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John Muir
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 Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: The Cold War was PSYOP. |
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The USSR was dependant upon the USA and other Western Powers for their technology. From beginning, the Soviet Union was dependent upon foreign technology to develop their nation. The Soviet Union and the threat it represented was the result of technological transfers from West to East. The Soviets were dependent upon the West and its technology in order to survive.
The USA built up the U.S.S.R. in order to destroy its greatest industrial competitor Germany and steal the colonies of France and Britain. In the 19th Century it became apparent that the two great industrial powers were America and Germany. By the middle of the 20th Century the USA was the sole superpower. The USA manipulated the politics of both Germany and Russia to create a opportunity to rule the World.
The Soviet Union was touted as “workers paradise”, but the reports of Western Intellectuals who harbored socialist sympathies contradicted any notion of their being a “paradise”. H.G. Wells visited the U.S.S.R. in 1935. He told Charlie Chaplin what he saw there. And it was not pretty. The U.S.S.R. was the enemy, yet it owed its existence to the technology it received from the USA. Two-thirds of all Soviet heavy industry was either built by Americans of with American assistance.
These technology transfers produced the weapons that the Soviets used to fight World War Two and the Cold War. The T-34 tank was based on a suspension that was invented in the USA. The Christie suspension was designed by Walter Christie. The U.S. Army rejected his design. But the Soviets developed it into the T-34 tank. It is arguably the best tank of the World War II.
*Many of the Russian-origin radicals deported to the USSR became quickly disillusioned by what they found in Communist Russia; others stayed and became loyal Soviet citizens until, in an ironic twist, Stalin had most of them shot as potential traitors by the NKVD in the Soviet purges of the 1930s. WIKIPEDIA |
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The "Green Peril": Creating the Islamic Fundamentalist Threat
by Leon T. Hadar, Cato Institute, August 1992
EXCELLENT Article
| Quote: | A New Cold War?
Indeed, "a new specter is haunting America, one that some Americans consider more sinister than Marxism-Leninism," according to Douglas E. Streusand. "That specter is Islam." The rise of political Islam in North Africa, especially the recent electoral strength of anti-liberal Islamic fundamentalist groups in Algeria; the birth of several independent Moslem republics in Central Asia whose political orientation is unclear; and the regional and international ties fostered by Islamic governments in Iran and Sudan are all producing, as Washington Post columnist Jim Hoagland put it, an "urge to identify Islam as an inherently anti-democratic force that is America's new global enemy now that the Cold War is over." |
Around 6 months after this article, mad Islamic terrorist bombers attacked the World Trade Center, led by an EVIL mastermind -- Mr. Emad Ali Salem -- an Egyptian Intelligence officer working on FBI payroll (alongside a Mossad agent named Guzie Hadas), hired to infiltrate the mosque, recruit terrorists, provoke the hostility, procure the materials, assemble the pieces, orchestrate the event planning, and see that the bombing was carried out. (He partly failed.) Salem himself was astonished when the FBI ordered LIVE EXPLOSIVES instead of fake powder. But the terrorist-patsy parked the truck too far away from the columns to produce the disaster the FBI had apparently anticipated. Only 6 people died. Nowhere near enough to start a world war.
Wikipedia mentioned a few things about Tehran, Potsdam, and other conferences.
1. Part of the plan was that the USA wanted to break up the empire of Great Britain, our ally, and realized that Germany was doing that, so if America did not help Britain maintain it's empire, then America would win! Therefore, help Stalin take more poiwer.
Sounds like more chessboard stuff.
2. Roosevelt was getting progressively weaker and more senile.
3. ANTI-comm people in the US (pro-Brit?) then accused Democrats of being "soft on communism".
So this sounds similar to America helping the Iranian Revolution (or at least allowing the inevitability of removing the Shah), then hiring Iraq to beat up Iran, with Israel arming it's ally Iran against Saddam, etc. F'ck'd up geo-strategy with a bunch of maniacs all trying to grab the chess pieces.
I'm not against the psyop treatment either, but the "knocking down Britain" theme was a new spin I had not heard before. |
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GOOD links, Freedomfiles.
marsboy683's Videos (he's got a series, trying to string them together for a documentary, not weirdo or religianiac stuff, Doug Valentine, etc.)
www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=marsboy683
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTE--9sPgPg
Phoenix Program Vietnam (#42)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMsOGWN_ts
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9TZDL4WqI
Cointelpro FBI (#24, 25)
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cosmic_cointelpro_1981.htm
When I searched for "PSI Tech", I get a weird Casseopia site with legit names photos and short biographies of ppl mentioned by Marsboy:
Col. John Alexander.
"Alexander is a friend of Vice President Al Gore Jnr, their relationship dating back to 1983 when Gore was in Alexander's Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)."
General Albert Stubblebine. Former head of the U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command (INSCOM) 1981-84.
But I ALSO get
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/people.html
Thomas Bearden (remember his "free energy" thing), and stuff like ufologist Victoria Lacas who is wife of Alexander.
