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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Inside out! Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:

If only my landlord could appreciate such simple mathematical beauty.

The only 'abstract' concept that makes no logical sense is '1' -

And doesn't that make perfect senst too, considering how useless it is to multiply anything by 1. Even 1. Bo-ring. I'd rather do... nothing ... twice! Wink

But your article suggested all kinds of wild and cool things like:

Being begins with division, or the act of making anything begins with a division of 0. Like 0 divided by 0 also equals 2?

Every multiplication is a simultaneous division, anytime verbs enter the picture.

Growing by dividing - cell division - holographic universe.
In out - as above so below - mirror plane.

Unity describes not the number zero, but a condition of the verb 'is'.

0 = isn't?

Or, zero is a state of undifferrentiated non 'verbing' and can only enter the 'verbing universe' through the process of division, creating the boundary of subject and object.



Great stuff Jerry, your picking up on some key features of numbers.
I'm coming to think of them more as symbolic or archytypal manifestations,
not having existence in any literal sense, but more like following
metaphysical patterns.

Seems to me that number is like a primordial language that doesnt follow
the rules in a logical mathematical sense. I spose thats what the article is
trying to get at.

Finding out some interesting things on the origins of the cypher, apart
from the suppression by the PTB on the use of the zero, I find that even
the early explanations on the use of cypher were shrouded in confusion.


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We now come to considering the first appearance of zero as a number. Let us first note that it is not in any sense a natural candidate for a number. From early times numbers are words which refer to collections of objects. Certainly the idea of number became more and more abstract and this abstraction then makes possible the consideration of zero and negative numbers which do not arise as properties of collections of objects. Of course the problem which arises when one tries to consider zero and negatives as numbers is how they interact in regard to the operations of arithmetic, addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. In three important books the Indian mathematicians Brahmagupta, Mahavira and Bhaskara tried to answer these questions.

Brahmagupta attempted to give the rules for arithmetic involving zero and negative numbers in the seventh century. He explained that given a number then if you subtract it from itself you obtain zero. He gave the following rules for addition which involve zero:-

The sum of zero and a negative number is negative, the sum of a positive number and zero is positive, the sum of zero and zero is zero.

Subtraction is a little harder:-

A negative number subtracted from zero is positive, a positive number subtracted from zero is negative, zero subtracted from a negative number is negative, zero subtracted from a positive number is positive, zero subtracted from zero is zero.

Brahmagupta then says that any number when multiplied by zero is zero but struggles when it comes to division:-

A positive or negative number when divided by zero is a fraction with the zero as denominator. Zero divided by a negative or positive number is either zero or is expressed as a fraction with zero as numerator and the finite quantity as denominator. Zero divided by zero is zero.

Really Brahmagupta is saying very little when he suggests that n divided by zero is n/0. Clearly he is struggling here. He is certainly wrong when he then claims that zero divided by zero is zero. However it is a brilliant attempt from the first person that we know who tried to extend arithmetic to negative numbers and zero.

In 830, around 200 years after Brahmagupta wrote his masterpiece, Mahavira wrote Ganita Sara Samgraha which was designed as an updating of Brahmagupta's book. He correctly states that:-

... a number multiplied by zero is zero, and a number remains the same when zero is subtracted from it.

However his attempts to improve on Brahmagupta's statements on dividing by zero seem to lead him into error. He writes:-

A number remains unchanged when divided by zero.

Since this is clearly incorrect my use of the words "seem to lead him into error" might be seen as confusing. The reason for this phrase is that some commentators on Mahavira have tried to find excuses for his incorrect statement.

Bhaskara wrote over 500 years after Brahmagupta. Despite the passage of time he is still struggling to explain division by zero. He writes:-

A quantity divided by zero becomes a fraction the denominator of which is zero. This fraction is termed an infinite quantity. In this quantity consisting of that which has zero for its divisor, there is no alteration, though many may be inserted or extracted; as no change takes place in the infinite and immutable God when worlds are created or destroyed, though numerous orders of beings are absorbed or put forth.

So Bhaskara tried to solve the problem by writing n/0 = ∞. At first sight we might be tempted to believe that Bhaskara has it correct, but of course he does not. If this were true then 0 times ∞ must be equal to every number n, so all numbers are equal. The Indian mathematicians could not bring themselves to the point of admitting that one could not divide by zero. Bhaskara did correctly state other properties of zero, however, such as 0² = 0, and √0 = 0.
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Zero.html


^^LOL... In other words, we have it all figured out now. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: cypher... Reply with quote

Just0 wrote:
I find that even
the early explanations on the use of cypher were shrouded in confusion.


Yeah - I find the early explanations of just about everything suffer from this confusing shroud. Why would 'nothing' be any different? Wink

I thought your use of 'cypher' for 'zero' was interesting, as it's not really used in the US, unless you're watching The Matrix.

Since I always try to pilfer the cool european lingo in order to appear hip and erudite, I decided to look this word up.

In light of my previous post, I was pretty astonished to read this definition:
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cy·pher     [sahy-fer] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, verb (used without object), verb (used with object) Chiefly British.
cipher.

From: cypher - Definitions from Dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cypher


as well as these suggestive options:

Quote:
6. a secret method of writing, as by transposition or substitution of letters, specially formed symbols, or the like. Compare cryptography.
7. writing done by such a method; a coded message.
8. the key to a secret method of writing.

From: cypher - Definitions from Dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cypher


The history of '0' appears to share the same ambiguity as, well, history itself. Like so many other conceptual social developments, however, widespread use of '0' suddenly appeared everywhere the Venetian empire 'colonized' and installed their systems of Republican government, limited liability corporate trade, and debt/credit financial structure based on the double entry bookkeeping system of accounting.

Conceptually, this debt / credit system is completely dependent on the cypher, or '0', as both the alpha and omega in the flow of 'financial energy'.

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Luca Pacioli and the birth of modern accountancy

The first book on accounting was written by a Croatian merchant Benedetto Cotrugli, who is also known as Benedikt Kotruljevi;#263;, from the city of Dubrovnik.

During his life in Italy he met many merchants and decided to write, Della Mercatvra et del Mercante Perfetto (On Trade and the Perfect Merchant) in which he elaborated on the principles of modern, double-entry book-keeping. He finished his lifework in 1458. However, his work was not published until 1573, as a result of which his contributions to the field have been overlooked by the general public.

For this reason, Luca Pacioli (1445 - 1517), also known as Friar Luca dal Borgo, is credited for the "birth" of accounting. His Summa de arithmetica, geometrica, proportioni et proportionalita (Venice 1494), a synthesis of the mathematical knowledge of his time, includes the first published description of the method of keeping accounts that Venetian merchants used at that time, known as the double-entry accounting system.

Although Pacioli codified rather than invented this system, he is widely regarded as the "Father of Accounting". The system he published included most of the accounting cycle as we know it today. He described the use of journals and ledgers, and warned that a person should not go to sleep at night until the debits equalled the credits!

His ledger had accounts for assets (including receivables and inventories), liabilities, capital, income, and expenses — the account categories that are reported on an organization's balance sheet and income statement, respectively. He demonstrated year-end closing entries and proposed that a trial balance be used to prove a balanced ledger. His treatise also touches on a wide range of related topics from accounting ethics to cost accounting.

From: Accountancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting

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Double-entry bookkeeping system

In record keeping, particulary accountancy, the double-entry bookkeeping (or double-entry accounting) system is the basis of the standard system used by businesses and other organizations to record financial transactions. Its premise is that a business's (or other organization's) financial condition and results of operations are best represented by several variables, called accounts, each of which reflects a particular aspect of the business as a monetary value.

[...]
History

The origins of a primitive double-entry system have been traced as far back as the 12th century. Some sources suggest that Giovanni di Bicci de' Medici first introduced this method for the Medici bank. The earliest extant records that follow the modern double-entry form are those of Amatino Manucci, a Florentine merchant at the beginning of the 14th century[1]. By the end of the 15th century, the merchant venturers of Venice used this system widely.

Luca Pacioli, a monk and collaborator of Leonardo da Vinci, first codified the system in a 1494 mathematics textbook [2]. Pacioli is often called the "father of accounting" because he was the first to publish a detailed description of the double-entry system, which enabled others to study and use it.[3]

[...]

