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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Nice one Reply with quote

Great post. Need to study it though.

Some kind of graphic would be great.

But it sounds workable.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Shaking of building before collapse Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi FaxMam, i'd say that's suggestive of infrasound/ground shockwaves reaching the camera tripod (if used), but i would expect the wave to hit the camera after the collapse started proper, i think you would see the building collapse not long before that shockwave travelled that distance, whether or not it was an airborne or solid structure wave

but that's just my guess really


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think it's deffo camera shake, coz if you look at a fixed reference, like the 'wire' at bottom left, that shakes, too. Now, as to what caused the camera to shake, that's a different matter - could have been someone running (or even walking) near the tripod the camera was on. Wonder if this was pro footage? They tend to have sturdier tripods, usually...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've moved past mere nukes as the main culprit for all the missing building parts. Particle beam and microwave weaponry is just so much more "sexy" to me now.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/

Check out the whopping mp3's on this chick!

(gotta luv them there connotations)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=7444&st=1575&#entry117277
NEU-FONZE Posted: Aug 21 2006, 11:55 PM

What the demolitionists leave out of their arguments about the timing of the aircraft impacts vs. the timing of the "seismic events" of 9/11, is the fact that there are many seismic signals associated with a particular impact event. There are

P-waves,
S-waves,
Horizontal shear waves, and
Retrograde elliptical waves.
(hese generally have different velocities of propagation.)

The P-waves are the fastest and arrive at a seismographic observatory first.

In the case of the WTC collapse you need to be VERY careful about which seismographic waves you are talking about BEFORE you start talking about timing discrepancies............

But ... but ... I am tempted to ask ... What if one is standing IN FRONT of a seismic observatory?? Wouldn't the waves arrive at ME FIRST? Cleverly anticipating a likely cheeky rebuttal that the waves slipped 'round me somehow ... I SWALLOWED a seismic observatory ... in the course of this bold experiment several odd disturbances were recorded ... distance to epicenter being the only distance that can be determined without progressive triangulation ... waves of the type one would rather not describe ... in the end: either nothing of significance was noted ... or, I had simply neglected to write it down ... how to tell which? What -- if any -- be the difference, between the tears of scientist and clown?

God grant me the serenity to neglect to mention the many things yet to come to my attention.

But... but... What if...all the missing parts were there after all...we just failed to notice them? And haven't realized it yet? Perhaps this has already happened -- every time I become confused in wonder, people say "no wonder you're confused."

After years of stumblling and cursing about wearily in the dark -- grazing and impacting objects that were not there a moment before -- one day it hit me: Just how did I know these objects were not there a moment before?? I'd been doing it for years! But it was dark, I was tired, tossing the realization aside, I mumbled and moved on.

The next object jutted out sharply just below the waist. Ill prepared for my ruthless counter-attack, leaning back, locked wrists applied lift, a shove to upset its balance with the sole of a foot. It toppled nicely with a satisfying thud, surprising objects gathered behind and beside it, clattering movements all around. It is best to press forward quickly for maximum adventage in moments of weakness, not dwell on the risk of defeat. Leaving out a bit of dreary detail: it would have been better to press slowly, that I might gain a bit of time to note that failure can happen even if it is not an option. There was maximum advantage, true enough, but the it clearly wasn't mine.

When a dramatic curse of fate is called for one fixes gaze on the heavens, swings fist and spirit with total abandon -- in brute defiance, one may unravel life's greatest mysteries, one may conquer all. A final desperate lunge of raging fury, screaming triumph -- I felled the mystery of the moment, always by far greatest mystery of all:

"If life was really really clever.... where would it want to put a wall?"

The triumph carried away by the tempest, long did lingering scream hold fast. After time beyond reckon, silence and stillness gather in the darkness; then a blissful moment when all was past.

Another moment -- for the moment -- safe even from myself, safe at last.