Much more. Too weird. I did not think that COINTELPRO and Op Phoenix would be apparently legitimately linked to the study of aliens and ufo's, except for gen public psyop and diversion. |
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parallel interest, Operation Gladio
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14750#14750
BBC's "GLADIO" (1992 series)
From Google.video.co.uk
In addition THIS SITE has them for 45mb WMV downloads, MUCH easier to watch full screen
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/07/operation-gladio.html
more stuff was revealed and updated AFTER 1992 of course
I included a few more links to wikipedia and a Soviet studies thing
I still dont know that the entire USSR was a psyop, but I did hear crit (from Sutton) about how a genuine revolutionary spirit from below was betrayed. In that sense, I concur that the USSR was conceivably a psyop to discredit radicalism and crush workers, world wide.
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You ask questions like a Professor of Intl Affairs.
I have to look into this more later but:
Obviouisly, both speeches are Marketing, PR, blah blah.
the first one is given TO the military at Citadel
the 2nd at the Library dedicated to Cold Warrior Reagan (i.e. to Bush Sr. and his foreign policy people, Cheney, neocon)
I would have to say that Bush's choice of hiring Cheney and Poppy's Neocons (yeah, the nasty neocons) was intended to send an overt signal about American priorities, and considering the digestible presentation in Power of Nightmares, the Committee on the Present Danger, the "absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" theory in regards to threats, I'd say ALL this foreshadowed Sept 11, including these speeches.
We WERE forewarned. Me, at least, I just was not paying sufficient attention. And even if I had been, so long as I did not know about Gladio and then Northwoods popped out in 2001, I would not have made a direct connection between all those "New Pearl Harbor" (herewith "NPH") statements in the 90s and the resulting surprises. Yet, I would have recognized it SOONER. (In this sense -- I hate to say it -- Alex Jones was apparently talking about this long beforehand, but his mixing it up with incoherent Illuminati crap and Christianity is where he loses most people. I did find it interesting that the guy from Ordine Nuevo quoted in Gladio -- Vincenzo Vinciguerra -- spoke about secret societies, freemasons, and all that stuff that was part of his network.)
It may be quite POSSIBLE that Cheney did not know directly about Sept 11, at least not beforehand, but knew at that moment. For that to have been compartmentalized like Gladio -- where the top politicians (probably) did not necessarily know specifically about Ordine Nuevo and the stay-behinds, only that NATO and CIA were assisting with anti-comm activities, when Aldo Moro was clued in by a thinly veiled death threat from Kissinger for example -- this is somewhat possible.
In other words, it's possible and likely that the handlers GAVE Bush this foreign policy speech to make, and set the expectations in motion. THEN, black ops carries it out. The elected men did not necessarily have to order the black ops, and so therefore probably did not actually order it.
| ME! wrote: | I strongly suspect that Cheney is enough of a player that he would have been aware ahead of time. I doubt Cheney was out of the loop, nor Rumsfeld. None of the PNAC guys, Committee on Present Danger guys and all those, probably NONE were out of the loop, IMO, in all the planning and preparing leading up to the actual event.
How much they did promotion of POLICY trying to get decisions and spending lined up, vs. actual plans for moving "terrorists" around, vs. making the physical arrangements -- anyone's guess. I'm thinking of it like a MOVIE, which is what Fintan originally said in Wag.
www.serendipity.li/wot/psyopnews1.htm (not aware of these being on one of Fintan's sites)
www.serendipity.li/wot/psyopnews2.htm
www.Takeoverworld.info/WagWTC_plot_within_a_plot_part1.pdf
www.Takeoverworld.info/WagWTC_plot_within_a_plot_part2.pdf
You have your producers who go get the money from investors. You have a few movie directors who do not have to be bothered knowing exactly what the producers are arranging. You have your promo and hype people too. But you also have script writers, actors, extras, makeup, storyboard, etc. You have remote special effects studios. I'm not "in the biz" but this is how I understand that biz. Hell, look at the LONG rolling credits on large scale movie productions. (Think about those live performances where the distinction between the stage and seats, between the audience and actors, is blurred. I happened to find one called www.fuerzabruta.net , but Rocky Horror Picture Show, or even Circe de Soleil to a degree, or when Iggy Pop first started moshing and singing in the audience and inviting the audience on stage.)
I suspect that Bush would have been aware too, simply because he is the son of his father and his father is CIA, but not necessarily. That look on his face in the classroom, "ok, it's starting, gotta get ready to do the role". But it was not necessary that they know specifically, just that they know enough where not to dig and what response to take, what cues to take, what to say, how to massage the public and the military, and how to shift into the War on Terror. |
It's interesting that many of the promises Bush made to the military, they short-shrifted and lied them too. Body armor, pay cuts, medical benefits. Unfocused endless wars, all the stuff he "bashed" Clinton for.
Unsurprisingly, the expansionism of technology went through where perks for the grunts did not. "I respect the military's long traditions and culture ---- especially the culture of sacrifice and obeying orders, and so you must sacrifice more and you must take more orders, just trust me and my people and we'll transform your military."
I compare that to what Barnett says more plainly about transforming the military, a transformation in military affairs, an integrated global force for integrated economic affairs. For peace. Like it or not, peace ... dammit ... and shut up about it. Your choice:
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Barnett_160.avi
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Barnett_80.wmv
www.Takeoverworld.info/vid/Barnett_48.wmv
OH, that and democracy. Can't forget that.
| Quote: | | Were these Presidential priorities Bush mentioned plausible without a catalyzing event like 9/11, happening fairly early during this presidency ? |
Exactly what they had written:
Not so ambitious.