From: Double-entry bookkeeping system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_accounting_system


Even the article you quoted suggests that even though the Indians apparently struggled with this concept for hundreds of years, the adventurous Merchants of Venice had zero in a full embrace by the 12th - 13th centuries.

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One might have thought that the progress of the number systems in general, and zero in particular, would have been steady from this time on. However, this was far from the case. Cardan solved cubic and quartic equations without using zero. He would have found his work in the 1500's so much easier if he had had a zero but it was not part of his mathematics. By the 1600's zero began to come into widespread use but still only after encountering a lot of resistance.

From: Zero
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Zero.html


Now, some sort of nutbag history revisionist might argue that Brahmagupta, Mahavira and Bhaskara are fictional creations of these same social architects in order to give the 'Late Fee' some degree of ancient historical justification. If I meet one, I'll let you know. Wink

Finally, your Topology of '0' graphic is indeed fascinating - I definitely saw the cornea in there - I assumed it was intentional and very clever. If you simply made that graphic 'intuitively', it's even cooler.

Then I stared at it for a while and began to trip out. There's all kinds of crazy stuff suggested in that shading pattern - cardioid patterns, a human head (as seen from above, with the corneas as the 'ears' - similar to Fintan's time space axis graphic), and even a human embryo. To me, at least. Maybe the meds...

Anyway, I was suddenly forced to pull out my neanderthal photoshop skills, as I once again 'saw' the archetypal image that seems to be following me recently. Don't know exactly what it means, but it feels like it means sumthin... (cue theme from 'Close Encounters...)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: cypher... Reply with quote

Jerry Fletcher wrote:

The history of '0' appears to share the same ambiguity as, well, history itself. Like so many other conceptual social developments, however, widespread use of '0' suddenly appeared everywhere the Venetian empire 'colonized' and installed their systems of Republican government, limited liability corporate trade, and debt/credit financial structure based on the double entry bookkeeping system of accounting.


Good point, just like the roman numeral accounting was used as a devise to allow only
the elite to calculate goods. Such as the lower class only being able to count "things"
by scoring lines corresponding to goods like horses, sheep, slaves etc. The accounting
could only be done by specialists. When the zero was adopted (eventually), suddenly
large calculations were possible for anyone with the know how, this is where science
really took off. But from your analysis on the finacial side of things, the merchants
had a new system of control. i.e. double entry-book keeping.


Jerry Fletcher wrote:

Conceptually, this debt / credit system is completely dependent on the cypher, or '0', as both the alpha and omega in the flow of 'financial energy'.


Shure is...

Jerry Fletcher wrote:

Even the article you quoted suggests that even though the Indians apparently struggled with this concept for hundreds of years, the adventurous Merchants of Venice had zero in a full embrace by the 12th - 13th centuries.


That is strange...

Jerry Fletcher wrote:

Now, some sort of nutbag history revisionist might argue that Brahmagupta, Mahavira and Bhaskara are fictional creations of these same social architects in order to give the 'Late Fee' some degree of ancient historical justification. If I meet one, I'll let you know. Wink


LMAO, sounds like conspiracy theorist talk to me, well if you find anymore of this
nutbag history revisionists stuff and their take on the zero, send 'em here.... we love it Very HappyVery Happy


It's a familliar story, didn't we have something similar come up in this thread in relation to this guy.



Is'nt this the same character who talked about the cube.......and on philisophical issues like the many and the ONE.

Bucky fuller was on to the power that the seafearing merchants had and
the tricks they played to keep the landlubbers in the dark about such
things.

Heres an interesting piece cut from one of his lectures.

Bucky_Fuller-Navigator_Priests_of_History MP3 11mb (19mins)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Nothing Reply with quote

OK heres a lot of threads which seem to me to be worth following up on, in relation to nothing in particular....

Plenty of mysticism and occult stuff, kabbalah etc. most of which doesnt make much sense to me... LOL

Maybe someone out there can piece some more of these threads together...

Anyway, here goes nothin' ( :roll: )

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From Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero#Etymology
Etymology

The word "zero" came via French zéro from Venetian dialect Italian zero, which (together with "cipher") came via Italian zefiro from Arabic , safira = "it was empty", sifr = "zero", "nothing", which was used to translate Sanskrit sunya , meaning void or empty.


Italian zefiro already meant "west wind" from Latin and Greek zephyrus; this may have influenced the spelling when transcribing Arabic sifr.[1] The Italian mathematician Fibonacci (c.1170-1250), who grew up in Arab North Africa and is credited with introducing the Hindu decimal system to Europe, used the term zephyrum. This became zefiro in Italian, which was contracted to zero in Venetian, giving the modern English word.

As the Hindu decimal zero and its new mathematics spread from the Arab world to Europe in the Middle Ages, words derived from sifr and zephyrus came to refer to calculation, as well as to privileged knowledge and secret codes. According to Ifrah, "in thirteenth-century Paris, a 'worthless fellow' was called a "... cifre en algorisme", i.e., an "arithmetical nothing"."[1] (Algorithm is also a borrowing from the Arabic, in this case from the name of the 9th century mathematician al-Khwarizmi.) From sifr also came French chiffre = "digit", "figure", "number", chiffrer = "to calculate or compute", chiffré= "encrypted". Today, the word in Arabic is still sifr, and cognates of sifr are common throughout the languages of Europe. A few additional examples follow.

Arabic: Sifr
Czech/Slovak: cifra, digit; šifra, cypher
Danish: ciffer, digit
Dutch: cijfer, digit
French: zéro, zero
German: Ziffer, digit, figure, numeral, cypher
Hindi: shunya
Hungarian: nulla
Italian: cifra, digit, numeral, cypher; zero, zero
Kannada: sonne
Malay: sifar
Norwegian: siffer, digit, numeral, cypher; null, zero
Persian: Sefr
Polish: cyfra, digit; szyfrowa?, to encrypt; zero, zero
Portuguese: cifra, figure, numeral, cypher, code; zero, zero
Russian: tsifra, digit, numeral; shifr, cypher, code
Slovenian: cifra, digit
Spanish: cifra, figure, numeral, cypher, code; cero, zero
Swedish: siffra, numeral, sum, digit; chiffer, cypher
Serbian: shifra, cypher, figure, numeral; nula, zero
Turkish: Sifir
Urdu: Sifer, Anda, Zero



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephirot
Sephirot


"Sefirah" redirects here. For Sefiras haOmer, see Counting of the Omer.

Sephirot, Sephiroth, or Sefiroth , singular: Sephirah, also Sefirah ("enumeration" in Hebrew).

Sephiroth (or "enumerations"),
in the Kabbalah of Judaism, are the ten attributes that God (who is referred to as Aur Ain Soph, "Limitless Light, Light Without End") created through which he can project himself to the universe and man. These emanations manifest not only in the physical part of the universe, but also in the metaphysical one. Kabbalah distinguishes between four different "worlds" or "planes":


Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_Life
Tree of Life



The Tree of Life (Heb. Etz haChayim), in the Bible is a tree in the Garden of Eden whose fruit gives everlasting life, i.e. immortality. After eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, the biblical account states that Adam and Eve were exiled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life. The Bible reads that God set an angel (angles?? Wink ) to guard the entrance to the Garden, so that mankind would not eat of the tree and "Be Like Us".

.................

Serpents, trees and fruit are important symbols in the religion of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. These symbols are also found in the Norse saga of the ash tree Yggdrasil where the tree provides a magical springwater of knowledge. In opposition to the serpent immortality, is the eagle and hawk. There is a similar mythology in China, where a carving of a Tree of Life depicts a bird and a dragon. In Chinese mythology, the dragon often represents immortality. There is also, in Chinese mythology, the story of a tree that produces a peach every three thousand years. The one who eats the fruit receives immortality.