That was fun, I said to myself. So we turned on the lights and did it again. This time with a Sony Walkmen.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Hocus Locus will develop his minimal hypothesis for the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 - no exotic weapons, not even thermite/thermate (he approves of Prof Jones but ignore his experimental detection of thermite. Hmm. Where's the consistency in that?). Then, when some real expert informs him that no amount of conventional explosives could have turned so much steel into smoke and dust to account for all the missing steel girders at Ground Zero but, instead, could only have broken them up into small pieces, he will, surely, have to admit that taking the safe, conservative approach as though you were a scientist studying some natural phenomenon, simply does not cut it. It may keep people happy with simple answers who have been convinced by other reasons. But it may not amount to the truth. And that is the case here, I suggest.

At least Prof Wood has the courage, if not the smoking gun evidence, to go against the grain of thinking in the 9/11 truth movement and to point out that neither conventional explosives NOR thermite can explain the degree of pulverisation of the two buildings that photos and videos show. She realises, even if some of you don't, that there is no point trying to prove that 9/11 was an inside job on the basis of a minimal set of assumptions if in reality they are inadequate because they don't account for all the evidence. Cherry-picking of evidence to fit the theories one favors is unscientific, being done solely for personal reasons, viz., to conform to what one perceives is the popular view of the collapse of the towers so that one does not become ostracised as an outsider. That's why people here who deny the possibility that exotic weapons were deployed on 9/11 without offering sound reasons for their scepticism are naive and unscientific. For them, conforming to '9/11 orthodoxy' is more important than establishing the truth, however unpopular or bizarre it may prove. No one can deny that hypothesizing the use of little-understood, classified weapons such as high-energy beams makes investigating the possibility of their use very difficult, quite apart from being hard for most people to accept. But, if scientists had always took the view that a theory should be ignored merely because it is hard to test or is unpopular with other scientists, there would have been far less progress in understanding the world. So mindless, knee-jerk reactions and character assassination of those who advance ideas that one finds unpalatable is not only unscientific but childish. But then who said 9/11 truthers were any different than the rest of the plebs?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

micpsi wrote:
when some real expert informs him that no amount of conventional explosives could have turned so much steel into smoke and dust to account for all the missing steel girders at Ground Zero but, instead, could only have broken them up into small pieces

Some real experts were watching on 9/11 and got the impression of demolition. You can bet conventional explosives were on their minds then. No steel was 'missing' at Ground Zero. At least not until it was trucked away.

Don't get me wrong, I love unorthodox, exotic weapons technologies. I'm using one right now: reason.

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... ... But, if scientists had always took the view that a theory should be ignored merely because it is hard to test or is unpopular with other scientists, there would have been far less progress in understanding the world. So mindless, knee-jerk reactions and character assassination of those who advance ideas that one finds unpalatable is not only unscientific but childish. But then who said 9/11 truthers were any different than the rest of the plebs?

Just trying to make connections. I am not a '9/11 troother', my friend. All this postulate is giving me a troothache. Thanks for your comment.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

micpsi wrote:
So Hocus Locus will develop his minimal hypothesis for the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 - no exotic weapons, not even thermite/thermate (he approves of Prof Jones but ignore his experimental detection of thermite. Hmm. Where's the consistency in that?).


I will support the minimal hypothesis for the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 until those hypothesis have been eliminated as possible cause, starting with the simplest and only working toward the more complicated, once the simpler have been eliminated. Hocus is correct to analyse the simple first and I'll defend him because his is consistent with engineering logic and historical experience. Complicated solutions to simple mechanical problems like collapsing 100+ floors buildings will typically result in unpredictable failures.

The engineered collapse of buildings is a science that envelopes repeatability properties to the Nth degree possible. Every part of the plan must be repeatable, like a well designed machine, to be predictable. The best tool is always the simplest tool because unpredictable complications can be factored out.

That logic is why we have engineered a simple tool called a hammer to perform the simple task of manually driving nails. Any more complicated machine or device would cause the human to fail at a higher rate while driving nails. The high speed nail gun is an example of unnecessary complexity; sure, the nail gun can drive more nails per minute than a human can, but even the best engineered nail gun will fail often and unpredictably. A hammer never fails.