Slow changes, accompanied by widespread resistance, both in the public (resistance to human sacrifice -- a quote by Brzezinski by the way) AND within the lower ranks of the military and even some Generals, and/or other areas of bureaucratic resistance.
Pinprick attacks overseas leading to pinprick changes.
Bush was saying these changes will be UNPOPULAR but he intended to push for them. (He did not clearly state why they might be so unpopular, other than inertial resistance to change.)
I DO see how there was a LOT to overcome, not only the non-military public but across the military as well. It's kinda seamless to an extent, the military IS the public too. Pentagon workers are people too, who have to be convinced to go along.
My suspicion is there are a LOT of Karen Kwiatowski's who believe in the mythology of defending America from enemies and who take that literally about foreign threats -- and in theory in real politik, potential threats DO exist. I get how Bush's speechwriters had him pointing to FUTURE threats they would need to CONTAIN with diplomacy but NOT JUST diplomacy but also a WILLINGNESS to use conventional force, rather than rely on nukes later if war got out of hand, and then ONLY if America had a monopoly on nukes. (which they still sell, plus want to use conventionally)
From that pov, there is SOME truth to this wisdom of force, and everyone knows that. There is some truth to the wisdom of deterrence and order, otherwise we'd go for anarchy today. But they exaggerate it and stoke it, for reasons of politics, money, and power, as well as hegemony.
Did they HAVE to pull off 9-11? If they wanted to be that ambitious, they did!! It's probably graphed, charted, powerpointed. What we will be able to push through WITHOUT Sept 11 vs. what we will be able to do WITH Sept 11.
That's what should terrify those of the Leftist persuasion (like ME!) who can see the vision (described by Bush and by more doctrinaire Leftists) of a global interconnected democracy of trade and culture and peace. I'm not afraid that a "one world govt is all about Satan". I'm not knee-jerk terrified of global institutions to regulate global commerce, in principle.
That the people promoting this vision are WILLING and even EAGER to carry out PREMEDIATATED and ORCHESTRATED mass murder on innocent civilians -- even their own "subjects" -- if it's convenient and pragmatic, THAT part is scary. That -- despite what lip service Bush gave to global prosperity and democracy and using the IMF and World Bank to promote prosperity and not bailing out Bankers --- that they CRUSH any democratic resistance in it's infancy and that they ALWAYS FORCE structural adjustments and "reforms" down on the poor, THIS should all be terrifying. Even more, that the vast majority of Westerners probably still do not see it.
Interested in seeing what others see.
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John Muir
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Born Frederick Holmes Atwater. Lt. Atwater was the first operations officer of the Ft. Meade operational remote viewing unit.
He came to Ft. Meade in 1977 while still in his late twenties. While with the Systems Exploitation Detachment (SED), which was under control of the office of the assistant chief of staff for intelligence (ACSI), he suggested to the head of the SED, Col. Robert Keenan, that the Army develop a small, experimental group of psychics. (Schnabel, Jim, Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies, Dell, 1997, pg 11-3)
This shows how the U.S. Governement pulls off that fucking psychic bullshit. Just think what a person with the ability to wiretap someone could do to make them think that they are psychic etc. Ft. Meade is where the NSA runs its wiretaps operations. If you gave a stranger a dossier of another stranger. Then you really give that person with the information a leg up. It shouldn't be "remote viewers". It should be remote listeners. |
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| Quote: | | Obviouisly, both speeches are Marketing, PR, blah blah. |
Probably marketing, but the speeches show that Bush was already planning his campaign against terrorism and homeland defense even before he entered the Whitehouse ? |
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YES. I think that Clinton et al. makes similar speeches, though Clinton was "the economy, Stupid". I guess. I'd have to look up his speeches. Yes, Bush was for pushing through "revolution in military affairs", including domestic and global and IRAQ definitely was on his agenda.
Again, I think they are honest when they (pre-) describe Sept 11 as an "accelerant". |
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Regarding psyops in the cold war of course the Gladio network is very interesting. An exhaustive list of articles related to Gladio can be found here :
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?390.post
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3777.post
Other subjects of interest which are closely connected to Gladio and Cold-War Psyops and which have not been discussed as much as the Gladio network are imho :
- The World Anti-Communist League (WACL)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Communist_League
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/wacl.php
- The Unification Church
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/ucm.php
(see also zapruder link at the end of the article for more resources)
- Heritage Foundation
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heritage_Foundation
- Richard Mellon Scaife / Conservative Sister Foundations (funding network for conservative front organisations)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_Mellon_Scaife
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Scaife_Foundations
http://www.mediatransparency.org/funderprofile.php?funderID=3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/395
To make it short, Richard Mellon Scaife is an American Billionaire who is closely connected to the psyops in The Cold War. His father, together with Bush Sr, was one of the founding members of the OSS/CIA. Through a network of foundations, he is funding a large part of the American (neo) conservative movement, including most organisations which were active in both the cold war and the war on terrorism (Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, and numerous others).
Another group involved in this funding network is the Unification Church, led by Reverend Sun Myung Moon. His religious (?) organisation was founded in 1954 and is staunchly anti-communist. The Unification Church not only invests in political organisations, but also in other religious movements such as the Christian Coalition / Religious Right network in the United States, working with people like Tim Lahaye (Left Behind Series) and Evangelist Jerry Falwell, and is also trying to expand it's influence in the United Nations. Furthermore Moon owns media corporations such as the Washington Times and United Press International (UPI).