James Frazer in his book The Golden Bough (1890) attempts to give a coherent unified account of a number of religious myths and symbols. Ioan P. Couliano provides a semiotic analysis in The Tree of Gnosis (1991). Of course, a multiplicity of interpretations exist concerning the sephiroth. It is important to note that the sephiroth and the Tree of Knowledge are distinguished (Gen. 2.9) and that prohibition of eating the fruit concerns the latter(Gen. 2.17). That Adam or Eve could eat of the sephiroth only becomes a concern to God after they have consumed fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (Gen. 3.22). Although with some variation, orthodox Judaism and Christianity have interpreted the Genesis 3 account, in its most basic form, as follows: Genesis 2 ends with the creation of Adam and Eve and their blissful state of innocence (they are one flesh, v. 24; and not ashamed of their nakedness, v. 25). Gen. 3.1 introduces the "crafty" serpent who speaks to Eve and creates doubt by questioning God's interdiction from eating the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The serpent states that its fruit would impart divine wisdom rather than death, specifically, that she would be like God (Gen. 3.5). Eve is deceived and in turn deceives Adam. Their eyes are opened and their first reaction is shame (they proceed to cover their nakedness, v. 7), then fear (they flee God's presence, v. 8 ). God converses with Adam and curses him, Eve and the serpent for their transgressions (Gen. 3.9-21). Only in Gen. 3.22 does God express concern about the Tree of Life and banishes Adam and Eve from Eden.


So it seems to me that this word 'sephiroth' (meaning enumirations) correlates to the original root for the word zero, i.e. zero = cipher = sifir = sephir.

I also get the feeling that it relates to the word sphere also, with the phonetics of the word and as the tree of life is represented by ten spheres.

moving on....

Fuller got me into this fascinating aspect of numbers, he called it Indigs

Indig's are kind of like numerology, basically you reduce the number down to it's base value by adding the figures together.
As I said in a previous post, theres an octave wave cycle going through the number system, it's simply an additive four reversing
or 'mirroring' to a subtractive four. It's a progression of adding four to zero, then subtracting four from nine, this is why we
can start to think of zero and nine as the same thing, makes sense because any number multiplied by 9 can be reduced (through indig's)
to 9, mirroring the same property that zero has (alledgedly Wink ). As an example, 9x54 = 486, 4+8+6 = 18, 1+8 = 9. It even works if any
of the multipliers add to nine, as in 63x5 = 315, 3+1+5 = 9. So even the sound of the word 'nine' in all languages is hinting at this
fact, 9 and 0 are the same, nine is nothing.


With that in mind, a helluva lot of cryptic numbers in many different traditions start to make some sense IMO.



This piece is from a 'numeronomy' book called Syndex, relating the wave cycle functions of our baseten system to Bucky fullers work on numbers. The book is a fascinating read in itself, but im highlighting this particular page because its got some of the most significant numbers that show up throughout ancient cultures.

In it you can get a good idea of the sheer ammount of times the nine (none) shows up in 'ancient' writings. Try the indig method on the
numbers for yourself, see how many 'nines' or 'nothings' are there....



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The Sumerian calendar was based on the 25,920 Precession cycles. While the Platonic Year was based on the divine number 2160 (1080 x 2). Plato mentions another divine number in his Republic, 5040 (2520 x 2).

12 x 2160 = 25920
20 x 108 = 2160
36 x 60 = 2160
2160 + 360 = 2520
2160 + 432 = 2592

So, the crucial key to the anatomy of BASETEN NUMBER BEHAVIOR lies in the special series of number modeules referred to as the Holotomic Sequence.

It represents the ordinal series of those minimal numbers that accomodate the maximum amount of consecutive factors of division from one onwards. The first nine members of the sequence include these symmetrical entities.

12
24
72
360
2520
27720
360360
6126120
116396280

The first four numbers are recognized as numbers frequently used in prebabylonian times as metrological modules--the zodiac, 24 hours of the daily cycle; 72 = 1 degree of arc every 72 years; 360 degrees in a circle.

The next number (2520) is not commonly recognized, but 5040 was held in importance by Plato and alluded to in Revelations through the number 1260 (1260 x 2 = 2520).

THE MAJOR SIGNIFICANCE OF 2520 IS THAT IT IS THE FIRST NUMBER DIVISIBLE BY ALL NINE BASE DIGITS. FOR THIS REASON WE CALL IT THE AURIC KEY, for it made numeronomy graphically visible.

The next number 27720 of course is divisible by the first palindromic prime which is eleven and through its intimate connection to number nine is instrumental in the cycloreflexive wave that both separates and connects the Holotomes from and to each other. That is, it preserves the logical continuity of the transfinite chain of number. Each holotome retains and builds on the image of the one that precedes it.

The semiarbitrary answer to the question of why some unknown geometer selected 360 degrees for equating a circle has been that 360 has more than the usual amount of divisors for its size. This is not necessarily a complete, specific, and logical answer.

As a matter of fact, 360 is divisible by all base digits except prime number seven and when we multiply 360 by prime number seven, we produce 2520 which is the first and lowest number divisible by all base digits.

Since by multiplying 2520 by the next prime and receiving another palindrome followed by a zero, i.e. 27720, we naturally decide to destrapolate this sequence to see where it begins:

27720 - 11 = 2520 - 7 = 360 - 5 = 72 - 3 = 24 - 2 = 12

Since these are exactly the most often cited numbers of ancient metrology we have arguably discovered a long-lost key to the basis of ancient metrology or numeronomy.

To amplify this claim, note that 12, 24, 72, 360, 2520, 27720, etc. are the exact sequence of minimum sums that accomodate the maximum amount of consecutive divisors (factors of division). #SIX was exactly half of the first true Holotome, making the first perfect number the nave of Holotome A (12).

The Holotomic Sequence was discovered through the systematic graphic analysis of the enspiralment of number 108 (AUM), and so was the 9/11 Cycloflex.

Multiples of 360, show the linkage between 360 and 2520 by prime numbers 7 and 11; this table yields interesting results.

1 x 360 = 360
2 x 360 = 720
3 x 360 = 1080; OM
4x 360 = 1440
5 x 360 = 1800 - half circle
6 x 360 = 2160 - age of years
7 x 360 = 2520 - Auric Key
8 x 360 = 2880
9 x 360 = 3240; x 2 sum of ages 6480
10 x 360 = 3600 - Sumerian sar
11 x 360 = 3960
12 x 360 = 4320 - Maha Yuga - 4 = 1080 x 2 = 8640

12,000 years of mahayuga x 360 "divine years" = 4,320,000

http://www.geocities.com/numeronomy/





http://www.numerometria.com/
This site has some good information relating number and geometry to the kabbalistic tree of life etc.

Check out the tetraform tree of life Smile




http://www.numerometria.com/Num010b.html

Anyway, heres some interesting characteristics of our baseten (octave) revealing itself through the multiplacation tables. Interesting positions for the nines and the numbers surrounding them too...

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To enable further study upon the significance of certain numbers, and numbers in general, let us now consider a common table of multiplication used in mathematics. Children use this table all of the time. It is a very simple square table showing the factors and sums of multiplication basics in an X-Y type grid as shown below. For our use though, it will be limited to only eight digits, as any number multiplied by nine equals nine:





The row across the top is 1 multiplied by each of 8 numbers. The column down the left side is each number multiplied by one. The factors that are normally on the top and side of this sort of table have been left out. The next table is really the same as this one; the difference is that all of the sums have been reduced to single digits.

There are many things to be noted here. First, there are only four nines present, in a square pattern in the center of the table. Second, the patterns of the second four numbers are the exact opposite of the first four. Third, any two numbers that are the same distance from the center along a horizontal or vertical line add to nine. Fourth, that only the numbers 1,2,4,5,7,and 8 have themselves as sums of their multiplication. The other three numbers; 3,6, and 9 can only result in a 3,6, or nine when multiplied by any other number. His forms a kind of grid between the multiples of three, that looks like a "Tic-tac-toe" grid. A further analysis reveals even more repeating patterns, but let us concentrate upon these for now:



http://www.numerometria.com/Num007.html



Theres loads of interesting patterns coming out once you reduce to Indig's.
Heres a triangular multiplication table, looks better than those square ones if you ask me Wink




Reduced to Indigs... (notice the number of the beast Surprised Laughing )



Another thing that struck me with this indig method is that theres some sort of fundamental trinity of numbers going on.
Its like the 0,1,2 relationship, but funnily enough the two is like the full octave part of the baseten, so 2 is actually all
8 numbers. Visually, its the infinity sign, but also it represents two circles crossing each other, like two zeros, 00.

