7/7 Bus bomb...bus blocked from its route by unmarked cars

[Nat]

this is spicy, very spicy indeed...

from the4thbomb.com

[Nat]

previously, Daniel says that the cars "squeal" to a halt, but in the the4thbomb.com pdf he says

[atm]

[Ormond]

[elbowdeep]

I remember seeing this posted on other forums as well.

[Nat]

Ormond

it appears, whether or not these cars were bumbling middle/upper class twits or spooks deliberately blocking and herding the bus, that the bus was directed or herded into Tavistock Square, and i have heard that Tavistock was in fact closed off at one end making it into a cul de sac...or killing zone

the media trumpeted the fact that it happened outside the tavistock inst, but made no enlightening comments for the proles, like it was an insider joke or something

perhaps some sort of dissonance thing ?

tavistock is probably as well known here in UK as in America, i.e. not mainstream knowledge, when most are preoccupied with footie and big brother (how ironic)...but there's the same (guess) 5-10% awareness among the population


i like the ritualistic tagging idea, ED, sounds quite plausible, eh ?

[elbowdeep]

[Ormond]

[Nat]

oh, i hadn't really thought of the voyeuristic angle either, Ormond, what with the tavistock's undoubtedly lexan or polycarb ballistic sandwich window glass, that too sounds within possibility

i was twenty five miles from London on the day, so it's all based on witness statements and articles/reporting, but as i say, it has been said by someone who was there, that tavistock had been taped off at the end where the bus would have left

from the human debris painted up the wall it seems as though the bus went up almost dead alongside the blue doors and continued on some feet

the thing with the cars is that it would be very obvious: so was it something for the likes of us to be aware of and potentially fearful for the implications of, a 'we did do it' callsign from 'bad people' ?

or was it just concidence, the two cars being interpretable as deliberately blocking when in fact they were simply typical idiots we all encounter in busy streets ?

apparently the bus had been diverted by the driver being ordered to take an alternative route anyway, which would probably obviate the need to use cars at all if true, but who knows ?

as far as i know, it's unclear whether the bus itself was known to be at risk but not acknowledged as such, the diversion (from the depot ?) was supposedly to do with avoiding chaos from previous explosions

as for the occupants, there're laughable (or seemingly so) photographs of some half dozen to a dozen survivors standing on the top deck of the newly open-topped bus, moments (apparently) after the blast, and yet the front screen and all the side glass and frames/struts have been entirely blown away, very strange, and not one holding their bleeding ears

[Fintan]

7/7 Survivors Tale is a Bomb

by Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.com, 30th January, 2007

Some weeks ago I reviewed the London bus bombing tale by someone
claiming to be a survivor of the blast, at: http://www.the4thbomb.com/

When I first checked out this story of 7/7 by "Daniel", I found that one of
the links was to a PDF at www.scenarium.com. The link didn't work.

http://www.scenarium.com/bookshop/daniel77.pdf

When I checked the root URL, I saw it was was a sparse homepage, also
with no functioning links. Even the directory /bookshop/ was not found
on the site. No big deal, but I didn't like it.

So, who is this guy?

His name is Daniel, apparently. And on the blog and the website he is
writing about the fourth bomb on 7/7. The one which struck the bus.

But on the website, he writes 7/7 as 7:7. I suppose you know why.

Put that together with his name and you get "Daniel 7:7".

And if you look up Daniel 7:7 it's is a passage from the Book of
Revelations:

Daniel 7:7 - "After this I saw in the night visions, and
behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong
exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and
brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of
it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were
before it; and it had ten horns."

http://bible.cc/daniel/7-7.htm

It's the prophet Daniel speaking about the "fourth beast" eh?

And our "Daniel" is speaking about the fourth bomb.

Which is really rather convenient, if Daniel is his real name.

And if it's not, then he is picking a name which takes us into the
Book of Revelations --with all the associations of such references
with lunatics who jabber on about the apocalypse.

Fruitcake territory, in other words.

Looking into his story some more, according to the website, he went
to "a police station" in North London, where he gave a statement to
an anti-terrorist branch detective called DC Gary White. He even has
a poor-quality audio extract of a few minutes of the detective
speaking to him.

How thorough.

But all we get about the location is: "a police station"??

He was being followed, apparently, and he writes on the website:

"I realise my apartment blocks concierge had been keeping them
informed of my comings and goings."