During the Cold War, Scaife and Moon were closely connected to the World Anti-Communist League, which was one of the most active groups behind the Gladio network. Moon also has very good relations with the Whitehouse, and was one of the first people to use the "New World Order" ideology since the mid-seventies of last century.
Both Scaife and Moon were also leading funders of the anti-Clinton movement, resulting in the Arkansas project and the Lewinsky-gate scandal. Amongst others the Kenneth Starr investigation was heavily influenced by them.
For a list of resources related to the Unification Church and it's political network, see :
http://www.zapruder.nl/portal/pending/nwo_de_politieke_activiteiten_van_de_moonies_bronmateriaal/unpublished_preview
(comments are in Dutch, but you can ignore them, I'm making a list of resources in preparation for an article I want to write).
| Quote: | | Again, I think they are honest when they (pre-) describe Sept 11 as an "accelerant". |
From a psychological point of view, I guess 9/11 was necessary to change the mindset of the American public from peace-mode to war-mode to give a simplified explanation ?
There was an interesting article published by James Lindsay called "The New Apathy - How an uninterested public reshapes US Foreign Policy", which was released during the summer of 2000, and which described this issue.
He argued that it might be necessary to introduce a new "threat to US national security" (9/11?) as well as a recession (Enron, Worldcom, 9/11 Economical Effect?) to regain the support of the American public for the governments foreign policy objectives.
Here's the original article. In the article, Lindsay stated :
| Quote: | THE WASTELAND
Apathetic internationalism is reshaping American foreign policy in three ways.
First, it encourages politicians, who naturally gravitate toward issues that matter to the public, to neglect foreign policy.
Second, apathetic internationalism empowers squeaky wheels.
Third, apathetic internationalism makes it harder for presidents to lead.
The decline in congressional deference has accompanied a growing politicization of foreign policy, for the same basic reason. When the public is engaged, foreign policy is a risky way to score political points; demonizing opponents and exaggerating policy differences energizes core supporters but alienates less fervent voters. But when the public is disengaged, foreign policy becomes -- to paraphrase Clausewitz -- the continuation of domestic politics by other means.
KEEPING THE FAITH
The key to fighting apathetic internationalism is persuading the public to act on its internationalist preferences. If politicians believe they will be rewarded for defending broad interests and penalized for tending to narrow ones, they will pay more heed to foreign policy, and squeaky wheels will lose out to a not-so-silent majority.
But how to raise the political stakes in foreign policy? A renewed threat to American security would clearly do the trick. So might a recession.
Just as people appreciate the wonders of indoor plumbing only when it breaks down, tough economic times will drive home to many Americans just how much their prosperity depends on an internationalist foreign policy.
Even under the best of circumstances, however, civil society can do only so much. The ultimate responsibility for convincing the public to act on its internationalist beliefs lies with the White House.
Absent a clear and present danger, the temptation to dismiss foreign policy as a trifle will remain powerful. |
Good points for a nation which wants to go to war, but lacks the argumentation to convince it's public it is necessary ? |
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Freedomfiles,
I love you and I wanted to BUMP your message to the top again. This is an excellent archive of links and I've just started. Is this your website http://freedomfiles.org/ ?
rightweb.irc-online.org is an excellent source, I'm finding ...
| Quote: | | From a psychological point of view, I guess 9/11 was necessary to change the mindset of the American public from peace-mode to war-mode to give a simplified explanation ? |
I quote Brzezinski on my website who stated this point in many obtuse ways. So did PNAC. All these busy beavers were thinking and plotting about this concept.
| Quote: | There was an interesting article published by James Lindsay called "The New Apathy - How an uninterested public reshapes US Foreign Policy", which was released during the summer of 2000, and which described this issue.
He argued that it might be necessary to introduce a new "threat to US national security" (9/11?) as well as a recession (Enron, Worldcom, 9/11 Economical Effect?) to regain the support of the American public for the governments foreign policy objectives. |
I need to use this to SHOVE it up the snout of certain conservatives (willfully naive, but not necessarily evil) to confront them and just ask
*DO YOU AGREE* that with American foreign policy-leaders that American society needs (needed) to get hit with economic calamity and shocking terrorism as an object lesson, to bring us to OBEY the objectives of the imperialists and globalists/internationalists. Do you agree that we need to get repeatedly smacked around by economic calamity and terrorism, like a battered wife who gets lippy from time to time, to keep us compliant and submissive.
Because if so, then why complain about Sept 11?! If so, then 9-11 was a GREAT WONDERFUL EVENT! Be HAPPY about it. If Sept 11 brought on everything good that you wanted, then don't be a hypocrite. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't have the thrill of global hegemony, world war, and astounding victories for America without first staging a terrible tragic event to justify global conquest. (Don't blame me, it was the Council on Foreign Relations, the Tri-Lats, and the PNAC group that says that. Complain to them!)
Oh, but hipocrisy is one of the necessary ingredients to bake this cake, because if you don't play "make-believe" and pretend that Sept 11 was truly a great tragedy that hurt your feelings, instead of a dream-come-true opportunity of a lifetime, then you lose your casus belli and your credibility. (Israeli "students" were the only ones visibly caught jumping up and down in glee. There were plenty of other foreign policy geeks and corporate shareholders giggling and jumping up and down like Dr. Evil, some with very famous names, some more unknown, and most -- like James Lindsay -- were not "crypto-Jews", but non-crypto sociopath vampire opportunists.)