Like in the baseten hand graphic, theres the angle part and the frequency part, the angle part is zero or nothingness, the frequency part
is the 'infinite possibility' octave pattern. Maybe the 1 represents the divider, the thing that divides 'nothing' in order for it to be 'infinite'.

OK heres just one example of this trinary pattern in numbers coming out in the third powering (cubing/volumetric relation) of numbers.

N³-------------Indig---------Trinary

1³ = 1-----------1-------------1
2³ = 8-----------8-------------8
3³ = 27----------9-------------0
4³ = 64----------1-------------1
5³ = 125--------8-------------8
6³ = 216--------9-------------0
7³ = 343--------1-------------1
8³ = 512--------8-------------8
9³ = 729--------9-------------0
10³ = 1000-----1-------------1
11³ = 1331-----8-------------8
12³ = 1728-----9-------------0



So from this example (and many others) I have to say that we really only have three numbers, IMO It must relate to the inside/outside and the surface.



OK lets finish it off on some real spooky stuff....... Aleister Crowley AKA. The BEAST, 666, blah blah blah. LOL

The Book of the Law aka The Holographic manuscript

Through the websites I linked to above, I went off wondering into some kabbalistic symbology, and when I saw Aleister Crowley's
cryptic book of the law (which he claimed he did not write), a lot of it fitted with these methods.

There are three characters which appear in the book of the law, IMO each is a representation of this archetypal trinity.

They are the 0, 1 and 8, i.e. nothing, seperation(division) and infinity.

And funnily enough, the nine is blatantly referenced to as being 'nothing' IMO.



Quote:
Had! The manifestation of Nuit.

The unveiling of the company of heaven.

Every man and every woman is a star.

Every number is infinite; there is no difference.

Quote:
I am Nuit, and my word is six and fifty.

Divide, add, multiply, and understand.




56 has 4 and 14 as it's lowest divisors.
56/4 = 14
4+14 = 18
18x56 = 1008

Indig value;

1+0+0+8 is nine (none)



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None, breathed the light, faint & faery, of the stars, and two.

For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.

This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all.

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The Perfect and the Perfect are one Perfect and not two; nay, are none!

Nothing is a secret key of this law. Sixty-one the Jews call it; I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen.

But they have the half: unite by thine art so that all disappear.




61 + 8 + 80 + 418 = 567

Indig value;

5+6+7 is 18, 1+8 is nine (nothing)

OK thats enough cryptic stuff, you get the message...



So then, just what is nothing? Everything that we can see feel touch etc. is something, something has weight, nothing has no weight.
I still like using the ol' angle and frequency analogy, so, somethings must have frequency, nothing is a-priori i.e. weightless angle.
It's the physical and metaphysical relaionship, Matter is frequency, Mind is angle.


Oh, one more thing.... Wink

This guy Marko Rodin is apparently doing something very similar to this, Theres been some helpful threads here discussing his rodin coil toroidal math.

Theres a lotta suspect and downright ridiculous claims being made by this guy, talking crap basically.....doesnt mean all of it is rubbish tho, its just that theres more to it than meets the eye.

Like...something that just clicked for me when I first saw his 'system'.









Angle and Frequency ? ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Symmetics Reply with quote

just0 wrote:
...Plenty of mysticism and occult stuff, kabbalah etc. most of which doesnt make much sense to me... LOL

Maybe someone out there can piece some more of these threads together...


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1. "Tree of Life" (a.k.a. Jacob's Ladder)

Numbered from 0-9, then (I believe) is not 10 but is the "abyss" or the point one would transcend to the next level (up to the next higher ladder set). To do that is to go into the 'abyss' which is a leap of faith that the top where you leap into the abyss becomes the bottom "0" of the next level. That's why it is 0-9 not 10. Also why I believe we are taught to be fixated on the decimal (base 10) number system, as it forces us to DROP the 0 as the first number.

It has always been considered the first in the series of every ancient numbering math system I have studied. I posted elsewhere about the easily overlooked simple fact that if we were to start with 0, not 1, then the number 12 is really the 13th digit all without changing anything to the numbering system.

I feel that 13 is far more significant than the number 12, which makes sense if you consider your
(9+4) = 13 = (1+3) = 4 (Dimensions, corners of the earth, etc.)
as well as
13x2=26 letters x 10 = 260 different cell types in the human body.


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2. Accounting System and Zero

Using 0 to maintain control? I feel the key aspect of the financial system (besides the paper money) is the idea that interest is charged in PERPETUITY.


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3. The Syndex

This is A-1 First Class deception - I cannot believe it! They are (in my perception) trying to extol the 'synergies and symmetries' by extoling the virtues of the base 10 system, methinks before too many start to look at say base 20 (much easier) which would reveal the true nature of our base 10 - which is HALF. (1 | 0)

There really is no base 10, at least not before the Romans invented it, and we all know where they got their motivation.

Not only that, but if you read below I have highlighted the areas which seem to me trying just a little too hard to 'sell' you on the 'beauty and simplicity' of the base 10, which they time and time again bring back around IN PERPETUITY. They are using this also to try and morph the solar system of Earth, and our addiction to the 365 day year which means nothing except for agriculture AND tax payments AND years IN PERPETUITY. Now that it will be more and more obvious that our evolution of as a solar system will gradually become more focused on the orbit our entire solar system is in around the galactic center people will start to realize that next year is NOT the same as last year - far from it. It takes 250 million of our years to orbit the galactic center once - essentially, the galactic year = 250 million Earth years, or when we have evolved to that level we will experience 250 million years as the equivalent of 1 year. (We will all have new space suits by then and naps will be 1 million years minimum so not to worry! Laughing )

Read below - this is definitely a thread leading future.

Thanks Just0! Nice work.

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Synchrographics regards symmetry as a primary analytical reference, making the Syndex archetypal system of number classes possible.

The foundation of this system is palindromes and transpalindromes, yielding 12 classes of number.

Palindromes, or binomial reflection numbers are neither purely accidental nor without significance.

Question (not accidental = on purpose or by intention; not without = definite significance)

Transpalindromes are the reversal of any particular number exceeding a single digit.

Numeronomy, the laws relating to the essential structure and dynamics of number, is a new word for an extremely ancient science.
Question (what's the old word?)

This science, (based on the knowledge that the continuum contains a definite structural order with general laws that describe the nature of that order), has laws that relate to the general behavior of nature itself.

Each number has both a geometrical and numerical identity. The outcome of Synchrographics is that numbers speak for themselves through structure and synergetic behavior.
(i.e. like 'numbers' as 'people' speaking 'for themselves' through 'the matrix?')

All Syndex mandalogs (number wheels) are the product of the systematic generation of the exact sequence of minimax factorization.

They have the perfect retrograde feature by which the patterns generated in the first half of the spiral are reversed at midpoint and are reflected as a mirrored image in the second half of the spiral.

Revisioning the number continuum with the concept of simultaneous counterflow yields a more accurate (OBSCURE?) picture. This revisioning is also happening in post-quantum physics under the rubric of quantum backflow.

• I don't know about anyone else but I get very suspicious when I read this sort of verbal diarrhea that in my gut says "BULLSHIT."

"Revisioning the number continuum" for "simultaneous counterflow yields more accurate"
????? is for what purpose again?

• Changing the what of nature to suit whose nefarious purposes?
(Of course, if it is to make fit quantum physics then by all means, revision with vision! :roll:)

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With large spans of numbers, the complex interrelationships become difficult to visualize without good graphics. Question (I have good graphics)

Because of the octave nature of the base cycle, there cannot be more than four consecutive transpalindromic pairs in a single symmetrical sequence, regardless of the amount of digits in each individual number.

The Holotomic Sequence consists of a series of key numbers or circular unities in the rhythmic wave. (i.e. back to the start again)

Buckminster Fuller was very excited and "filled with joy" over these revelations, when the Syndex discoveries were shared with him before his death. He wanted to publish them in a subsequent edition of Synergetics.

And why not, since they shed light on old enigmas.