Simple.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: 22ND FLOOR, NORTH TOWER: SPECIFICALLY TARGETED? Reply with quote

22ND FLOOR, NORTH TOWER: SPECIFICALLY TARGETED?
NOTE: This is undergoing some revision, please reserve comment. See
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17519#17519


It was vital to the operation that no one could access the roof, to prevent public expectation of a roof-rescue. An aerial rescue operation would place helicopters, news cameras and public attention too close to the buildings.

Blow the elevator doors on 22FLNT specifically at the moment of plane impact -- and elevator shaft blast wave and fireball has a least-resistence path into the 22nd floor, where the SCC was (CCTV, roof door electrics, personnel). If these systems were disabled by other means anyway, (greatest assurance) the fireball path into 22FLNT would provide an extra layer of cover so there could be some semblance of an official 'planes-only explanation'.

For this to succeed the official investigation must fail to note (or note, but fail to consider) the evidence that unusual occurences on 22FLNT, structural damage and elevator damage specific to that floor, challenge the assertion that only plane-related events occured on that day.

The SCC on 22FLNT was enclosed by an inner wall and secure door, which was blocked, security cameras in the hall. 22FLNT hallway was used as a staging area for FDNY because early on its door was open. Adjacent floors were 'no reentry' and needed to be forced for inspection. So there are several reports of meetings and conditions around 22FLNT.

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(from PA radio transcripts)
FEMALE A: (Inaudible), this is the SCC, S2! The SCC, S2, there's an emergency upstairs! There is an emergency up ...
(DIAL TONE IN BACKGROUND)
MALE: Help! I need ambulance service!
MALE: Emergency! Another plane ... (Inaudible)
FEMALE A: There's a fire outside of 22! There's a fire on 22!
MALE: Send an engine to Liberty Street! (Inaudible) the building! A plane just the building!
MALE: On the upper floors.
MALE : (VERY FAINT) Fire on 22, where? A or B Tower? A or B Tower? MALE: (Inaudible) Tower (Inaudible) too,
I can see it! (STATIC)
MALE: It's all the way on top of the World Trade Center!
FEMALE A: The SCC, 77.
MALE: What's (Inaudible)? What's going on?
FEMALE A: We see a lot of debris. We are stuck in the ... we are stuck on 22, at the SCC. The door is locked. There is a fire.

GENE RAGGIO: S4 to SCC.
GENE RAGGIO: How are you doing up there?
FEMALE: Urn, we're okay. I've blocked the doors with some wet tissue. And that sucks up some of the smoke. But we still can't get out.
(ALARMS HEARD IN BACKGROUND)
GENE RAGGIO: Okay, and (Inaudible)? (AUDIO IN AND OUT)
FEMALE: We have, uh, the cameras running on all the perimeter outside. (PAUSE) GENE RAGGIO: Repeat?
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: We have all the cameras up on the outside perimeter. When ... when the, uh, smoke detectors set off, that means the smoke subsided a little bit. We have the doors blocked with wet tissue.
GENE RAGGIO: Okay, we are working our way up to 22.
FEMALE TRAPPED ON 22ND FLOOR: That's a copy, thank you.

[22FLNT TENANT] http://web.archive.org/web/20011202160232/http://huemer.com/
First plane hit our building at 8:45. We decided to evacuate from the 22nd floor after 15 minutes. The delay was because we did not know the extent of the damage; part of the 22nd floor was sheared away and the corridor was blocked by fallen debris. Four of us decided it was better to try to get out than stay and wait to be rescued (in hindsight a good decision).

[NYFD JAMES CURRAN] -STc 22FLNT smoke cond (before the collapse of the South Tower)
"What's weird is that the smoke condition on the floors actually got worse on about the 22 floor"

[YAREMBINSKY] up/down StairB w/DESPERITO[d,evac]
When we got to 22, we heard there was a Port Authority command post on 22. So we were stopped there. My officer wanted to find out some information, my officer Lieutenant Andy Desperito. He went over to the command post. We noticed in the hallway that the elevator shaft had been blown out. There was nothing there, no doors, no framing, nothing. When you looked down, all you saw was the cables for the elevator and the brick work that was surrounding.
Q. Was it burning?
A. No burning, no smoke coming out of it.