I see darkly humorous similarities to hypocritical Christians who used to get all upset about Judas or 'the Jews' killing Jesus. Hey, did you want a fucking Savior or NOT?! How the hell were you going to have a Biblical Savior if nobody killed him? You wanna blame Jews now in the 20th century, because thousands of years ago one of Jesus' Jewish cult followers helped fulfill your prophesy? What a moron! :roll: Jeez. 
Now, I've never actually said that to anyone's face, because no one has ever accused me of "killing Jesus", but I'm prepared if anyone ever does. 
| Quote: | | Extra: Al-Qaeda initially had office space at the Heritage Foundation. (oops, i mean the Muj not Al-Qaeda) |
| Quote: | | The Counter-Insurgency Command (CIC), a rightwing civilian vigilante squad, admitted having the backing of "an international organization led by retired General John Singlaub." The CIC claims to have 2,000 members and 100,000 sympathizers. |
One always hears about these well-funded rightwing vigilante squads. So seldom is the term "liberal left wing vigilantes" seen or heard.
| Quote: | | According to the authors of Inside the League, Taiwanese students in the U.S. are watched by KMT agents who fill out monthly reports about the total number of students suspected of being "communist." |
| Quote: | | Michael McKale's piece on CAUSA: "Much of the reporting on the Unification Church has tended to focus on its recruitment methods and its "cult" mentality. I believe this is far less significant than its political activities. |
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I've been nervous about Anthony Sutton since the beginning of reading his stuff, but decided to look into his findings on Wall Street and Hitler and Wall Street and Bolsheviks.
Now I was looking up some stuff about the BIS and ended up checking into Sutton's old buddy from school, Patrick M. Wood. I think he's similar to G. Edward Griffin, who I'm considering a wolf in sheep's clothing. Griffin's site is "Freedom-Force International" and he seems nice enough, but Griffin was co-founder of the John Birch Society which is tied to actual Nazi SS and Fascist groups, Gen. Singlaub, the WACL, etc. What does that say about Aaron Russo and "Freedom to Fascism"?
Here's Sutton's and Wood's alma mater:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Institution
| Quote: | | The Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace is a public policy think tank and library founded by Herbert Hoover at Stanford University, his alma mater. Some of its fellows have connections to the Bush administration. The Institution was founded in 1919 and over time has amassed a huge archive of documentation related to President Hoover, World War I, and World War II, specifically focusing on the root causes of these wars. |
| Quote: | The Hoover Institution receives much of its funding from private charitable foundations, including many attached to large corporations. A partial list of its recent donors includes:
* Archer Daniels Midland Foundation
* ARCO Foundation
* Boeing-McDonnell Foundation
* Chrysler Corporation Fund
* Dean Witter Foundation
* Exxon Educational Foundation
* Ford Motor Company Fund
* General Motors Foundation
* J.P. Morgan Charitable Trust
* Merrill Lynch & Company Foundation
* Procter & Gamble Fund
* Rockwell International Corporation Trust
* Transamerica Foundation
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| Quote: | Honorary fellows
* Ronald Reagan, (deceased) former President of the United States
* Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Nobel Prize-winning novelist and historian
* Margaret Thatcher, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
* Kazuhide Uekusa, Japanese economist, former professor at Waseda University graduate school
Distinguished fellows
* George P. Shultz, former U.S. Secretary of State
Senior fellows
* Richard V. Allen, former U.S. National Security Advisor.
* Timothy Garton Ash, historian, author, columnist
* Robert Conquest, historian
* Niall Ferguson, historian
* Morris P. Fiorina, political scientist and author
* Victor Davis Hanson, classicist and historian
* Ken Jowitt, historian and author
* Peter Paret (1988-1993), historian
* William J. Perry, former U.S. Secretary of Defense
* Condoleezza Rice, U.S. Secretary of State
* Thomas Sowell, economist and author
* John B. Taylor, former U.S. Undersecretary of the Treasury for
International Affairs
* Gary S. Becker, 1992 Nobel economics laureate
Senior research fellows
* Milton Friedman, (deceased) economist and author
Research fellows
* Peter Berkowitz, political scientist
* Dinesh D'Souza, author
* Abbas Milani, political scientist and author
* David Satter, former Moscow correspondent of the Financial Times
* Peter Schweizer, author
* Shelby Steele, author
Distinguished visiting fellows
* Spencer Abraham, former U.S. Secretary of Energy
* Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
* Edwin Meese, former U.S. Attorney General
* Diane Ravitch, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Education
* Pete Wilson, former Governor of California
Visiting scholar
* Peter Boettke, economist
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enough reason to be mighty suspicious.
in addition a search on Patrick M. Wood turned up this
www.retakingamerica.com/personal_page_Barbara_page_01.html
called an "attack" on Kelly McGinley
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Dear Kelly,
Since I've been presenting my reports on the Berean Chronicles you have expressed many times that, although you formerly promoted agents of the conspiracy out of ignorance, you will now be exposing them instead and removing their materials from your website. I continued doing programs in order to give you and others more information which would help you to expose the true conspiracy and remove disinformation from your site.