After all, numbers are what they are, not what we wish them to be.
They will not do what they cannot do, i.e. show symmetries where none exist.
That stinks!

That last sentence = may technically be "not false" but can be interpreted as true in different ways.

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Their "revisionist" number set revised so it

"will not do....to show symmetries where none exist"

can also be interpreted to say that

"will do....to hide symmetries where they exist."


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Like 'don't bother investigating because we have all the symmetries worked out in advance, and NO, you cannot have the source code for the universe of numbers!!!

God, er Bill, er Mr. Gates, so sorry, is sick of tolerating your questions!! What part of NO don't you understand???


That would be the zero part, thanks.


I don't doubt that Mr. Fuller would have been excited about what they showed him before he passed away, but something tells me that he would smell a rat with these guys now.

Just0 - what does Bucky tell you in your dreams? Razz Cool


Is there symmetry in this image, or is that a symmetrical spiral?

I think they are trying to make the spiral appear symmetrical, along the same lines as the 'perpetual screw' or augur - to dig holes, or on farms they use a lot, it appears not to go anywhere but they do a lot of work.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: if it might help, or not is not the point an illusion Reply with quote

This is from NASA:
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What does Visible Light show us?
It is true that we are blind to many wavelengths of light. This makes it important to use instruments that can detect different wavelengths of light to help us to study the Earth and the Universe. However, since visible light is the part of the electromagnetic spectrum that our eyes can see, our whole world is oriented around it. And many instruments that detect visible light can see father and more clearly than our eyes could alone. That is why we use satellites to look at the Earth, and telescopes to look at the Sky! Mr. Green Crying or Very sad Mr. Green
Me or does that reek of Fedspeak? I go in a circle every time I drive thru the paragraph.

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I saw this reminded me of the eye up above so if it might help, or not is not the point an illusion.

The below pictures show the planet Uranus in true-color (on the left) and false-color (on the right).

The true-color has been processed to show Uranus as human eyes would see it from the vantage point of the Voyager 2 spacecraft, and is a composite of images taken through blue, green and orange filters. The false color and extreme contrast enhancement in the image on the right, brings out subtle details in the polar region of Uranus. The very slight contrasts visible in true color are greatly exaggerated here, making it easier to studying Uranus' cloud structure.

Here, Uranus reveals a dark polar hood surrounded by a series of progressively lighter concentric bands. One possible explanation is that a brownish haze or smog, concentrated over the pole, is arranged into bands by zonal motions of the upper atmosphere.


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This is 'us' to the computer (in wavelengths of 10/1,000,000,000 hertz):
Since the primary source of infrared radiation is heat or thermal radiation, any object which has a temperature radiates in the infrared. Even objects that we think of as being very cold, such as an ice cube, emit infrared.

The image shows a cat in the infrared. The orange areas are the warmest and the white-blue areas are the coldest. This image gives us a different view of a familiar animal as well as information that we could not get from a visible light picture.

When an object is not quite hot enough to radiate visible light, it will emit most of its energy in the infrared. For example, hot charcoal may not give off light but it does emit infrared radiation which we feel as heat. The warmer the object, the more infrared radiation it emits. This image shows a man holding up a lighted match! Which parts of this image do you think have the warmest temperature? How does the temperature of this man's glasses compare to the temperature of his hand?


Humans, at normal body temperature, radiate most strongly in the infrared at a wavelength of about 10 microns. (A micron is the term commonly used in astronomy for a micrometer or one millionth of a meter). Thats small enough for it to feel like flesh, right?

WTF???? It really does depend on how you look at it!
Instruments on board satellites can also take pictures of things in space. The image below of the center region of our galaxy was taken by IRAS. The hazy, horizontal S-shaped feature that crosses the image is faint heat emitted by dust in the plane of the Solar System


Humans may not be able to see infrared light, but did you know that snakes in the pit viper family, like rattlesnakes, have sensory "pits", which are used to image infrared light?

This allows the snake to detect warm blooded animals, even in dark burrows! Snakes with 2 sensory pits are even thought to have some depth perception in the infrared!

Arrow Does that look like a Death Star for the new Millenium or what?
Many things besides people and animals emit infrared light - the Earth, the Sun, and far away things like stars and galaxies do also!
For a view from Earth orbit, whether we are looking out into space or down at Earth, we can use instruments on board satellites.

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What do gamma-rays "show" us?
Gamma-rays have the smallest wavelengths and the most energy of any other wave in the electromagnetic spectrum.
These waves are generated by radioactive atoms and in nuclear explosions. Gamma-rays can kill living cells, a fact which medicine uses to its advantage, using gamma-rays to kill cancerous cells.

How do we "see" using gamma-ray light?
Gamma-rays travel to us across vast distances of the universe, only to be absorbed by the Earth's atmosphere.
Different wavelengths of light penetrate the Earth's atmosphere to different depths. Instruments aboard high-altitude balloons and satellites like the Compton Observatory provide our only view of the gamma-ray sky.

Gamma-rays are the most energetic form of light and are produced by the hottest regions of the universe.
They are also produced by such violent events as supernova explosions or the destruction of atoms, and by less dramatic events, such as the decay of radioactive material in space. Things like supernova explosions (the way massive stars die), neutron stars and pulsars, and black holes are all sources of celestial gamma-rays.

Gamma-ray astronomy did not develop until it was possible to get our detectors above all or most of the atmosphere, using balloons or spacecraft. The first gamma-ray telescope, carried into orbit on the Explorer XI satellite in 1961, picked up fewer than 100 cosmic gamma-ray photons!

Unlike optical light and X-rays, gamma rays cannot be captured and reflected in mirrors. The high-energy photons would pass right through such a device.
Gamma-ray telescopes use a process called Compton scattering, Arrow where a gamma-ray strikes an electron and loses energy, similar to a cue ball Shocked striking an eight ball. Evil or Very Mad Confused If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar. Mad Sad
The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible.
In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET.
Satellites like GOES 6 and Landsat 7 look at the Earth. Special sensors, like those aboard the Landsat 7 satellite, record data about the amount of infrared light reflected or emitted from the Earth's surface.
:roll: Embarassed Crying or Very sad Laughing Surprised Wink Idea
Really? Unfamiliar? Except for all these images that always looked to me like they could have come out of a petri dish with an electron microscope. And we have to 'bombard electrons' with neutron 'bullets' of some kind to what look at gamma rays??
HELLO?? McFly?? 'Like a pool table full of ivory balls breaking' that never stops??? Shocked AND WE WONDER why our view of the universe appears to be VIOLENT?
If thats our "best view" then maybe we should look elsewhere? I know, I know...thanks.)


Essentially a "wall" of data, no matter what we see or how we think we are not primary to spirit, what we "see" is data in "thoughtform" of the "god of our wireless matrix" sense.
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This keeps reminding me of an egg hatching thru its shell under a light.
Thanks again for your post! You do nice work. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Symmetics Reply with quote

DrewTerry wrote:

1. "Tree of Life" (a.k.a. Jacob's Ladder)
Numbered from 0-9, then (I believe) is not 10 but is the "abyss" or the point one would transcend to the next level (up to the next higher ladder set). To do that is to go into the 'abyss' which is a leap of faith that the top where you leap into the abyss becomes the bottom "0" of the next level. That's why it is 0-9 not 10. Also why I believe we are taught to be fixated on the decimal (base 10) number system, as it forces us to DROP the 0 as the first number.

It has always been considered the first in the series of every ancient numbering math system I have studied. I posted elsewhere about the easily overlooked simple fact that if we were to start with 0, not 1, then the number 12 is really the 13th digit all without changing anything to the numbering system.

I feel that 13 is far more significant than the number 12, which makes sense if you consider your
(9+4) = 13 = (1+3) = 4 (Dimensions, corners of the earth, etc.)
as well as
13x2=26 letters x 10 = 260 different cell types in the human body.


This fits with what I'm talking about, baseten has ten characters 0 - 1 -2 - 3 - 4 -5 -6 -7 -8 -9,
but the zero and the nine perform the same function, they are both the same, so its still
a baseten system (ten characters), but there are only eight numbers. I also like what you
said about the 0 beng surrounded by the 12 making a total of 13, that exactly relates to
a pattern I see in the way our baseten system works. (I'll explain another time).