These elevator doors were blown in and down the shaft, not outwards like the lobby. Which means there was either a blast on 22FLNT itself, OR massive positive pressure had entered 22FLNT from another path. But why would a floor-spanning shaft explosion enter 22FL specifically? Hence my hypothesis that small charges were used to open a path into 22FLNT by blowing elevator door(s) in and down the shaft.

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[civillian, likely North Tower... MC=male caller STS=says
From the EMS log http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/EMSLog.pdf
09:04:24,""SUPPLEMENT-PD (T69) ----ANOTHER CALL---ANON MC STS TRAPPED ON FLR 22--- HOLE IN HALLWAY----SMOKE COMING IN-----UNABLE TO BREATHE-----MC STS WILL BREAK WINDOW ---- OPR 2235 CP 69+

[Firefighter LONG] on 22FLNT
We made it up to the 22nd floor. We stood there for a couple minutes. I believe Andy Desperito talked to the battalion through the fire warden phones. We did locate somebody at the end of the hall, but everything was blown out. The ceiling had fallen. The drop ceiling had blown to the floor. Some of the walls were blown out. So Andy and I had crawled down the hallway to get to the Port Authority command post. After that we went back to the members, and when the building started to shake [=ST COLLAPSE] I don't remember anybody telling us to get out, but there was a Port Authority person with us and I believe he had orders to leave. Again, I think that's maybe why we were going. Let me see what else.
Q. Do you know what stairway it was?
A. I believe it was B. Again, I was watching every person coming down, looked at their face, just to make them happy that they were getting out and we were going in and everything was okay. We were also with 16 Engine on the 22nd floor. When the building shook [=ST COLLAPSE], I was right next to an elevator shaft with Andy, crawling down the hallway. I was waiting for a flame to come up from the basement because I believed something in the basement blew up. Nothing like that happened, so I was waiting for a flame to come down from a plane. Nothing like that happened. Still at that time I never knew that the south tower had gone down. I guess at that time we talked to the Port Authority. I believe he had to leave, so I think we were going as well.

[Wall Street Journal 23-Oct 2001] -- WHY NO ROOF?
On Sept. 11, falling debris knocked out the 22nd-floor security center's equipment just after the plane hit, says Mr. Reiss, who is still with the Port Authority and was helping with the transition to new management that took over the complex in July. The guards, who had to be rescued themselves, couldn't have buzzed anyone through to the roof. Even after the building's electricity was cut off, internal batteries in the electromagnetic locks would have kept the doors closed for several hours, Mr. Reiss says.

Reiss' explanation seems like a whitewash. Drop ceilings fell all through the building and the inner door was definately blocked, but using 'falling derbis' to describe the disabling of control systems? Clearly something happened there, 21 floors above the lobby, something that demands investigation. People operated in the SCC for at least ~30 minutes under increasing smoke conditions before they were rescued. What was that blast pressure doing on 22FLNT?

Firefighters were systematically checking floors... let's visit the floor below, 21FLNT. I realize it is looking for omission, but note lack of damage reports:

