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John Muir



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan,

So, just what is your take on the testimony of Dr. MacArthur? Are you saying that this testimony is part of a CIA plot?
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MichaelC



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.rense.com/ufo4/manmade.htm

Rense.com seems to indeed by a CIA fake. Above is just one example of the dis-info they spread.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John Muir: Cantwell can be CIA and yet it can still be true that
AIDS/HIV is a biowarfare agent.


The key point I am trying to get across is that it doesn't matter what
tall tales are told, the science shows HIV is incapable as a biowar agent.

For there to be any truth to the AIDs Biowar story, it would have to be
clear to us and established scientifically that:

1 ) HIV is Fatal.
2 ) HIV is Infectious.
3 ) Therefore it may have been a biowar creation.

Let's see:

1 ) HIV is Fatal.

Yeah, but with a "latency" period before you get "full-blown" AIDS.
These medical notions should already be a warning sign to you that
something is screwy. Dr. David Ho thorized that HIV was fighting the
immune system for years before it succumbed. However, the research
shows that model was wrong and that HIV is ineffective as a killer of
the key T-Cells.

Then there are the permanently asymptomatic HIV+ people. And those
diagnosed HIV+ who avoided the drugs and cleaned up their metabolism.
Both of these show that HIV is not the real problem. Metabolic collapse
and the use of cytotoxic chemotherapeutic drugs at high doses are the
real killers.


2 ) HIV is Infectious.

Studty after study have shown the reverse. Famously, Padian et al, in
which it was shown an "infected" person cannot pass the "infection" to a
sexual partner. But epidemiologically we know that infection is impossible,
otherwise the dire predictions of half of humanity being killed off would
have come true. Check out college campuses. The rise in STD's has not
been accompanied by college campus heterosexuals dying in vast numbers.

Nope. In the West, it's intravenous drug users dying, and it's the legal and
illegal drugs that are killing them. In one study, they gave 'em clean
fresh needles and the mortality went up! So much for the theory of
transmission by dirty neeedles.

In the developing world, it's the malnourished and those in putrid sanitary
conditions that are dying. Of pneumonias relabelled as AIDS.

The classic case is that of the haemophilliacs who supposedly contracted
the virus from blood products. Those blood products had been freeze-
dried and heat-treated, by the way. Which destroys the delicate lipid
envelope around the virus along with the GP120 it needs to infect cells.
Thus no infection was possible.

So what did they really die of? The blood products had been concentrated
from blood donated by thousands of people. When the haemophilliacs
were injected with it, their immune systems went nuts reacting to the
thousands of "foreign body" parts in the transfusions.

HIV is in the human genome of over 95% of the population.

It is only expressed when the metabolism is collapsing.

A side-effect -not a cause.


3 ) Therefore it may have been a biowar creation.

Lacking infectivity, lacking mortal consequence, HIV is merely a total
catastrophe of vested interest, pharmaceutical madness, social
scapegoating, legal and illegal drugs, and PsyWar.


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Nat



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan wrote:
HIV is in the human genome of over 95% of the population.

...didn't South Park do a song called "everyone's got AIDS" ? Shocked
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John Muir



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't think that the point of view that the disease is "invective and not infective" squares with whats going on in Africa or Asia. How does your view explain the massive AIDS/HIV problem in these areas?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can think of one motive for the situation as sold: famine and horrendous interest payments might arouse guilt on the part of the bloated unhealthy 'developed' world, but aid$ ? well, that's 'their fault'
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John Muir:I just don't think that the point of view that the disease is "invective and not infective" squares with whats going on in Africa or Asia. How does your view explain the massive AIDS/HIV problem in these areas?


Try Here: (there's LOTS more) Wink

Quote:
http://www.healtoronto.com/

http://healtoronto.com/africa.html

Most Africans who qualify for an
AIDS diagnosis test HIV-negative


227 patients with "AIDS": 59% test HIV-negative

Lancet 340, p971, 1992

122 patients with "AIDS": 69% test HIV-negative

Am. Rev. Resp. Diseases 147, p958, 1993

913 patients with "AIDS": 71% test HIV-negative

J. AIDS 7:8, p876, 1994

INVENTING AN EPIDEMIC

By Tom Bethell The American Spectator, April 2000

An "African AIDS" primer: Here is the key point that the newspapers won't tell you. To diagnose AIDS in Africa, no HIV test is needed. The presence of the unifying agent that supposedly causes the immune deficiency, the ID of AIDS, does not have to be established. In October 1985, public health officials at a conference in Bangui, a city in the Central African Republic, established the "Bangui definition" of AIDS. Here are the major components of the definition: "prolonged fevers (for a month or more), weight loss of 10 percent or greater, and prolonged diarrhea." No HIV test required. What this meant was that many traditional African diseases, pandemic in poverty stricken areas with tropical climate, open latrines and contaminated drinking water, could be called something else with no fear of contradiction: AIDS.
http://healtoronto.com/africatb.html


Are 26 million Africans dying of AIDS?

- "the biggest lie of the century" under fire

1st December is "World Aids Day". In the run-up to it, the Aids Establishment has been issuing some dubious figures about a "pandemic" of Aids in Africa. But how accurate are these figures? One African doctor calls it "the biggest lie of the century". Joan Shenton, the award-winning British TV producer and journalist says "it's all bad science". Fortunately, the evidence on the ground in Africa so far doesn't support the "pandemic" figures.

Baffour Ankomah reports.
http://healtoronto.com/namillions.html

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John Muir



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow!! Well I am now having to rethink a thing or two here about AIDS/HIV. I still find Dr. MacArthurs testimony compelling. I must admit. I have always thought that all STD's are over-hyped by the birth control crowd.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John Muir



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan,

What is your take on the testimony of Dr. MacArthur? I think that the findings of Lancet and the like can also be interpereted as being an effort to cover-up the use of AIDS/HIV as a weapon of genocide. Your thoughts?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't haemophilliacs also take immunosupressive drugs as part of their treatment

What I really love is the bullshit about being 'HIV-positive'.

Even is this was a dangerous virus - which is not(i.e., if it even exists) - doesn't the presence of antibodies confer immunity?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The timing of this contradictory information is whats of interest to me. It can be integrated into the view that its part of a cover up. The information points to there being a racially specific bioweapon being used. Especially when you consider that fact that South Africa was invovled in wars in the areas of Africa that are most effected by the disease. There are alot of NAZI's in South Africa. These are people who definately have a Modus Operandi of Genocide.
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