Thanks Drew, theres a lot there which I had'nt noticed.

DrewTerry wrote:

3. The Syndex
This is A-1 First Class deception - I cannot believe it! They are (in my perception) trying to extol the 'synergies and symmetries' by extoling the virtues of the base 10 system, methinks before too many start to look at say base 20 (much easier) which would reveal the true nature of our base 10 - which is HALF. (1 | 0)

There really is no base 10, at least not before the Romans invented it, and we all know where they got their motivation.



I dont understand, the romans were slow to adopt the arabic numerals (baseten)
because the roman numeral system was basically a system of control, i.e. it
was a calculating method which could handle the needs of the elite, so why
change over to a system that potentially gave everyone the same calculating
capability as the wealthy?? They reluctanlty changed to the arabic numererals,
in fact the catholic church outlawed the use of the zero, this is where you get
imagery of secrecy associated with the word Cipher.. it was supressed.

Arabic numerals are probably our first counting system, maybe even preceeding
our first language, Baseten is a representation of our five digits per
hand, there are ten characters in the baseten, so anything more than baseten
is still using those ten characters. I'm anything but an expert on this, but
if you've got some worthwile information on this Base 20 system, post it here.

Anyway, as I pointed out a few times now, I'm convinced that there is only
Eight real numbers in Baseten, corresponding to our eight fingers, then the two
thumbs are like the zero phase reflection point, zero and nine being the same.

Then when It got down to it, I found it was actually a Trinary system, call
the numbers whatever you like, the functions are Off-On-Nuetral. So we've
gone from talking about baseten as an octave system, to seeing an underlying
trinary (basethree) system.

DrewTerry wrote:

.......
Not only that, but if you read below I have highlighted the areas which seem to me trying just a little too hard to 'sell' you on the 'beauty and simplicity' of the base 10, which they time and time again bring back around IN PERPETUITY. They are using this also to try and morph the solar system of Earth, and our addiction to the 365 day year which means nothing except for agriculture AND tax payments AND years IN PERPETUITY. Now that it will be more and more obvious that our evolution of as a solar system will gradually become more focused on the orbit our entire solar system is in around the galactic center people will start to realize that next year is NOT the same as last year - far from it. It takes 250 million of our years to orbit the galactic center once - essentially, the galactic year = 250 million Earth years, or when we have evolved to that level we will experience 250 million years as the equivalent of 1 year. (We will all have new space suits by then and naps will be 1 million years minimum so not to worry! )


LOL, Your making some good points DrewT, but when you say IN PERPETUITY, I think
your missing out on a key aspect of this Syndex work, which is the spiral
as being a flat representation of a helix, the helix goes around in the
same cycle, but has progressed every time it completes a cycle. It moves
forward in time in other words, this is what this Syndex stuff means IMO,
the flat '2D' spiral is the easiest way to describe what is really a helix.

Personally I think you're being too quick to judge this Syndex work DrewT,
but debating this one book is'nt a good idea for this thread, I'll be happy
to disscuss it in another thread. I really posted it for that one page which
had tonns of nines in it. But like you, I don't agree with a lot of his conclusions
about number too, but it's the patterns in numbers which interested me. You
know yourself, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Wink

The 9-11 basewave, the reflection patterns and the palindromes/transpalindromes
are all just descriptions of some of the most basic and easily demonstrateable
patterns in numbers.....which arent even recognised by 'number theorists' LOL ....
all of which are topics in and of themselves.

DrewTerry wrote:

I don't doubt that Mr. Fuller would have been excited about what they showed him before he passed away, but something tells me that he would smell a rat with these guys now.

Just0 - what does Bucky tell you in your dreams?


LOL, no need to dream this stuff up Drew.

I agree that it all sounds a bit nutty Smile , but if the informaion checks out, then it works
fine for me, we've all got strange quirks in our ways of communicating. So why would this guy be
any different, sometimes its a good idea to look past the phrases/words, and see if you can get an
idea of what it means for yourself.

Fuller's work in synergetics actually backs this book up, in fact Syndex is just a progression
of the numerology work which Fuller explored, Syndex was inspired by the numerology section
IN Synergetics and logically leads on from the work in it, check it out for yourself. http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s12/toc12.html

Thanks for raising some good points DrewT, you picked up on loadsa stuff in this Syndex book which
I would've never thought of Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Base 20+ Reply with quote

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LOL, no need to dream this stuff up Drew.

I agree that it all sounds a bit nutty , but if the informaion checks out, then it works fine for me, we've all got strange quirks in our ways of communicating. So why would this guy be any different, sometimes its a good idea to look past the phrases/words, and see if you can get an idea of what it means for yourself.

Whoooaaa!! My fault - I am sorry. My apologies...not cool.
When I asked about "Bucky in your dreams" I WAS NOT making fun of anyone or anything.......Really, seriously, it was a sincere question but I completely understand your inclination to take it the other way - I certainly did not clarify that, sorry again....
Wink Cool

I don't get as vivid dreams as other people I know but it IS REAL! Dreams are real, all of the stuff that we are told is not - is. And vice versa. Thats why everything is so ass backwards in the world and so many people seem oblivious to it. I don't care what anyone thinks or says or doesn't say about any of what I think, feel or know or don't, as long as we have rights to believe...it is none of my business, really, and I am sorry you took it the wrong way. I had a weird feeling as I typed it that it might not be read that way I intended, but I kept it anyway figuring you would tell me if you misunderstood. So thank you for letting me know. I appreciate your clarify for my benefit.

Overall, whats not my headache is not my problem to make my issue; I know what I know is nothing to debate because I am sure - I feel the people who are most interested in debating are trying to convince themselves (and I used to be Republican so I have had plenty of experience), not science, or religion, just trusting your own feelings and the ways in which we are subject to whims and all kinds of notions...got to be coming from somewhere, right? If anyone has ever had any sort of consciousness experience such as any sort of esp, or death of someone that you knew about well before anyone called (most likely coinciding with the exact moment of incident no matter where on earth one happened to be at the time) then you know what I mean...it is as it is. So, ultimately, I did not mean to offend you and apologize for not being clear. Sarcasm does not always come across well on paper, and if you heard the voices in my head...well, then.....
....... it seemed like a good idea at the time, Officer!

just0 wrote:
Personally I think you're being too quick to judge this Syndex work DrewT, but debating this one book is'nt a good idea for this thread, I'll be happy to disscuss it in another thread. I really posted it for that one page which had tonns of nines in it. But like you, I don't agree with a lot of his conclusions about number too, but it's the patterns in numbers which interested me. You know yourself, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.


It's not an indictment - nor is it a reflection on you at all. I am just telling how I felt about it. To make you aware of it, thats all. I am sorry if that was too harsh but I had some very overwhelming feelings the more I lingered on that site. It just felt 'dirty' in the way they were trying to be so 'convincing' like selling something...that you don't need and didn't ask for but "if you buy five more you get a coupon book for as free trip to Hawaii! (just sign here - we'll bill you later)" :roll: I am hypersensitive to it especially since Fintan because I am that much more confident in knowing I don't need conscious knowing to just know which way to go...

The flavor I got from the Syndex site is simply my overwhelming feeling that came over me as I started to read through it. I can't explain it other than I go by my gut now more than ever before but it is not to say 'right or wrong' but to identify how I feel.

If I make you aware of that, then you don't have to wonder about how I feel and can interpret future comments - or at least to know I will say what I feel and not hide it. I felt what I wrote and did not communicate that, the 'feeling' is still there - within me, and resonating to everyone who reads this with some (like yourself) feeling the contradiction that would be inherent in 1) what I wrote and 2) how I really feel which is contrary to what I wrote; and 3) saying nothing is not polite or helpful to anyone because if I make comments and that means I read the material, and said nothing negative but stuck to the positive, but you find out later on that I feel differently you might feel like you were misled in what I appeared to support and what I truly felt, all because I didn't say anything because I didn't want to hurt someones feelings by beiing honest in how I feel.