Quote:
[firefighter W.MERA]
So we got up to the 22nd, threw our gear down, dropped back down to the 21st and forced the door.
Q. It was clear?
A. Clear as day. We started to search. We searched every room in there. I remember forcing one door, beautiful mahogany doors, beautiful trim, taking off the little trim between the doors and I'm thinking to myself, wow, this is a beautiful door, because you can do some damage to this, you know. The search was negative. There was nobody anywhere. As soon as we got done, it must have been -we started by the C. We worked our way around. We passed a couple of other stairwells. At the time I didn't know what letter they were. I was in the back room, it must be the northeast corner, and some guys must have been on the southeast corner, when all of a sudden the building shook. [=ST COLLAPSE] I've never been in an earthquake, but it couldn't have been any worse than that, any major earthquake. It just shook the building like I just couldn't believe. I mean, it was really bad. We stopped a second, looked at each other, what's going on here? We come out. Another guy comes from another room, let's go, let's go in the stairwell. We start going to the stairwell. The other guys closest to the south tower started coming out. The guys who were with me that day, my chauffeur was Artie Riccio from 119, I had Mike Brodbeck, who was the can that day, he was from 210, he was doing a mutual. Artie was on overtime. I had Dave Sandvik. I forget what position he had. I had Mike Beehler, who was a proby at the time, he had the irons, and I had Paul Hyland. So Dave was with me at the time. I forget who else came out of the other room closest to us. But I had Paul Hyland and Artie and Mike might have been down on the south side. So when we were going to the stairwell, we were yelling get to the stairwell. They came out. It turned out to be very fortunate. We were all headed towards the stairwell. We never actually made it in. We just hit the ground and got close and it shook for a long time. [=ST COLLAPSE] I know Artie went back into the room, I think, with Mike, and when they went back into their room by the south side, all the windows were broken out and there was a lot of glass everywhere and debris and so on. So luckily they got to the hallway before the glass went and they could be injured by that.

It was a partitioned floor, while they were in the hallway on 21FLNT (elevation above street level ~250feet) ST collapsed, breaking in exterior windows, so when they reentered the spaces they'd been moments before, they saw pressure damage from the cloud outside. Note 'somewhat-pristine' condition of this floor before that.

There is an indication that one elevator worked in North Tower, one of cars 30CAR-35CAR that served floors 17-24 with a 'flying shaft' (no elevator doors) from 02-23. These are 'zone locals', whose shafts did not extend to impact level. Its operation and an intact and working door is implied by the following,

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There was kind of a little chaos. We didn't know really where we were going to go, guys were deciding to take elevators, not to take elevators. There was a security guy there who said, actually, I can get you up on an elevator if you want to follow me. So we went with 22 Engine, 13 Truck and us, walked I'd say about maybe 100 feet. We went through like a turnstile. But what he was actually doing is he actually led us through the lobby of the hotel into the north tower. We were actually, you could say, in the wrong tower at that point. They went up. I actually had the control that day and 22 Engine went up. The elevator came back down, 13 got on and said, listen, if you guys want the elevator, we're not coming back with it. You've got to send somebody up. The officer actually said for me to give my radio to a senior guy there, Louie Cacchioli, and he took the radio off of me and he went up. We were waiting in I guess like a little almost like a cutout area of the lobby, an elevator bank. One elevator was only working out of like four elevators in that bank. The door closed, they went up, and it just seemed a couple seconds and all of a sudden you just heard like it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came and my officer just actually took all of us and just threw us down on the ground and kind of just jumped on top of us, laid on top of us. There were rocks falling and all that. The lights were still on at that point and all of a sudden the lights went out and you couldn't see anything. At this point, there's a guy from my firehouse on his way up in the elevator. They got up to the 22nd floor and 13 Truck got off the elevator. He said to the guy -- this is before the actual collapse happened. He said to him stay here with us, stay here with me, because if this elevator closes, I don't have any tools. As soon as he said that, the elevator closed and that's when the actual collapse of the building happened. He made his way out into a stairwell and he made his way down.

When he says "that's when the actual collapse of the building happened" he's referring to ST. At ST collapse there was total power loss in the complex.

What about 23FLNT, the floor above? This person is not sure (23,21) at first, but seems to clarify as 23. But there is confusion in here, he mentions taking an elevator to 8. From my understanding there was no 8FLNT stop, a two story mechanical room spanned 7-8. Lobby top mezzanine 6FLNT, first tenant floor 9FLNT.