Just as in the case of the police station interview, he has video
this time, not just audio, but unfortunately, despite the fact that we
are in an age of high-resolution digital video, the quality is poor and
we never get a clear glimpse of the face of the concierge.

The footage is strongly blurred. And at one or two points in the video
where we might be able to see the face clearly... we don't.

The first chance was as the camera comes through doors to the lobby
area but that opportunity is lost because the concierge puts his hand
perfectly in the way of his face at the critical point. The second time,
the man has a cellphone to his ear, blocking view of his face.

"Daniel" makes it clear that he left the scene of the bus blast just after
the explosion. Which might help explain away the lack of reference to him
in any reports, or lack of photos of him at the scene.

Or which might indicate the lack of reference is valid --because he
wasn't there. And the tale of him leaving is just a concoction.

The thorough detail on peripheral issues like the audio of the "police
interview" and the video of the concierge, seem to me to be padding out
the story with detail to hide a weakness in the central aspects of his
tale. Another example of peripheral detail is the audio of the alleged
harassing phone telephone call from the police in relation to a van of
which Daniel was --the call alleged-- supposedly the owner.

"Daniel's" tale is also seemingly backed by an interview with a newspaper
in which he gave an account of his experiences on the day. The reporter
writes that she had confirmed with Scotland Yard that he was interviewed
in relation to the events of 7/7. But that is not much use to us, as we
have no idea of the content or relevance of that interview. It could have
been a banal issue of no substance --simply to lend authenticity to his
story.

Then there is the relentless focus on being followed, and being harassed.
Again without substantive confirmation. Who knows if the telephone call
audio is really that of a police officer? Who, other than Daniel can confirm
that he was being followed? What of substance have we got in the video
of the concierge --except.... em..... video of a concierge. We only have
"Daniel's" word that it is significant.

These issues can easily be portrayed as almost cliche "conspiracy theory"
paranoia. And thus discredit legitimate investigators by association. As
another example I would quote the movie "Who Killed John O'Neill", which is
almost a parody of such cliche conspiracy theory ramblings and paranoia.

I am also very suspicious of this quote from "Daniel's" blog:

"I’d hurriedly left the death strewn by the blast in my wake but was
befuddled by what I saw ahead of me. I stopped, turned round and was
even more dumbfounded by what I saw. Strangely I found myself drawn
back to the scene of the crime and meandering between the angels and
agents in Tavistock Square headed back towards the bus."

http://daniel77witness.blogspot.com/2007/01/angels-and-agents-of-tavistock-square.html

This reiterates an aspect of his story which he has alluded to in another
account. Namely that he was on the bus, but left the scene immediately
after the blast --only to return later. I imagine any competent police
officer would be as suspicious of this claim as I am. Furthermore it
serves as a convenient explanation of the lack of photo evidence of him
at the scene. He can simply claim that the photos of the scene must have
been taken at a time he was not there. Such a mechanism lets him neatly
off the hook. Without that claim, his absence from photos of the scene
might be decidedly suspicious.

Secondly, that account has him identifying individuals at the scene as
"agents" without any substantive merit to such claims. Again taking us
back into the arena of paranoid conspiracy theory.

The holes I have picked in the story would certainly be siezed on by any
professional journalist. And worse still, the focus on peripheral detail;
the conspiracy ramblings and the lack of hard confirmation of his presence
on the bus in the first place are in my experience symptomatic of a type
of story pushed by what I have called the "CIA Fakes".

http://www.breakfornews.com/TheCIAInternetFakes.htm

Looking back over all that I have detailed, I find the choice of using
the "Daniel 7:7" wording probably the most damming --in the context of
the other issues I have raised. The Book of Revelations allusion makes
me positively cringe.

"Daniel's" tale is to me more indicitative of lurid diversionary material
designed to discredit legitimate investigators than it is evidence of
a true account by a survivor of the 7/7 bus bombing.

30th January, 2007
Fintan Dunne, Editor
http://BreakForNews.com

Also Posted at: http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=23&view=findpost&p=11822989

[Ormond]

[stallion4]

I wonder where Bruce "The metal was pushed up as if the bomb was underneath the train" Lait is these days? It would be nice if Fintan could have him on as a guest to talk about his experience during the "terrorist" attack on 7/7.