We end up hurting ourselves every time, plus not helping those we tend to want to support the most. And every time things don't work out and we don't know why we are literally in the dark. So I am making an effort to be open and explain in as much detail as anyone needs what I am doing differently - if only to be consistent and not a hypocrite. And who knows? I know that I have to try and thats the best I can do...


just0 wrote:
I dont understand, the romans were slow to adopt the arabic numerals (baseten) because the roman numeral system was basically a system of control, i.e. it was a calculating method which could handle the needs of the elite, so why change over to a system that potentially gave everyone the same calculating capability as the wealthy??

Precisely. What we 'know' about base ten is only due to the virtues extolled ad nasuem, which is what they were taught, and so on and so on..."until the legend becomes fact? Print the legend." by John Ford, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence.

What we have now is a reflection of the ongoing refusal to allow the "serfs to own the land."

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They reluctanlty changed to the arabic numererals, in fact the catholic church outlawed the use of the zero, this is where you get imagery of secrecy associated with the word Cipher.. it was supressed.
I feel it is most likely they outlawed zero because they didn't want people to understand what they knew would mean knowledge, less power and control over the people. I assume that when I get a strange feeling or I am dealing with something that is just ass backwards, and if it had anything to do with religion or government or history before 1600's then it is not even wrong - but meant to keep our attention confounded on one impossible puzzle after another.

Until we wake up enough to look up and start laughing Laughing because lets face it - we need them, they don't need to 'sell' us on the rest of the universe, is anyone else shopping alternative universes? I am ready to go, but if we don't wave and tell them that, they will just keep watching, as always. (I believe)

I wil let you know when I get some more of the math stuff together about base 20 but I have no doubt it will make sense. Can I send you an email? Thanks again, and no hurt feelings I hope! Drew.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, no need to apologise Dude, you didn't offend me, as i'm shure
you know, this has nothing to do with me (none of it's my work).
Theres no me involved in whats being discussed here, just a
culmination of thoughts from all the amazing people around here,
we're all here, hopefully, to make some progress on these issues.

So when you gave your opinions of that link above, you were being
very helpful and I love your insights, but I have to address the parts
which I dont understand completely, it doesnt mean I have something
against you or your outlook, I'm just a bit slow on the uptake thats all. Confused

And like you say, its good to say how you feel about certain things,
in my own personal experience, being overwhelmed by certain feelings
often means that theres a blockage closeby, and by facing up to, and
trying to honestly understand whatever it was that caused that block,
theres a pretty good chance that I can gain something from it.

It's the same principle that works for those power trippin' bullies, you
know out torturing the world with their own pychosis, understand them a
bit better and they're not so scary, in fact you might even feel sorry for
the poor buggers. Smile (they really are poor BTW)

So back to the thread, keep the info coming Drew, I'm really interested in
this Base20 and I'm shure you have some maya number glyphs that could
help too. e-mailing and posting in here would be great.

Oh yeah, no hard feelings... Very Happy
and while we're at it, no hard ideas, no hard substances, no hard particles, no solids,...
In fact (grab your surfboard) it's all waves Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Where is infinity? Reply with quote

just0: THANK YOU, AGREED (1 + Infinity%)!

You really got me obsessed with finding infinity - I hope it doesn't take forever...Laughing
just0 wrote:
LOL, Your making some good points DrewT, but when you say IN PERPETUITY, I think your missing out on a key aspect of this Syndex work,

1. Maybe (two sides of the same coin), or

duality of (appearance + reflection) + (matter in space) + (space in frequency) +(duration in time) =

how we can all see reflections of the same source but with similarities & differences that appear real but reflections of the same (mobius) strip = growth in evolution : as ever growing circles in the helix / spiral that does not 'stop' but on paper

2. It also now seems too that pi must repeat forever ONLY ON PAPER as an approximation of an irrational impossibility;

For we now "know" that for a circle to "repeat" and come back to the same point, it would have to be "literally motionless" which in a world of matter IN motion is not possible (now) : that is what pi approximates : the motionless 'perfect spiral' that in our 3 dimensions keeps going and going in a spiral; we simulate with pi what it 'would' be, and so it 'appears' to return to the same 'point' and 'rejoin' the circle.

Technically only possible if we were limited to two dimensions, which is what we simulate with pencil + paper. I think.

3. Have you read the book "Mystery of the Aleph" by amir d. aczel (copyright 2005 B&N: ISBN#0-7607-7778-0); subtitle Mathematics, Kabbalah, and the Search for Infinity?

just0 wrote:
which is the spiral as being a flat representation of a helix, the helix goes around in the same cycle, but has (NOT Actually but APPEARS to have) progressed every time it completes a cycle.
It moves forward in time in other words, this is what this Syndex stuff means IMO, the flat '2D' spiral is the easiest way to describe what is really a helix.


Right - and it seems to me they are overly emphasizing the 2-D spiral idea, to encourage people away from ideas that they are afraid will be a threat to their 'power and control' that are exercised throughout the world by everything we see coming together more and more today, by our paying attention due to the information propagation allowing for the acceleration of the aspects of creation to be actuating in experience collectively having the effect of the rate at which evolution progresses in a linear cause & effect action & reaction based on infinite similarities and differences is rapidly approaching the point of the limit of infinity, whereupon we transcend to the olther dimensional point of view;

drew wrote:
We always say the old cliche that its "just a matter of time" doesn't mean that we are immune; self-deception and the blindfolds are just natural human responses (cause and effect) but not the same cause has the same effect, as evolution shows over and over and over, to what seems like infinity WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO MEASURE THE UNIVERSE LOOKING FIRST INTO A MIRROR.

Of course it is going to look Generally Relative to where we are but if we IMAGINE we are OUT THERE in the MIRROR, a SPECIALIZED contruct of our mind that seems real RELATIVE to this POINT IN TIME and APPEARS to be dimensional but contradictorily goes on forever; tricky treats.


Question: Have you or Fintan or anyone else been thinking of the MIRROR as being ZERO? Thats what I keep thinking since this evening, so if I read that somewhere I apoloigize - but on TreeIncarnation.com it still says o cubed for the I/O sphere.

I feel pretty certain for no particular reason 0 is the mirror.

What else could it be? Considering it is the:

1. In math, the reflexive identity, but not additive identity, except in reflection.

2. It is "not even 1" in Latin (Greek?) which we take literally to mean quantity "not even of 1" assuming some quantity to measure because we assume the zero is as we use it mathematically; think about who has been largely responsible for shaping our "knowledge" about zero (along with the rest of the books we now know as more hysterical than historical, at least for accuracy;

metaphorically "not even 1" could mean:

"not even 1, but it sure as hell looked like me (I was chasing when I hit the mirror wall"

or

"Are you sure she is a prostitute, Officer? She looks just like my girlfriend."

OR

"Trying to measure anything in a mirror it would appear as if to infinity; but if only we could fly into the mirror and measure it, then we could prove what we already know to be less than 1."

Arrow Now we just gotta get that plasma gamma hydro nuclear fusion fission carbon dinotractasaurus flypaper jalopy fired up and take the gazillion mile lightyear not lightspeed but take forever trip, and go measure it. We'll be back as soon as we can get close enough to the mirror to bounce off and fall back to earth.

I'll have to add more later - thanks! Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrewTerry wrote:
Have you or Fintan or anyone else been thinking of the MIRROR as being ZERO? Thats what I keep thinking since this evening, so if I read that somewhere I apoloigize


Spot on Drew, this is what I was trying to get at in the previous posts.
The zero-nine phase in numbers is the reflection point. (It's actually the
12 around '0' too) I'm finding that even tho some ancient cultures didn't
use the zero, they were not missing out on anything, they already had the
nine, they knew it performed the same function as the zero.

Again, Fullers got it laid out very well ...