Although you say that you have reversed your course, the Berean Chronicles website tells a very different story.
Over the weekend I spent several hours perusing the BC website and compiled a long list of false teachers and prophets, disinformation agents and agents provocateurs, many of whom I have exposed on your program, whose books, CDs and websites are still sold and otherwise promoted by the Berean Chronicles. I was shocked to find among these other direct links to known deceivers such as Benny Hinn, astrologers and astrotheology websites, as well as the "Retakingamerica Your Christian Bookstore" which sells numerous products put out by the apostate church.
The "Retakingamerica Christian Bookstore" is accessed from the very deceptive link named "The Conspiracy Against Christianity." Among the multitude of products sold in the "Retakingamerica Christian Bookstore" are modern bible versions, jewelry with occult symbols, "Veggie Tales," "The Chronicles of Narnia" and "Left Behind" movies and DVDs, 31 books by James Dobson, Tim LaHaye's books, CDs of pseudo-Christian rock stars/bands and other products which you have denounced on your radio program. The "Christian Book" catalogue contains hundreds, if not thousands, of books authored by deceivers such as James Dobson, D.James Kennedy, Chuck Swindoll, Chuck Pierce, etc.
Until now I've given you the benefit of the doubt, but the deception on your website is so extensive that it's difficult for me to believe you are unaware of it. Because of this untenable situation, neither Lynn Kistler nor I will be doing future programs on the Berean Chronicles.
Regretfully,
Barbara |
I don't read that as an "attack". More like an opinion, a viewpoint, a criticism.
Some of the FAKES listed by Barb Aho.
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Eric Hufschmid on Fake Moon Landings 8-24-06.mp3
Lisa Guliana & Victor Thorn Flight 93 1-31-06.mp3
Peter Herberg Satanic Numerology Day One. mp3.mp3
United States Presidents and The Masonic Power Structure. By: Robert Howard [Peter Herberg]
Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
BUSH REVEALED
http://www.bushrevealed.com/
Promotes The Constitution Party; most articles are from World Net Daily
Book covers of Katherine Albrecht’s books, “Spy Chips” and “The Spy Chip Threat,” although not in bookstore provide publicity for these disinfo books.
“Consortium News”
http://www.consortiumnews.com/
What do the planets say about politics? Tell-it-like-it-is political astrology
"God's News Behind the News"
http://www.godsnews.com/main.htm
Dr. Ray Brubaker and Dr. Joe VanKoevering discussing Bible prophecy with Benny Hinn on This Is Your Day! |
| Quote: | News With Views
http://www.newswithviews.com/ (go to LINK for full list)
Pastor Chuck Baldwin
Bill Sizemore
Devvy Kidd
Selwyn Duke
Dr. Dennis Cuddy, Ph.D
Carey Roberts
Craig Roberts (different from Paul Craig Roberts)
Deanna Spingola (wacky articles!)
Dr. Edwin Vieira
Patrick M. Wood (August Review)
Larry Pratt (gun nut, Patriot movement)
Derry Brownfield weirdo on GCN
Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO
Byron J. Richards, CCN
Mary Starrett
Laurie Roth, Ph.D. (Zionist, interviewed Patrick Wood)
Joan Veon
Joyce Morrison
Berit Kjos
Dr. Stanley Monteith (Alex Jones buddy, far right)
Charlotte Iserbyt (home schooling advocate)
Jerome R. Corsi (Swift Boater, sounds like a Nazi, NAU exposer
Kelly McGinley
State Rep. Phil Hart
Joel Turtel
Nancy Levant
Phyllis Spivey
Geoff Metcalf
Lynn M. Stuter
Cliff Kincaid
Gianni Hayes, Ph.D.
Patrick Briley (I copied his articles in the 1993 attacks and OK City)
Steven Yates, Ph.D.
[Chuck Baldwin is a Dominionist, the rest are disinformation agents; News With Views advertises and sells David Bay’s “Secrets of America’s Beginnings”] |
I think it would be wise to consider this, at least. Barbara Aho has complied an extensive database of the FAR RIGHT WING in America tied to Nazi SS and Death Squads, Bushes, Reagan, Ollie North, etc.
Despite the fact that she's an End Times believing Christian, who expresses a lot of values I'd call "right wing", she seems to be on target as to the distinction btw conservative vs. Nazi, which might be why her work was apparently used by the late Steve Kangas. |
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hoover_Institution
Funding
According to Media Transparency, between 1985 and 2003 the Institution received $20,330,146 in 176 separate grants from only nine foundations: [27]
* Castle Rock Foundation
* Earhart Foundation
* JM Foundation
* Koch Family Foundations (Charles G. Koch Foundation)
* John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
* Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
* Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)
* Smith Richardson Foundation
A 1999 Philip Morris planning document listed the Hoover Institution as a "Key Third Party All[y]" that's "receiving PM funding". [28]
They're also listed in Towers Perrin's planning document as a "key ally" in remaking Philip Morris's public image. |
Berlet adds, ominously:
| Quote: | Another conspiracy theorist, Antony Sutton, avoids explicit
anti-Jewish rhetoric, but pursues a line promoting arcane banking
conspiracies (often involving Jewish banking families traditionally
scapegoated by bigots). Sutton also has supported racial separatism
between Blacks and whites in South Africa. |
Sounds like Sutton hangs out with a lot of people who have an *AGENDA*. But are these "arcane" banking conspiracies false? |
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I’m wondering how you keep finding these sites and names, as I too have come across some of them.