Quote:
[firefighter M.BRODBECK]
We went up to the mezzanine, and we took an elevator. The chief said that these elevators were all right. We took the elevator which I believe goes up to eight. We got off at eight and proceeded to walk up to 23. We stopped on 23, and then we went up to 25. Then we made our way back down. So we were either on 23 or 21. I don't know. I don't remember that. I think it was 23. The lieutenant gave us instructions to make a thorough search, pop all the doors, make sure everybody is out of the building. Me and the irons man went. I left my can and I took the Halligan. He had the router tool. We probably popped at least 10 or 15 doors making a search.
Q. On what floor?
A. On 23 or 21. I'm still confused about that. I believe it was 23.
At this point after we made a thorough search, we located together via the stairwell.

[...]

Q. When you were on the 23rd floor doing a search, what were the conditions?
A. Fine. Nothing up there.
Q. No smoke? No sign of water flowing anywhere?
Q. The stairwell dry?
A. The stairwell was dry. No water.
Q. Do you remember what stairwell you were in?
A. I believe B.
Q. B?
A. We came down B. From what I understand, it was the only one that was not obstructed. It was a good thing we were going down B. When we were going up, there didn't seem to be that many firemen. I believe we were probably one of the first 15 units on the scene. We got there pretty quick. I happened to see that thing on CNN from 7 Engine. They were on 21. I didn't see them. I'm pretty sure it was 23 that we were on. There's a lot of doors. We popped a ton of doors, looking for people. To be honest with you, I remember looking out the window and seeing that command post on West Street, thinking it wasn't a good idea to be there. I've been on six years. When I looked down, it didn't seem like a real bright place to have one. Little things like that stuck out in my mind. When I looked out on that, I felt uncomfortable about that.

So according to these accounts we seem to have plenty of fireball and pressure action on 22FLNT but no such anomaly for 21FLNT (pretty definite) and 23FLNT (possible).

This implies 22FLNT was targeted with specific intent to disable control systems. This exceeds the official 'planes-only' account and introduces a powerful 'false-flag' aspect. What are the motives?

1. Prevent roof access. (No rescues; Impetus for keeping helicopters and video cameras distant to prevent demolition evidence from being seen)
2. Prevent CCTV from being recorded (Why? To hide the ground/building activities of whom?)
3. Interfere with firefighting operations

Given the desire to prevent roof access, we have left the realm of 'terrorist' motive. Speculation is leading towards deliberate demolition. The small time window from impact to demolition requires that civilians above impact floors must be 'written off'.

Preventing roof access could only achieved successfully if:

1. Control systems are disabled
2. Helicopters and personnel capable (and eager) to land and blow roof doors (easy!) are told to stand down.

I suggest that this is the most critical stand-down of 9/11 to pursue.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a very important point, and is worth looking into

My first thought was WHICH ELEVATOR? There are 198 elevators between the two towers. Was the wall/door blown on one of the EXPRESS elevators, or a non-express? Something to look into.
(See GREEN or RED shafts on left)


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Passengers took non-stop express elevators from the ground floor to elevator lobbies on the 44th and 78th floors. There, they walked across a hall to smaller local elevators that went to higher floors. It could take five minutes to get from the ground floor lobby to the 105th floor.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002-09-04-elevator-usat_x.htm


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2 WTC was hit at 9:02 am by Flight 175 between the 85th and 77th floor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center


A coincidence that the plane hit exactly in the region where the green express elevator could travel directly (or RED passing through).
(WTC2 only.... WTC1, hit between 94th through 98th floors), again only about 10 floors up from the top of the highest point of "green" elevator, but RED goes right through this zone.

This point was brough up years ago, and glad it is being revisited.
As "fireballs" were reported to go down from the top to the sub-basement, and the question was "How did the fireball change elevators along the way". The only possible explanation was that it was an express elevator shaft.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=485459

So I guess the next questions I would ask next are:

Where were the express elevator shafts in relation to the planes impact?
Which side of the building were they closest to? (the sketch below shows express elevators closest to the bottom of the drawing. Which side (North/South/East/West) does this correlate to?.

Then compare the outward "puffs" in videos like below, to the side the building that the express elevators were on. This might lead nowhere, but it is worth a look.

See...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eag2WzAUJY
and/or higher rez
http://stage6.divx.com/content/show/1134882

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