Quote:
1012.10 Positive-Negative Wave Pattern: Both the gravitational and the radiational effects operate exclusively in respect to and through the nucleus, whose unique domains multiply in eighths. Completion of the absolute initial uniqueness of pattern evolution of the nucleus itself brings in the nine as nothingness. How does this happen?
1012.11 Let us take three balls arranged in a triangle. We then take two other uniradius tangent balls lying in the same plane and address them symmetrically to any one corner-ball of the first three so that we have two rows of three balls crossing one another with one ball centrally common to both three-ball lines; so that we have two symmetrically arrayed triangles with one common corner. Obviously the center ball__like a railway switch__has to serve alternately either one three-ball track or the other, but never both at the same time, which would cause a smash-up. If we do the same thing four-dimensionally for the eight tetrahedra of the vector equilibrium, we find that the nuclear center ball is accommodating any one or any pair of the eight tetrahedra and is interconnecting them all. Externally, the eight tetrahedra's 24 vertexes share 12 points; internally, their eight vertexes share one point. The common center ball, being two-in-one (unity two), can be used for a pulse or a space; for an integer or a zero. The one active nucleus is the key to the binary yes-no of the invisible transistor circuitry.
1012.12 As in the 92-ball, three-frequency vector equilibrium, there are four balls to an edge going point to point with a three-space, F3, in between them. An edge of the four ball could belong either to the adjacent square or to the adjacent triangle. It cannot belong to either exclusively, and it cannot belong to them both simultaneously; it can function for either on modulated-frequency scheduling. It is like our chemical bonding, bivalent, where we get edge-to-common-edgeness.
1012.13 As shown in Numerology (Sec. 1223), when we begin to follow through the sequences of wave patterning, we discover this frequency modulation capability permeating the "Indig's" octave system of four positive, four negative, and zero nine. (See drawings section.)
Indigs of Numerology:
1 = + 1..........10 = + 1.........19 = + 1
2 = + 2..........11 = + 2.........20 = + 2
3 = + 3..........12 = + 3.........21 = + 3
4 = + 4..........13 = +4..........22 = + 4
5 = - 4...........14 = - 4..........23 = - 4
6 = - 3...........15 = - 3..........24 = - 3
7 = - 2...........16 = - 2..........25 = - 2
8 = - 1...........17 = - 1..........26 = - 1
9 = 0.............18 = 0............27 = 0 Etc., etc.



1012.14 Applying the Indig-Numerology to the multiplication tables, this wave phenomenon reappears dramatically, with each integer having a unique operational effect on other integers. For instance, you look at the total multiplication patterns of the prime numbers three and five and find that they make a regular X. The foumess ( = + 4) and the fiveness ( = - 4) are at the positive-negative oscillation center; they decrease and then increase on the other side where the two triangles come together with a common center in bow-tie form. You find that the sequences of octaves are so arranged that the common ball can be either number eight or it could be zero or it could be one. That is, it makes it possible for waves to run through waves without having interference of waves. (See drawings section.)

Fig. 1012.15 1012.15 Each ball can always have a neutral function among these aggregates. It is a nuclear ball whether it is in a planar array or in an omnidirectional array. It has a function in each of the two adjacent systems which performs like bonding. This is the single energy- transformative effect on closest-packed spheres which, with the arhythmical sphere -space -space -sphere -space -space__suggests identity with the neutron-proton interchangeable functioning.

This "space - space - sphere" pattern can be easily seen in closest packed arrays, It's this "off - off - on" pattern thats coming up in the third powering (cubing) of numbers, I laid it out in a previous post, it's this trinary pattern of 0, 1, 8, again.

1012.16 The vector equilibrium as the prime convergence-divergence, i.e., gravity- radiation nucleus, provides the nuclear nothingness, the zero point where waves can go through waves without interfering with other waves. The waves are accommodated by the zeroness, by the octave of four positive and four negative phasings, and by a nuclear terminal inside-outing and a unique pattern-limit terminal outside-inning. But there are two kinds of positives and negatives: an inside-outing and an arounding. These are the additive twoness and the multiplicative twoness. The central ball then is an inside-outness and has its poles so it can accommodate either as a zeroness a wave that might go around it or go through it, without breaking up the fundamental resonance of the octaves.
1012.20 Pumping Model: The center ball of a vector equilibrium is zero. The frequency is zero, just as in the first layer the frequency is one. So zero times ten is zero; to the second power is zero; plus two is two. So the center ball has a value of two. The significance is that it has its concave and its convex. It has both insideness and outsideness congruently. It is as far as you can go. You turn yourself inside out and go in the other direction again. This is a terminal condition.
1012.21 We have then a tetrahedron that has an external and an internal: a terminal condition. Gravity converts to radiation. This is exactly why, in physics, Einstein's supposition is correct regarding the conservation of Universe: it turns around at both the maximum of expansion and the minimum of contraction, because there is clearly provided a limit and its mathematical accommodation at which it turns itself inside out.
1012.22 You get to the outside and you turn yourself outside-in; you come to the center and turn yourself inside-out. This is why radiation does not go to higher velocity. Radiation gets to a maximum and then turns itself inwardly again__it becomes gravity. Then gravity goes to its maximum concentration and turns itself and goes outwardly, becomes radiation. The zero nineness-nucleus provides the means.
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s10/p1000.html#1012.11


This is the same "zero-nine" turning point which turns up in the wave
structure of matter, the in waves reach the terminal condition and turn
inside-out (720degrees) and become the outwaves.


Anyway, more later I spose Wink

And maybe its a good idea to rename Infinity, eternaty, that
way you know theres no point in actually trying to look for and measuer
something thats infinite.....instead, it's eternal and its always gonna be here LOL

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prime Matter Demo

http://continuitystudios.net/prime.html


New Model of the Universe

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html
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marlin wrote:
Prime Matter Demo

http://continuitystudios.net/prime.html

New Model of the Universe

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html


Arrow Well worth more time to review...thank you, Marlin! Smile

I found this at one of the two sites above; I've not heard about this guy before:
Quote:
http://www.nealadams.com/discuss.html

A. Michaelson and Morley try to prove the existence of ether. They proved the opposite cause light speed doesn't change as Earth goes toward or away from the sun, which made them sad and changed our whole view of the universe. But what if they made a simple mistake? An unknown as yet fact they could not take into account.

Now we know that Earth has a full-out-into-space electromagnetic field. If prime matter, or dark matter or 'ether' is affected electromagnetically then Earth can easily carry its own pod of prime matter! And if light doesn't travel in a vacuum but within prime matter, then light will adjust its speed within that field. To always be light speed within that field. Now what should Michaelson and Morley's conclusion be? Everything would change! Or, is ether dark matter, and is dark matter prime matter? Is Einstein wrong about time, space and the speed of light?

I'm afraid he is, but he started with bad information. It was a waste of his, and our, time.

B. Carl David Anderson, the youngest man to win the Nobel prize was 1. First to observe (the trails of) cosmic rays and 2. The first to discover that, listen now, matter can be created out of nothing! That's in 1932!

In his experiment: A cosmic ray strikes nothing, and creates a positron and an electron. The electron is an electron. (Incredible!) But the positron is not a proton. It has the same energy as the proton but it is 1998 times smaller. (The size of an electron) Worse, a positron seeks out an electron and destroys it within a nanosecond.

And so the field of science makes it's biggest mistake in history, in my opinion, it calls the positron anti-matter. And our understanding of how matter begins to be made is lost forever. (Well, till now.)


What if I could prove to you, Mikael and the world that a positron is a primitive (unprocessed) proton. And if I join that proton with the (an) electron we have hydrogen. How far is that from making a Universe. No distance at all. Let me give you another real piece of the puzzle.

Question: Why is the hydrogen atom the only atom that has no neutron?

Answer: A hydrogen atom IS a neutron.


(© Neal Adams June 11, 2003)
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marlin wrote:
Prime Matter Demo

http://continuitystudios.net/prime.html


New Model of the Universe

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html


Thanks marlin.

Neals take on cosmology makes a lot of sense,
it's funny that we don't see the most obvious things
until someone points them out....then it's like, duh Laughing

Neal was on C2C awhile back:

Hour2

Hour3

Hour4


You know, his expanding earth models remind of this image from Fintan's
latest Treeincarnation audio Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:21 am    Post subject: 0 1 2 Reply with quote

0 1 2

This issue of 0 "to the power of" came up in a conversation with Just0.

Where it seems to be at now is this:

0 squared = 2
0 cubed = 1

Of course what we are talking about here is the fundamental
underlying structure of these three basic elemental entities.

0 squared = 2 is a statement of the unity factor of reality.
0 cubed =1 is a statement of the identity factor of reality.

Eye-dentity = me.
You-nity = us in relationship.
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