You wrote:
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Eric Hufschmid on Fake Moon Landings 8-24-06.mp3
Lisa Guliana & Victor Thorn Flight 93 1-31-06.mp3
Peter Herberg Satanic Numerology Day One. mp3.mp3
United States Presidents and The Masonic Power Structure. By: Robert Howard [Peter Herberg]
Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
BUSH REVEALED
http://www.bushrevealed.com/
Promotes The Constitution Party; most articles are from World Net Daily
Book covers of Katherine Albrecht’s books, “Spy Chips” and “The Spy Chip Threat,” although not in bookstore provide publicity for these disinfo books.
“Consortium News”
http://www.consortiumnews.com/
What do the planets say about politics? Tell-it-like-it-is political astrology
"God's News Behind the News"
http://www.godsnews.com/main.htm
Dr. Ray Brubaker and Dr. Joe VanKoevering discussing Bible prophecy with Benny Hinn on This Is Your Day!
I’m particualry interested in how much of this you buy into, for I list the informationcorner as a valuable site, and if the ‘masonic’ conspiracy line is true, I’ll deem them reliable, in as much as they don’t appear linked to Al-queda, or hyping anyone up with fair.
At the same time, a list of their guests is definiately interesting
They had they cold war spy you didn’t seem to agree with (the G.Ed interview)
They say they were on, (first amendemt) radio, (I think)
They’ve had Eustace Mullins, Iserbyt (but no Gatto?). These two, as my memory puts it, were Christian, so with Sam and Trish being known Christians, that would seem self-explnaotry, only, if you go futher, you see two more interesting names
Katherine Albrecht
And also, Patrick Wood. |
Barbara Aho listed Iserbyt, and the whole newwithviews website, as ‘connected’, however, there remains the possibility that she has some connection with Fintan herself, and both of them are totally fabricating this.
Disinfo Agents
If it needs to be mentioned for some unknown reason, I actually first came across Barbara’s name with the following post (taken from a website that ‘disappeared’.
| Quote: | terminus_est and myself had quite a bit of exchange about Icke, his site, location of his lecture in L.A. (across a Masonic temple -- (I’ve been there, seen that) and what we both have found very interesting is proliferation of Masonic symbols on Icke's site and lots of new age agenda pushing that smells of NWO rat.
This is what Alan have told me as well, that Icke was initiated in hindu doctrines, he even spent quite some time there in India, then those teachings and his channellings were mixed into a potion of theosophical and new age beliefs that he was then spreading to his followers, just like Tsarion is spreading Rocescrucianism, Gnosticism, magic/tarot, cabbala that are pure occult and Luciferian doctrines.
BTW, Rosecrucianism started in 1st century AD and it has major links with Templars and Scotish Freemasonry, yet Tsarion never mentioned this! And Templars were Jews, per Barbara Aho. (explains why they charged interest)
Anyways, Icke and Tsarion are just pushing different flavors of new age crap, that occupies your mind with false ideas, often that are very detrimental to your mental and spiritual health, so that at best you will spin your wheels indefinitely, or at worse you can dab into occult and do something really stupid.
Have you ever wondered why Tsarion is trying to get you into magic and tarot and cabballa, as if this is the way to “truth” ?
Exactly!
Those above-mentioned are the false prophets that allow that agenda of their paymasters to continue unobstructed, IMO.
Another great researcher is Barbara Aho, and much of what Alan is saying she is presenting in her research as well. Even though Barbara is a Christian and Alan is not their research overlaps to a great extent. Besides those two researchers, I do not know many others who substantiate their claims so well.
So both, Alan and Barbara are very rare people who seem to be really authentic and who have at their heart love for the humanity.
That is an incredible gift for humankind and we should definitely support such people in any way that we can
Great info there, Intent |
My word, LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear, I’m only seeing this now, but look how I mentioned earlier that that the William Cooper ‘sweet expose’ of AJ had been first spotted by me posted at www.montalk.net? Does that then mean that it was Intent posting at this site? I’ll need to go back and check his posts to see if I can find any trend of him mentioning Watt…
Anyway, this is what I’ve got Kath quoted as saying:
*I’ll mention that I’ll need some solid sources with the talk of ‘governentally induced deaths’. I’m from the new generation where government is pushed as GOD (government owned departments??)
| Quote: | When I rail about don’t let them put an RFID in you bra, what I’m really railing about is not the privacy issue … A measure of a civilization privacy is really a measure of their freedom because ultimately what registration really leads to is control, and whether that’s guns registration, whether that’s food registration, the ultimate end pint of it is control, especially when you start talking about people registration…and all of these technologies are inventory management technologies and they have a very disturbing tendency to distort whatever their inventorying… to turn them things into inventory and unless you want to be inventory, unless we want our property to be inventory, then we need to resist this tendency to number and mark people… and the reason I’m so adamantly opposed to these technologies is because if you could see my bookshelf, I’ve actually got two floor to ceiling bookshelves in my home… 2 of those bookshelves are twentieth century history and looking at the fact that 250 million people in the 20th century were murdered by their own government… these are people from… a far ranging set of countries… and the one thing they all had in common in every case is that their government had attained too much power over them; and one of the ways their government attains to much over a people is it begins registering their activities… their race, their ethnicity, religious background…their ownership of firearms…all sorts of things… the shopper card was essentially a registration of our food… my slogan for this really is, ‘he that controls the food supply controls the people’ because there is no quicker way to get people to comply with your will then to starve them; people will only last about a week before they will start coming to you and say ‘ok, what are your terms, I’ll agree but I’ve gotta’ feed my kids’, so controlling the food supply is absolutely one of the most important things…freedoms, and rights, and privileges, that we as a free people must retain to ourselves and no give over to the government.
