noticed by many scientist in the study of fractals such as the Fibonacci spiral and Mandelbrot set!)
Even if we choose to do so I do believe we will run short and limit our potential.
Is it for us to create limitations (through mind and life experiences) or shall we challenge the boundaries by which we are set?
This is my thoughts on this matter.
We tend to be stiffled by words of our creation but must understand that the process of evolution helps us in this creation.
I will create new words and new paradigms.
That is my point.
Sounds simplistic but holds true to the idea of creation.
We will never understand everything because everything constantly changes below our feet.
I love this concept.
Fixed variables with no fixed variance.
DOH!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Lastly I would like to ask a few questions.
Are there bacteria that are square or rectangle?
Are all bacteria created in a circular configuration?
Just to let you know I live in a rectanguler structure.
I am not a cell!
Am I in harmony with my surroundings?
Isnt this what we should strive for?
All we see is created as such but yet we tend to create structures which are slow moving such as crystals or rock.
To me this does not bode well for us as creation.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Wu Li -- How about this one?
| Quote: | | "Not everything that can be counted - counts; not everything that counts - can be counted." (A. Einstein) |
Some Lao Tse favories:
| Quote: | 65
The ancient Masters
who understood the way of the Tao,
did not educate people,
but made them forget.
Smart people are difficult to guide,
because they think they are too clever.
To use cleverness to rule a country,
is to lead the country to ruin.
To avoid cleverness in ruling a country,
is to lead the country to prosperity.
Knowing the two alternatives is a pattern.
Remaining aware of the pattern is a virtue.
This dark and mysterious virtue is profound.
It is opposite our natural inclination,
but leads to harmony with the heavens. |
| Quote: | 70
My words are easy to understand
and easier to put into practice.
Yet no one in the world seems to understand them,
and are not able to apply what I teach.
My teachings come from the ancients,
the things I do are done for a reason.
Because you do not know me,
you are not able to understand my teachings.
Because those who know me are few,
my teachings become even more precious. |
| Quote: | 78
Water is the softest and most yielding substance;
yet nothing is better than water,
for overcoming the hard and rigid,
because nothing can compete with it.
Everyone knows that
the soft and yielding
overcomes the rigid and hard,
but few can put this knowledge into practice.
Therefore the Master says:
"Only he who is the lowest servant of the kingdom,
is worthy to become its ruler.
He who is willing to tackle the most unpleasant tasks,
is the best ruler in the world."
True sayings seem contradictory;
contradictory sayings seem true. |
| Quote: | 81
True words do not sound beautiful;
beautiful sounding words are not true.
Wise men don't need to debate;
men who need to debate are not wise.
Wise men are not scholars,
and scholars are not wise.
The Master desires no possessions.
Since she does for the people,
she has more than she needs.
The more she gives to others,
the more she has for herself.
The Tao of Heaven nourishes by not forcing.
The Tao of the wise person acts by not competing. |
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Wu Li
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Hey DREW,
You are a whip
I tend to forget posts but I do not forget my ideals.
I choose to slag of words that I consider skeptical to me because they tend to muddle debate.
Conclusions based on these creations tend to lead towards false conclusions.
This is just as I see it.
It reminds me of discussions of Communism/socialism VS. Democracy.
Same thing
Just created words of someone or some people who wish all to be divided.
These words can create or they can destroy.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, HEY! What's this business about not believing me? Who doubts my existence? I'll paradoxically doubt your existence as well!
A tad more seriously, a paradox is a flaw of logic exposed, not in the sense of ad hominem or reducio ad absurdum, but a flaw within logic itself. The only way to break away from that is to use intuition. That's it.
"All Canadians are liars. I'm Canadian."
If you follow that logically, you end up in a loop. So, intuition kicks in and says:'Stop! Paradox!' before your brain becomes putty.
Not all paradoxes are so easily broken.
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