Katherine Albrecht 04.18.06 Supermarket privacy (42 mins + 46 mins) |
Regaridng fascism and Islam
Your good friend the fascism fanatic Jordan Maxwell spoke quite a big about the spread of Islam in his hourly record interniew, found at the KSCO site. In that, he mentioned the following book which I may decide to search through in the future, for, he claims at least that it gives the origins of Islam. I’m interested because the speculation of Islam being created by the Vatican is in fact quite worthless since it requires largely an element of faith
Book reference:
The historical origins of Islam/Maahian press/1/88 1040 / 51/ 8
You may be interested to hear this talk on violent verses from the Quaran:
Couldn’t definitely surprise me, for even if X wasn’t part of the official Islam, he did repeat the idea that his book teaches his people (well, him at least) that is, until a man lays a finger on you. Quoting him “that’s a good religion”…
http://www.retakingamerica.com/personal_page_Barbara_page_01.html
must say, I’m quite confused.
Barbara seems connected with the man from this site I think it was:
http://audio.thebereanchroniclesaudio.com/
I got my ‘dead Journalist’ link from that site, and from that, it linked to that retaking America site you list. Yes, the coincidences keep getting better.
Here is the ‘berean chronicles’ sites’ take on Cooper:
Cooper and Jones
Doyle links here how the waitchpair site lists Cooper as connected with the evil dooers:
http://www.hourofthetime.com/billrelatedlinks.html
Still being, intelligence man, here is something you may like of Cooper, if you go listen to his War Of the Worlds audio, which is available here.
http://www.archive.org/details/WilliamCooperWilliamCooperMysteryBabylonSeriesCompleteReedit2140
If you happen to start salivating, then you can listen to Jordan and Hilder (though I doubt you care much for Hilder), when they mention how presidents do not make mistakes; they have top advisors for every move:
Here is an extract from that interview and it parallels with a couple other things I have heard:
| Quote: | Book: unwritten treaty
Psychological warfare against a declared or undeclared enemy is probably as old a human history. It consists of two basic elements: The threat or appeal to fear, the bribe or appeal to greed
Psychological warfare as a means of Systematic nationalistic aggression
Aims at the undermining of a peoples confidence… This combination of confidence and determination we call morale; when a nation’s morale is destroyed, it commits suicide
Resistance seems hopeless… psychological warfare against an enemy nations seeks to Paralyse the will of that nation by spreading confusion, by alternating, excessive hope and excessive fear, by exploiting every clearage and adding fuel to every prejudice, Its chief weapon is propaganda. That is the Dissemination of ideas, but propaganda, to be effective, must be based on full carefully analysed intelligence regarding enemy and must be co-ordinated with espionage, fifth column activity and actual sabotage.
All these assignments are carried out by the implantation of carefully selected ideas and concepts. These ideas and concepts are neither necessarily true or necessarily false – in fact, whether they are true or false makes no difference what so ever, so long as they Successful serve to create the desired state of mind
It follows that there is no validity whatsoever to the widely held belief that propaganda, consist, by definition, of the spreading of lies. Truth and falsehood make no difference within themselves…
It cannot be stated with sufficient emphasis that information is one thing, propaganda is quite another
The purpose of spreading information is to promote the functioning of mans reasons. The purpose of propaganda is to immobilise certain of mans emotions in such a way that they will dominate his reason.
The purpose of an information agency is to disseminate truth to a make available fact and opinion; each carefully labelled and separated from another
The aim of an information agency is to enable as many people as possible to form their own individual judgements on the basis of relevant fact and the basis of authoritative opinion.
The function of a propaganda agency is almost the exact opposite. It is not to inform but to persuade. In order to persuade, it must disseminate only such facts such opinion and such fiction masquerading as fact as to make people act or fail to act in a desired way
…the American public became Unwitting subjects in an experiment to study mass behaviour … that made for Various degrees of suggestibility under the impact of fear … if they were doing that then, what are they doing now
(43: 40) People’s actions are strongly influenced by their knowledge base; people act on beliefs not facts; you can manipulate a persons actions by manipulating their knowledge base; by warping historical truth or ignoring it completely. Knowledge can make for independence if it helps people meet their world more confidently and realistically but that can only happen when people are dealing with the facts and with the truth
Those who have wanted others to remain dependent have always recognised this fact and have opposed the spread of knowledge
… to achieve U.S. policy… by influencing public opinion at home and abroad using psycho-political strategies. (43) |
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if I’ve subdued your reasoning capabilities, then quickly download the following and take it all in. Go now, quickly, absorb it all, don’t question it:
http://www.archive.org/details/DavidIcke-SightingsOfShapeShifting |
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